Neutronium

[Braden Campbell]

How come there aren't any existing civilization that can make use of this material to built their vessels?

Probably because to actually manufacture this stuff, one would need a foundry that could replicate the conditions found in the heart of a neutron star.


Also, its no fun to game in a universe where everything is indestructible...

[KLM]

I would allow a really thin layer of neutronium to be used
in AM reactors.

Otherwise, having a neutronium hull (in DS9 several
cardassian buildings had it) does not mean that the
starship is indestructible.

I just takes a bigger hammer, to say so, ie. pump enough
energy into the hull, untill the explosions smear the crew
on the interior walls, and then melt the remains - and the
result is an intact neutronium hull, filled with ashes and
smoke.

Adios
KLM

[KLM]

Hehe... Eat the Gakh smiling.

Adios
KLM

[KLM]

Nah... It would not be Evil Overlord-like behaviour.

Clearly against rule Nr. 4.

http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

Adios
KLM

[Nekira Sudacne]

Hehe... Eat the Gakh smiling.

Adios
KLM

Hmm... how spray-painting their entire ship in instant-dry neutronium so they can't get anything out. Then you can tow the ship to the nearest black hole and leave them where the black hole's gravity well is just effective.

This way they can see their own eventual doom......

because there's no civilization to ever exsist in the three galaxies that could possibly turn nutronium into a gasous spray. for that matter, having that much nutronium on board would just sink your own ship.

[taalismn]

Otherwise, having a neutronium hull (in DS9 several
cardassian buildings had it) does not mean that the
starship is indestructible.

I still laugh when I see that episode...

REAL neutronium probably is so heavy and intensely compacted that it would start evaporating under conditions less than the compacting gravity of a neutron star...your invincible building of neutronium, provided it wasn't emitting enough heat and radiation to fry you, would probably explode on you...

That having been said, it would take god-like tech to do anything other than shape and lob neutronium 'shells' at targets....neutronium-hulled ships either have powerful forcefields holding them together, or the inhabitants bear little to no resemblance to normal carbon-based life as we know it...Think of the 'Xylee' from Tim Baxter's novels or other truly exotic alien lifeforms...

Any sort of neutronium-manipulation/synthesis/shaping technology wuld be VERY hot stuff in the THree Galaxies, and would start wars...Of course, every good galactic con-man has heard of, or thought of, at least one good 'neutronium scam' involving new proocesses, technologies, or caches of the stuff...

[Carl Gleba]

Otherwise, having a neutronium hull (in DS9 several
cardassian buildings had it) does not mean that the
starship is indestructible.

I still laugh when I see that episode...

Which epsisode of DS9 was that? That must be one of those small details that I missed.

BTW, there is a ship with a neutronium hull. Check out the Artifact on Page 39 of DB 6: Three Galaxies.

Carl

[taalismn]

Otherwise, having a neutronium hull (in DS9 several
cardassian buildings had it) does not mean that the
starship is indestructible.

I still laugh when I see that episode...

Which epsisode of DS9 was that? That must be one of those small details that I missed.

BTW, there is a ship with a neutronium hull. Check out the Artifact on Page 39 of DB 6: Three Galaxies.

Carl

Okay, I forgot about the Artifact...example of supertech just beyond reach...
As for Cardassian neutornium? Second to last episode of the DS( arc....The Cardassian rebels have to blast their way into a Founder command bunker that was reinforced with neutronium.....supertough armor, but they seem to take out the door with a charge of plastique....

[cornholioprime]

Err... I did base this on the other thread that I started, regarding the artifact.

BTW I think it shouldn't be that difficult for one or a few of the Phase World civilisation to harness and manipulate neutronium... I mean, if you can jump into a sun's corona, you probably have enough tech to survive a short trip into the star itself.

Not so fast, Mo Jo Jo Jo!!!

After you get past that Corona, you run into one of the most "solid" Structures in the Universe, the Inner Layers of a Star, which should be ALMOST as dense as NEutronium in their own right.

(It is said that there isn't even enough room for individual Atoms to keep their Electrons.)

You've been watching that Lost in Space Movie again from a few years back, haven't you??

William Hurt (in Movie): "I've got it!! We'll just fly THROUGH the sun!!!"

Me (In Audience):

[Nekira Sudacne]

Err... I did base this on the other thread that I started, regarding the artifact.

BTW I think it shouldn't be that difficult for one or a few of the Phase World civilisation to harness and manipulate neutronium... I mean, if you can jump into a sun's corona, you probably have enough tech to survive a short trip into the star itself.

except there is NO phase world civilization who can go into the coronoa of a star (that i'm aware of)

their technology is NOT that advanced.

the only beings who can, are Cosmo Knights, who are simply impervious to the effects, but they don't really have the means to haul nutronium out.

[Carl Gleba]

Page 14 Anvil Galaxy, under the Third Heresy. Says that a ship was going into the core of a sun to take harmonic reading.

That being said I don't really agree with it. Maybe getting close to the corona with the metaphasic shield from ST or some similar tech yeah, but the core no.

Just keep in mind too, that neutronium should not be a common substance that the player characters would have access to. The Artifact was my fun take on the TOS episode:The Doomsday Machine. I love that episode.

