Marines refuse armor

Trooper Jim · Unread post by **Trooper Jim** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:29 am

Found this posted on a gun forum. thought you guys might like it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060326/ap_ ... used_armor

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:40 pm

I saw that too.

It makes sense, you have to trade off the protection of armour for the protection of mobility. There's a balance point you have to find to make it through the battle in one piece.

Gomen_Nagai · Unread post by **Gomen_Nagai** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:05 pm

they need better armor.. current ones are heavy flak and Ceramic outfits... with no effort or money for Ferro fibrous armor or other new technology.

glitterboy2098 · Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:42 pm

Alejandro wrote:We definitely need lighter armor, but there's no way the government would start checking into lighter ferro-fibrous armor considering what its initial costs would be. They love to throw it in your face how much they've spent to train you & how valuable you are, but that's only when you get in trouble. They really don't care that much...to the Pentagon whatever service you're in doesn't matter, you're just a number. If you die, another number will be sent from America to take your place.

"Nomex Survival suit, for advanced infantry. Kevlar Biweave, Reinforced joints."
"tear resistant?"
"this sucker will stop a knife"
"bullet proof?"
"anything but a straight shot.'
"why didn't they put it into production?"
"Bean counters didn't think a soldier's life was worth 300 grand"

-Batman Begins.

Killer Cyborg · Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:50 am

Redemption0331 wrote:They weigh the 300 grand against the recruiter combing the local high schools.

The unfortunate truth is that lives are easier to replace than the bottom dollar.

It takes a lot of money to make armor, but it only takes one drunken night without a condom to create a life.

Killer Cyborg · Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:19 am

Alejandro wrote:
Killer Cyborg wrote:
Redemption0331 wrote:They weigh the 300 grand against the recruiter combing the local high schools.

The unfortunate truth is that lives are easier to replace than the bottom dollar.

It takes a lot of money to make armor, but it only takes one drunken night without a condom to create a life.

Takes less than that. 2 high school kids and the phrase "You know I love you, baby."

No alcohol needed there.

For that matter, they don't even have to be in high school.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:11 pm

I think, with the exception of special forces types, most soldiers out on the firing line are only issued their primary weapon. Officers, senior NCOs and heavy weapons specialists may also get a sidearm in addition to their weapon for situations their primary weapon is inapropriate. Vehicle crews would be issued a total number of longarms and sidearms based upon available storage.

However, in certain circumstances, extra issue side arms, or personally owned sidearms may begin to appear. Most notably MOUT operations or security operations which both require lots of close range work.

jedi078 · Unread post by **jedi078** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:05 pm

Jefffar wrote:I think, with the exception of special forces types, most soldiers out on the firing line are only issued their primary weapon. Officers, senior NCOs and heavy weapons specialists may also get a sidearm in addition to their weapon for situations their primary weapon is inapropriate. Vehicle crews would be issued a total number of longarms and sidearms based upon available storage.

However, in certain circumstances, extra issue side arms, or personally owned sidearms may begin to appear. Most notably MOUT operations or security operations which both require lots of close range work.

What sucks is when you have to potentially defend a building and possibly evacuate the people to an alternate sight when each Marine (there wasn't a whole lot of us) has a 9mm berretta, an 870 shotgun, some CS grenades, and PR-24's.

psychophipps · Fri May 19, 2006 11:44 pm

Well, considering how 75% of casualties are the result of shrapnel, richochettes or explosions of some sort, I wouldn't mind having myself a decent flack jacket to keep my hide from getting peppered too bad byt he indirect stuff. The ability to absorb direct fire from my enemy's primary longarm is just icing on the cake, if you ask me.

The fact that it doesn't work as advertised is rather irksome, however...
Mark(psycho)Phipps( HAHAHA! )

GhostKnight · Unread post by **GhostKnight** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:05 am

I'll stick with my 45. If I need a rifle then there will be plenty to choose from laying on the ground.

Killer Cyborg · Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:11 pm

Alejandro wrote:
GhostKnight wrote:I'll stick with my 45. If I need a rifle then there will be plenty to choose from laying on the ground.

CITE YOUR SOURCE!!!! Lest Sam Elliot comes out of nowhere and beats you to death with his grizzleness.

And he could.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:11 am

I fear the man in the yellow chicken suit.