Nexx, wth?

[Marrowlight]

Taken from the newest Press release.

# Mysteries of Magic™ for the Palladium Fantasy RPG®. May be a series of books.
# Monsters & Magic Items™ for the Palladium Fantasy RPG®. May be a series of books.

well, skipper?

[Library Ogre]

Taken from the newest Press release.

# Mysteries of Magic™ for the Palladium Fantasy RPG®. May be a series of books.
# Monsters & Magic Items™ for the Palladium Fantasy RPG®. May be a series of books.

well, skipper?

No clue.

[Marrowlight]

Taken from the newest Press release.

# Mysteries of Magic™ for the Palladium Fantasy RPG®. May be a series of books.
# Monsters & Magic Items™ for the Palladium Fantasy RPG®. May be a series of books.

well, skipper?

No clue.

Then find out!

[Josh Sinsapaugh]

Shot in the dark: the original manuscript is BIG, so Palladium is considering the option of splitting it up.

I may be utterly wrong about this.

~Josh

[Library Ogre]

To elaborate: I have nothing to do with Monsters and Magic Items; don't know anything about it, didn't pitch it. There are a few creature=types in my manuscript, but not enough to make a thick pamphlet out of.

Making Mysteries of magic into multiple books would involve splitting it into component parts; which would be possible, since the chapters covering various types of magic are more or less independent, but I've not been informed of anything regarding this, or why.

[Library Ogre]

Likewise, with Randi Cartier’s Monsters and Magic for Palladium Fantasy.

Apparently, it's Randi's.

[pblackcrow]

Probably for the same reason they split up BtS. TO MAKE MORE MONEY and honk off us fans when they don't all come out on time. I am sorry, but I still think Kevin made a major mistake. Kevin could have done what he did with Rifts Ultimate Edition, which was 376 pages. He didn't, as a result he made a lot of people mad in doing so. Not to mention some of the changes he made to it which no one really cared for after all the time we spent waiting on it to come out. And the sad part is, my group whines up using it as a supplement for first edition and played for like 5-6 months. Got fed up with the waiting on the new books and said the heck with it. And started playing PFRPG after a somewhat breaf game of Heroes Unlimited. 10 games doesn't exactly count as a large amount of playing.

Btw Nexx, I would like to add some stuff to your "slaves in the PF world" artical, if I may? Please get in touch with me on yahoo messenger sometime.

[Warwolf]

Probably for the same reason they split up BtS. TO MAKE MORE MONEY and honk off us fans when they don't all come out on time. I am sorry, but I still think Kevin made a major mistake.

As you can not possibly support that statement, I would recommend you avoid making such derogatory remarks.

[AlexM]

As all of you can see from the new Press Release, the schedule for the rest of the year is packed. The Randi Cartier book may be split into parts, we'll see.

You can please most of the people most of the time but not all of the people all of the time.



Alex Marciniszyn

[Northern Ranger]

As all of you can see from the new Press Release, the schedule for the rest of the year is packed. The Randi Cartier book may be split into parts, we'll see.

You can please most of the people most of the time but not all of the people all of the time.



Alex Marciniszyn

I think you guys manage to please most of the people, most of the time. Just my opinion, of course.

[Goliath Strongarm]

As all of you can see from the new Press Release, the schedule for the rest of the year is packed.

Call me a cynic, but I'll believe it when I see it.
I happen to notice that none of those PF titles are the ones with solid release dates.

[Yisterwald]

I don't believe anything about Palladium release dates until the product is on my bookshelf.

[verdilak]

It's great to see that the PF books are thought of, but no dates really doesn't mean much anymore. I mean, OK was slated to come out '98. Nothing so far. Those PF books aren't even slated to come out in '07. Not trying to be pessimistic here, but it's hard not to be. As Yisterwald said

I don't believe anything about Palladium Fantasy release dates until the product is on my bookshelf.

Though I would add in Fantasy after Palladium.

[Goliath Strongarm]

I mean, OK was slated to come out '98.

Pretty sure it was 95. Which makes it even more disappointing.

When it comes to release dates, PB has been horrible. When it comes to PF, they've been even worse.

I love Palladium. I really do. It's my favorite fantasy game, out of ALL of them out there. But let's look at this

1) Can't buy books if they aren't being published.
2) WON'T buy books without the ones I WANT being published.

Seriously, I will not buy another Palladium book until the OK book(s). EXCEPT for MoM. And that's cause I've given my word to Nexxy.

[Library Ogre]

I mean, OK was slated to come out '98.

Pretty sure it was 95. Which makes it even more disappointing.

My copy of Yin-Sloth says that the OK books were coming in 1995.

Seriously, I will not buy another Palladium book until the OK book(s). EXCEPT for MoM. And that's cause I've given my word to Nexxy.

And I appreciate it.

[Goliath Strongarm]

Seriously, I will not buy another Palladium book until the OK book(s). EXCEPT for MoM. And that's cause I've given my word to Nexxy.

And I appreciate it.

Of course, before I can do that, they have to publish it....

[Marrowlight]

Of course, before I can do that, they have to publish it....

Your oath is what is holding up publication I wager.

