So...How screwed are we?

[TechnoGothic]

Now you guys need to find your way back to Rifts and see how these upgrades have really helped

[Prince Artemis]

the cs would if the people could prove that they're clearly human, but only until they found out about the splicer tech, then their on their hit list. Why? look at splicer tech and look at splugorthian bio-wizardry. If the cs is going so far as to connect techno-wizardry with bio-wizardry they'd instantly make the connect at the first sight of even a bio-comm.

Now, the cyberknights would love that fight. Not only with their anti-tech abilities but the fact that it appears to be a just cause and the humans are definatly the underdog.

Lazlo would join in the same reason as the knights

Dunscon's federation of magic would but it would be mostly lip services as they try and find a way to capture some nano-plague for their own uses against the cs. They could use the low magic power of the world as an easy excuse for little more then 'resupply efforts'.

the nano-plague could be 'relatively' solved by some techno-wizardry devices with a sort of constant effect, and the 'purge self' spell. there's no real safe way to keep the buggers out, but a purge self feild would keep the bugs from actually taking hold.

[sHaka]

the nano-plague could be 'relatively' solved by some techno-wizardry devices with a sort of constant effect, and the 'purge self' spell. there's no real safe way to keep the buggers out, but a purge self feild would keep the bugs from actually taking hold.

Except that the plague infects metal rather than people, you'd want magic/TW-devices aimed at purging metal items and equipment rather than people.

[Prince Artemis]

shaka, it infects both. that's why splicers going to another dimension are still affected. i said a purge feild so that the character and anything it touches inside of the feild would constantly repel the nanites.

and lord, i may be wrong but isn't the plague autonomous already. I thought that it doesn't receive any signal and direction from nexus. it just does what it does.

[sHaka]

shaka, it infects both.

ah, i meant to say 'Affects'

you're right though Prince, the nanoplague is autonomous - makes you wonder if they can exert any control over it at all. Maybe the only way Eve could stop it at all would be to trick Hecate to release a counter plague?

[The Baron of chaos]

Actually a superpowerfull EMP pulse would do the work. Nanomachines and EMP don't get too well along. A very powerfull EMP. In non SPlcier setting at certain point the Nanomchine would worn out, because they are not replenished. Plus they are useless aginst nanotechnology more advanced, like the Wolfen Quaotira Nanotech, it is preposterous think otherwise, like a an old Amiga600 going toe to toe with a deepblue 60000 in a speed challenge.

[Lt. Holmes]

Although it's your game, I personally would have preferred if the Cyborg hadn't been modified in any way. I would've loved to have role-played a man that's 90% percent machine in a world like Splicers. It should come as no surprise to anyone that I also enjoy playing the Apok in Wormwood

And now that you mention it, I'm tempted to roll up a GB pilot and see for myself what that "glorious railgun" can do to some Steel Troopers... why am I suddenly hearing a buzzsaw?

[sHaka]

Although it's your game, I personally would have preferred if the Cyborg hadn't been modified in any way. I would've loved to have role-played a man that's 90% percent machine in a world like Splicers. It should come as no surprise to anyone that I also enjoy playing the Apok in Wormwood

An unmodified cyborg in the SPLICER's would be reduced to gore in seconds - even Coake's experience of events is uncanonical (though pretty cool, wish my players were up for more SPLICERS!)

[The Baron of chaos]

It does depend what type of cyborg. there is no reason that a full conversion cyborg should be affected by nanomachine plague. I mena Essentially is a brain in jar closed into a full environmental power armor, and being in full environmental power armor and being from another dimension means you're immune to the plague. The only way a Full Conversion Cyborg could be affected is that the brain and the few internal organs are exposed to air, but at that point , well, the nanomachine is not such a big problem compared to the fact that the cyborg is dead anyway.
Oh and take in coutn technologica difference. I try to make it simple. Nanomachine Plague=Chuck Norris, Phase word Technology=Bruce Lee, Mechanoids Tehcnology=Jackie Chan...Cleared the concept? Or I should use the warclub and industrial drill?

[sHaka]

It does depend what type of cyborg. there is no reason that a full conversion cyborg should be affected by nanomachine plague.

Other than Canon - i take your point, but the 'Borg OCC description describes that in most cases the throat, tongue and other parts survive. I'd imagine that in most cases the nano-bots could infiltrate a 'Borg's system and affect it's flesh parts. I'm at work, but SPLICERs does specify that 'Borgs will be minced in 1D4 melees (:?:) or something similar.