Carl

[cornholioprime]

Page 14 Anvil Galaxy, under the Third Heresy. Says that a ship was going into the core of a sun to take harmonic reading.

That being said I don't really agree with it. Maybe getting close to the corona with the metaphasic shield from ST or some similar tech yeah, but the core no.

Just keep in mind too, that neutronium should not be a common substance that the player characters would have access to. The Artifact was my fun take on the TOS episode:The Doomsday Machine. I love that episode.

Carl

Ah, yes. "the Space Turd" Episode as I called it when I first saw it so very long ago.........

[KLM]

That being said I don't really agree with it. Maybe getting close to the corona with the metaphasic shield from ST or some similar tech yeah, but the core no.
Carl

Err... Out of Phase?

I mean with Phase-tech or Techno-Wizardry it is entirely
just an engineering problem to go into the core of a sun.

Adios
KLM

[KLM]

Or the guy is liquified/fried inside.

Adios
KLM

[Thinyser]

Accoding to wikipedia neutron stars have densities of 8×10^13 to 2×10^15 g/cm³, about the density of an atomic nucleus

so thats between 80000000000000 and 2000000000000000 grams per cubic cemtimeter.
1000 grams makes a kilogram so thats 80000000000 to 2000000000000 kilos per cubic centimeter.
1000 kilos makes a metric tonn. so thats 80,000,000 to 2,000,000,000 per cubic centimeter!

Yes folks thats 80 million to 2 billion metric tonns per cubic centimeter!

a sphere that is 10 CM in diameter would have about 523.6 cubic centimeters of volume and if composed of the stuff of a neutron star would weigh between 41888000000 an 1,047,200,000,000 metric tonns!

Can you imagine a ball the size of a softball that weighs 1 trillion metric tonns?!?!?!?!

The stuff is simply too dense to live near or work with, as even in small amounts it would create massive gravitational fields.

Its simply poor scifi to even think of building with this stuff.

[taalismn]

For a really good treatment of a neutron star, possible life on it, and teh problems of being around neutron stars, don't look to 'Star Trek'...read Robert Forward's 'Dragon's Egg' and its sequel 'Starquake'....great books reminescent of Hal Clement's 'Mesklinite' books.

[Carl Gleba]

Accoding to wikipedia neutron stars have densities of 8×10^13 to 2×10^15 g/cm³, about the density of an atomic nucleus

so thats between 80000000000000 and 2000000000000000 grams per cubic cemtimeter.
1000 grams makes a kilogram so thats 80000000000 to 2000000000000 kilos per cubic centimeter.
1000 kilos makes a metric tonn. so thats 80,000,000 to 2,000,000,000 per cubic centimeter!

Yes folks thats 80 million to 2 billion metric tonns per cubic centimeter!

a sphere that is 10 CM in diameter would have about 523.6 cubic centimeters of volume and if composed of the stuff of a neutron star would weigh between 41888000000 an 1,047,200,000,000 metric tonns!

Can you imagine a ball the size of a softball that weighs 1 trillion metric tonns?!?!?!?!

The stuff is simply too dense to live near or work with, as even in small amounts it would create massive gravitational fields.

Its simply poor scifi to even think of building with this stuff.

Hmm... so what does that make the author who came up with the Artifact?

Crazy

[Thinyser]

Accoding to wikipedia neutron stars have densities of 8×10^13 to 2×10^15 g/cm³, about the density of an atomic nucleus

so thats between 80000000000000 and 2000000000000000 grams per cubic cemtimeter.
1000 grams makes a kilogram so thats 80000000000 to 2000000000000 kilos per cubic centimeter.
1000 kilos makes a metric tonn. so thats 80,000,000 to 2,000,000,000 per cubic centimeter!

Yes folks thats 80 million to 2 billion metric tonns per cubic centimeter!

a sphere that is 10 CM in diameter would have about 523.6 cubic centimeters of volume and if composed of the stuff of a neutron star would weigh between 41888000000 an 1,047,200,000,000 metric tonns!

Can you imagine a ball the size of a softball that weighs 1 trillion metric tonns?!?!?!?!

The stuff is simply too dense to live near or work with, as even in small amounts it would create massive gravitational fields.

Its simply poor scifi to even think of building with this stuff.

Hmm... so what does that make the author who came up with the Artifact?

Crazy

Thats a good word for it I think

a single ship or building made entirely of the stuff would have the mass of a planet.... and the gravity that is associated with such mass. How would gravity work if you are inside the substance that is creating it? I havent the foggiest but I'm thinking bad things.... like being compacted to the very center of the ship or being simultaniously pulled in all directions... anyhow its not a situation that would ever occur.

The only way using this stuff is even within the realm of posibility is to have a coating a single neutron thick covering the hull of the ship. This would however hugely increase the mass of the ship... as I said a single 10 cm ball of the stuff is a trillion metric tonns! And the coating of an entire ship (even if its super thin) would probably require atleast this amount.

[KLM]

But as the egghead mode of me kicks in, a single layer is
not very strong.

Of course it is stronger than most materials, but only a limited
amount of energy is needed to break the bonds between
the particles.

Whatever... Neutronium is a substance which is resistant
to most effects, especially to antimatter, but has and "affordable"
weight - is space operas at least.

Adios
KLM