Physical Perfection

[rc_brooks]

I was just wondering if there was an errata somewhere for this Talent. All Nightbane start with a base horror factor of 6, but this Talent says due to their perfection they are menacing and grant a base HF of 6. Is this just redundancy or a typo of some fashion?

[Nekira Sudacne]

My guess would be to nip the arguments in the bud that because they aren't ugly there wouldn't be a HF.

Horror Factor is unrelated to apperance. Dragons can be quite beautiful with PB's going past 30 and they'll STILL have one of the highest Horror Factors.

[rc_brooks]

I am not making an argument for it, just trying to figure out why they would say that it gives the nightbane a base HF of 6 when all bane start out with a base HF of 6... either its a redundancy or a typo. I am referring to Physical Perfection... a characteristic in the nightbane main book. This isn't an abstract thought I had, its in the description of the characteristic. I would quote it, but I don't think you are supposed to do that one here right?

[BillionSix]

My guess would be to nip the arguments in the bud that because they aren't ugly there wouldn't be a HF.

In a lot of books, there is an Awe factor that acts similar to HF, except not ugg related. A Nightbane could be hideous, or inhumanly beautiful, or weird looking, or just have an undefinable aura of menace, and have the same in-game mechanical effect. I think it's even stated in the Nightbane book itself under the Horror Factor description.

Brian

[acreRake]

I was just wondering if there was an errata somewhere for this Talent. All Nightbane start with a base horror factor of 6, but this Talent says due to their perfection they are menacing and grant a base HF of 6. Is this just redundancy or a typo of some fashion?

The answer is "redundancy". They get no special HF bonus, it's just pointing out that they do have the base of 6 (in case you forgot, i guess)

[MASTERMIND]

Well that explains why young boys have problems approaching those hot cheerleaders in high school, huh?

[Rallan]

My guess would be to nip the arguments in the bud that because they aren't ugly there wouldn't be a HF.

Horror Factor is unrelated to apperance. Dragons can be quite beautiful with PB's going past 30 and they'll STILL have one of the highest Horror Factors.

Yes but dragons are a hundred feet long and breathe fire and have a mouth big enough to bite you in half. That's gonna be scary no matter how pretty it looks

[Jefffar]

It's a redundancy, fo some reason the books seem to be set up so that you will roll on the beauty table first, so it just repeats your base HF in that table.

[drewkitty ~..~]

I was just wondering if there was an errata somewhere for this Talent. All Nightbane start with a base horror factor of 6, but this Talent says due to their perfection they are menacing and grant a base HF of 6. Is this just redundancy or a typo of some fashion?

I would change it to Awe Factor insted of horror factor. Initally they work the same, the char seeing them is stunned. While hte urge with HF is to get away. the urge with AF is to get closer.

[BillionSix]

I would change it to Awe Factor insted of horror factor. Initally they work the same, the char seeing them is stunned. While hte urge with HF is to get away. the urge with AF is to get closer.

I am not sure it would even be that different. I think an Awe factor, even a gorgeous one, would be intimidating as hell.
You know, instead of "If I get near this hideous creature, it'll eat me," it becomes, "If I get near this godlike being, it'll smite me. Or give me a nasty look, making me feel really small."

You might not feel the urge to run, but you are still scared to get close. And if the Nightbane is still supernatural looking in any obvious way, you might still feel the urge to run.

Brian

[MASTERMIND]

Fight or Flight Response

It's all the same in the end.

[TechnoGothic]

Nightbane Physical Perfection

The character projects an aura of Danger that intimidates those around him

Sounds simple to me.
Danger and Intimidation Factor....

[Prince Cherico]

nightbane are extremly powerful beings and their horror factor
isnt a matter of looks, a man can look at a nightbane in a photograph
and thing man this girl is hot and not be affected by the photograph
but put the same man in the same presense of the nightbane in the
photograph and he will wet his pants? Why?

Nightbane litterally radiate power from the very core of their being
it isnt the aperance that scares people its feeling the shear power
of some one who can rip you into two.