Also consider that the 'Borg, if you allowed it to live, would have to spend it's entire existence without coming into physical contact with any of his fellow humans (or other mammilian life) - even a speck of blood would trigger a response. I doubt they'd even be able to touch him long enough to get the brain out and perform some kind of conversion.

Either way it is game over for the 'borg - either near-instantly by canon, or sometime soon from contact with mammals or their bodily fluids.

[The Baron of chaos]

i see your point here. But as i said advanced enough cyborgs should be immune as standard. I know it could sound bad, but sincerely this is houw I immagine would happen:
Splicer Nanomachine: oh boy new victim
Repoman Nanomachine: excuse me?
Splicer Nanomachine: You're going to submit me dude!
Repo-man Nanomachine: hmm no i don't think so
Splicer Nanomachine: Resistance is futile
Repo-man Nanomachine: Listen kid I don't think this is a good idea for you, I mean...
Splcier Nanomachine attack Repo-man nanomachine: You die for the Nexus glory
Repo-man nanomachine: sigh...
Repo-man nanomachine kick Splicier Nanomachine ass wiht a series of quick fast shaoilin kung-fu punch, followed by roundhouse kick and an hadoken blast And then push abutton making a giant anvil landing on Splicer Nanomachin poor remains.
Repo-man nanomachine: and is the 2000000000 times sinc e we got in this cosmic fluke of planet...Sheeeshh

[TechnoGothic]

It does depend what type of cyborg. there is no reason that a full conversion cyborg should be affected by nanomachine plague.

Other than Canon - i take your point, but the 'Borg OCC description describes that in most cases the throat, tongue and other parts survive. I'd imagine that in most cases the nano-bots could infiltrate a 'Borg's system and affect it's flesh parts. I'm at work, but SPLICERs does specify that 'Borgs will be minced in 1D4 melees (:?:) or something similar.

Also consider that the 'Borg, if you allowed it to live, would have to spend it's entire existence without coming into physical contact with any of his fellow humans (or other mammilian life) - even a speck of blood would trigger a response. I doubt they'd even be able to touch him long enough to get the brain out and perform some kind of conversion.

Either way it is game over for the 'borg - either near-instantly by canon, or sometime soon from contact with mammals or their bodily fluids.

Borgs could hang out with Technojackers

Best advice for Borgs...Just say that the Borg character would have become a technojacker if he was still flesh/blood...same with anyone with bionics from rifts/hu2...Would have, somehow the bionics interfer with the innate technojacker nanite powers of armor-fu and control machine-fu. All bionic pcs get are the immunity to the nanites...

[sHaka]

You of course run your game how you see fit but, if we're talking canon, 'Borg's are dead within seconds.

[TechnoGothic]

Well it would not make since if a Brain Transplant dies, but a dumb Power Armor GB doesnt. Both are sealed away from the outside and using machanical filters to breathe.

I'd allow a Borg that is just a BRAIN to survive the plaque, but not one that uses the human tongue, mouth, voicebox...ect...

[sHaka]

Well i'm just not allowing any crossovers!

[Gomen_Nagai]

well yeah.. brain robot transplant and Transfered intelligences should be immune, ... unless the DNA attacks things for having Been in contact with humans... then well everyone is in trouble.

[The Baron of chaos]

Well said

[sHaka]

well yeah.. brain robot transplant and Transfered intelligences should be immune, ... unless the DNA attacks things for having Been in contact with humans... then well everyone is in trouble.

eh? Sorry I don't quite get you.

[Lt. Holmes]

You of course run your game how you see fit but, if we're talking canon, 'Borg's are dead within seconds.

Upon rereading the book itself on that particular topic, I think the author was referring more to Headhunters, Partial-conversion borgs, and Cyberknights.

Those people would all be screwed over in seconds, but I'm still not so sure about the full-on Borg.

[sHaka]

Those people would all be screwed over in seconds, but I'm still not so sure about the full-on Borg.

True, it wasn't specifically refering to full conversion 'Borgs. Their own environmental systems maybe sufficient to filter out Nanites, depending on tech-levels and assuming that these are the "Brain-in-a-box" borg metioned earlier.

But, they would be at risk from the living around them. One speck of blood - even splattered out from a friendly Roughneck in host armour stood nearby - would cause their body to distort, explode, disolve or any other hideous result.

[Gomen_Nagai]

Did anyone here bother asking Carl Gleba, the Author, about what he thought yet? Or did he say something and I just didn't pay attention?

[Shawn Merrow]

Did anyone here bother asking Carl Gleba, the Author, about what he thought yet? Or did he say something and I just didn't pay attention?