[Colt47]

It's not an aura of power that generates the fear. All so called monsters are based upon things people are afraid of, which is why they are considered monsters. Merging naturally occurring features from different animals that we are afraid of into a sort of freakish being is part of the major theme, while injuries (Stigmata) and physical superiority (Unearthly Beauty) are there due to religion, superstition, and self doubt.

Take a look at some of the most classic monsters such as dragons: The European dragon is a merging of bat, serpent, and feline. Do people fear snakes? Yes. Do people fear bats? Yes. Do people fear big cats? Yup. In the case of a dragon, the monster isn't just a combination of the three animals, it is huge as well! This only serves to make the creature even more frightening then it already is.

Aura? No. Natural response from years of evolution? Yes.

We didn't get to the top of the food chain chasing man eating tigers with stones

[TechnoGothic]

It's not an aura of power that generates the fear. All so called monsters are based upon things people are afraid of, which is why they are considered monsters. Merging naturally occurring features from different animals that we are afraid of into a sort of freakish being is part of the major theme, while injuries (Stigmata) and physical superiority (Unearthly Beauty) are there due to religion, superstition, and self doubt.

Take a look at some of the most classic monsters such as dragons: The European dragon is a merging of bat, serpent, and feline. Do people fear snakes? Yes. Do people fear bats? Yes. Do people fear big cats? Yup. In the case of a dragon, the monster isn't just a combination of the three animals, it is huge as well! This only serves to make the creature even more frightening then it already is.

Aura? No. Natural response from years of evolution? Yes.

We didn't get to the top of the food chain chasing man eating tigers with stones

I'll QUOTE the Book for you AGAIN :

Nightbane Physical Perfection

The character projects an aura of Danger that intimidates those around him

Projects an AURA of DANGER that Inimidates those Around him for Physical Perfection.

One of my Players just rolled up a Random Nightbane and all he got was Physical Perfection.

[Colt47]

Well I'd feel pretty intimidated by someone who looked like he could pummel me into a shoe box. It's the human intuition that is telling the people near the character that he is dangerous. It's the same kind of feeling you get if you've never seen a biker in your life and you just got surrounded by a bunch of em. Anyone would feel intimidated. So it's still not an aura, it's a natural human response.

Basically the description is saying that via the way the characters nightbane form is dressed and due to the professional level of the characters bodies fitness, he looks pretty bad ass.

The only time the horror factor will kick in is once someone realizes that the physically perfect person is actually a supernatural creature that can tear him in two.

[drewkitty ~..~]

the differene between the reation for HF and AF, is that with AF is that the affected will wet themselves with drool, while with HF they will wet themselves elsewhere.

[TechnoGothic]

Well I'd feel pretty intimidated by someone who looked like he could pummel me into a shoe box. It's the human intuition that is telling the people near the character that he is dangerous. It's the same kind of feeling you get if you've never seen a biker in your life and you just got surrounded by a bunch of em. Anyone would feel intimidated. So it's still not an aura, it's a natural human response.

Basically the description is saying that via the way the characters nightbane form is dressed and due to the professional level of the characters bodies fitness, he looks pretty bad ass.

The only time the horror factor will kick in is once someone realizes that the physically perfect person is actually a supernatural creature that can tear him in two.

Its an Aura just like the characteristic says.
It effects even the most Badarse Prison Reject with nearly no fear of any man/woman.

The Nightbane Might be dressed in a nice Suit to hide his "perfect body", but the aura kicks in and people still feel its effects that this dude is Dangerous somehow.

Look at the TV Show "PROFIT". Jim Profit looks pretty normal in a suit. Outside of the suit he was pretty well built.

But it is an Aura Effect...characteristic even says so. So they is no real debat about it.

[Rallan]

the differene between the reation for HF and AF, is that with AF is that the affected will wet themselves with drool, while with HF they will wet themselves elsewhere.

Depends. If this "AF" thing is tied to a high Physical Beauty stat, I think folks who see it'll still be wetting themselves elsewhere