Carmen Bellaire wrote Splicers.

[demos606]

Those people would all be screwed over in seconds, but I'm still not so sure about the full-on Borg.

True, it wasn't specifically refering to full conversion 'Borgs. Their own environmental systems maybe sufficient to filter out Nanites, depending on tech-levels and assuming that these are the "Brain-in-a-box" borg metioned earlier.

But, they would be at risk from the living around them. One speck of blood - even splattered out from a friendly Roughneck in host armour stood nearby - would cause their body to distort, explode, disolve or any other hideous result.

We know from discussion of attacking NEXUS bots in such a fashion that the plague simply doesnt function like that. FC borg ignores the plague the same as anyone in a sealed EBA would, they simply dont have to worry about what happens when they break the seals on their armor.

[sHaka]

Those people would all be screwed over in seconds, but I'm still not so sure about the full-on Borg.

True, it wasn't specifically refering to full conversion 'Borgs. Their own environmental systems maybe sufficient to filter out Nanites, depending on tech-levels and assuming that these are the "Brain-in-a-box" borg metioned earlier.

But, they would be at risk from the living around them. One speck of blood - even splattered out from a friendly Roughneck in host armour stood nearby - would cause their body to distort, explode, disolve or any other hideous result.

We know from discussion of attacking NEXUS bots in such a fashion that the plague simply doesnt function like that. FC borg ignores the plague the same as anyone in a sealed EBA would, they simply dont have to worry about what happens when they break the seals on their armor.

That was, if I may say so, wrong for the following reasons:

1 - The only reason NEXUS bots can't be warped, disolved, destroyed etc by a suicidal attack, spraying blood all over them and triggering the plague is that the nanites ignore mammilian contact with active NEXUS drones and 'bots through some sort of connection or programming within the nanites. (At work) It does spell this out clearly in the pages near the response tables. Of course, a destroyed NEXUS 'bot/drone's wreckage loses this connection and once again becomes a plague hazard.

2 - FC 'borgs have no such protection or connection to the plague. As far as nanites are concerned, they are just metal. Like all (non-precious) metal, they will be infected with nanites. Any mammal (or mammilian blood etc) coming into contact with a Full conversion 'Borg's metal body will trigger a plague response resulting in a nasty end for the 'Borg and possibly a nasty end for the mammal in question, depending on the response.

[The Baron of chaos]

Another proof that Splicer got more holes that emmenthal cheese. A power armor is said to not be affecte as long as it is sealend then it say nothing if is affected or not by nanoplague of others.
Oh a question youìve to answer. Is awolfen Quatoria from Phase WOrld susceptible to Nanoplague or not? I woudl sya not because the Woflen cyborg nanomachines are way more advanced than the primitive Nanoplague but I'm curious to hear you Bio-Jellyfishes opinion.

[sHaka]

Oh a question youìve to answer. Is awolfen Quatoria from Phase WOrld susceptible to Nanoplague or not? I woudl sya not because the Woflen cyborg nanomachines are way more advanced than the primitive Nanoplague but I'm curious to hear you Bio-Jellyfishes opinion.

That's a toughie! Like you were saying earlier, it all depends on the sophistication of NEXUS nano-tech VS 3G nano-tech.

Personally, I reckon there's not a whole lot between them (perhaps the same degree of difference between CS VS NGR weapons tech - 3G having a slight edge). Both are capable of amazing results. Would the Quatoria nanites, though, be able to identify the NEXUS nanites purpose and prevent it before it was too late?

Again, more reasons why I will avoid dimensional crossovers!

[demos606]

If Demons, Dragons and non-mammal aliens are subject to the plague (delayed for insects and such), I see no reason to believe Wolfen have any hope for immunity.

At it's heart, Splicers was seriously written to be a stand-alone setting with little to no crossover action. The entire setting is intensely hostile to anything from anywhere else in the Megaverse and truly is best avoided when dimension hopping.

[The Baron of chaos]

Uh Demos..I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT GENETIC, but about technology. 3G technology is , as core rule of entire megaverse, the top with Mechanoid technology(always assume the Mechanoid got the better edge of tech), and Nanotech in Phase world is veyr advanced. So I puzzle if 3G tech can beat splicer Technology.
It was not a question abut DNA , mammalina, warm blooded or else. Wolfen Quatoria are comlpete cybring, that look nomrmla wolfen but that ar eindeed very close to a TX terminator, with nanotech filling almost every pore of the synthetic fur.
Pehaps i should have used the Naruni Repo-bot as example, in this way you would have caught it much better.