[Goliath Strongarm]

Of course, before I can do that, they have to publish it....

Your oath is what is holding up publication I wager.

And for every game book I go to buy that I'm not spending on PF, they lose money, and the competition gains it...

In the two weeks I was in the states, I bought 6 game books. Personally, I'd rather have bought PF stuff. It's not there for me to buy, so....

[Sureshot]

I hope that Mysteries of Magic will not be a series of books. CE was incomplete, BTS2 is incomplete I have no intention of falling for something similiar a third time. Even though I really want to buy a new PF book.

[Marrowlight]

I hope that Mysteries of Magic will not be a series of books. CE was incomplete, BTS2 is incomplete I have no intention of falling for something similiar a third time. Even though I really want to buy a new PF book.

so you didn't buy the LoD books?

[Sureshot]

so you didn't buy the LoD books?

I did but it's not the same thing at all. I can run PF with just the core book. I can't run CE and BTS2 with the core book so even if LOD3 is never released it's not going to cause me any problems with running the game.

[Marrowlight]

so you didn't buy the LoD books?

I did but it's not the same thing at all. I can run PF with just the core book. I can't run CE and BTS2 with the core book so even if LOD3 is never released it's not going to cause me any problems with running the game.

I've never put much effort into either game, but is there something missing from them that can't be handled by the other palladium books you already have? Especially for CE -- BTS2E I can see having issues due to the way they do isp.

[Marrowlight]

so you didn't buy the LoD books?

I did but it's not the same thing at all. I can run PF with just the core book. I can't run CE and BTS2 with the core book so even if LOD3 is never released it's not going to cause me any problems with running the game.

I've never put much effort into either game, but is there something missing from them that can't be handled by the other palladium books you already have? Especially for CE -- BTS2E I can see having issues due to the way they do isp.

[Sureshot]

I've never put much effort into either game, but is there something missing from them that can't be handled by the other palladium books you already have? Especially for CE -- BTS2E I can see having issues due to the way they do isp.

It's not so much the extra effort. It's the " A Complete Rpg" they sell bought games as and to be honest when it's advertised as complete I expect it to be complete. Not "complete" with having to buy more books or use other exisitng books.

[Marrowlight]

I've never put much effort into either game, but is there something missing from them that can't be handled by the other palladium books you already have? Especially for CE -- BTS2E I can see having issues due to the way they do isp.

It's not so much the extra effort. It's the " A Complete Rpg" they sell bought games as and to be honest when it's advertised as complete I expect it to be complete. Not "complete" with having to buy more books or use other exisitng books.

right, so you got deceived in your eyes, and that's fine. But are you actually incapable of playing the game because you don't have other palladium books that could fill the role, or simply because you're trying to hold true to a point and that's more important than actually playing the game?

[Goliath Strongarm]

I've never put much effort into either game, but is there something missing from them that can't be handled by the other palladium books you already have? Especially for CE -- BTS2E I can see having issues due to the way they do isp.

It's not so much the extra effort. It's the " A Complete Rpg" they sell bought games as and to be honest when it's advertised as complete I expect it to be complete. Not "complete" with having to buy more books or use other exisitng books.

Ughs, can we get back on topic?

[Sureshot]

right, so you got deceived in your eyes, and that's fine. But are you actually incapable of playing the game because you don't have other palladium books that could fill the role, or simply because you're trying to hold true to a point and that's more important than actually playing the game?

See if a game tells me it's complete and I need other books to make it complete it's not really complete is it. Nor should I have to use or go buy more books to make the game complete. I consider being told to use other books a cop-out plain and simple. I'm not playing CE because it's still missing books. I don't care if I can use existing books for it. I should not have to. BTS2 I did not even buy. Finally I have given you my response on this three times I'm not going to do it again.

[Marrowlight]

right, so you got deceived in your eyes, and that's fine. But are you actually incapable of playing the game because you don't have other palladium books that could fill the role, or simply because you're trying to hold true to a point and that's more important than actually playing the game?

See if a game tells me it's complete and I need other books to make it complete it's not really complete is it. Nor should I have to use or go buy more books to make the game complete. I consider being told to use other books a cop-out plain and simple. I'm not playing CE because it's still missing books. I don't care if I can use existing books for it. I should not have to. BTS2 I did not even buy. Finally I have given you my response on this three times I'm not going to do it again.

/shrug, just trying to figure out if the books really can't be played because you lack books that are already in the palladium rule system or if you're just choosing not to use them. Looks like the answer is B -- you could've just said that straight up and saved yourself all this aggravation you seem to have let yourself feel since you "aren't going to do it again"

I've also asked two pretty different questions, and only because I was seeking understanding from your posts -- responses that aren't answers and all that. Just shoot straight next time and maybe you won't get all upset. Not everyone here is trying to pick I fight with you, I was just seeking a better handle on your particular situation, so quills down.

[Marrowlight]

I've never put much effort into either game, but is there something missing from them that can't be handled by the other palladium books you already have? Especially for CE -- BTS2E I can see having issues due to the way they do isp.

It's not so much the extra effort. It's the " A Complete Rpg" they sell bought games as and to be honest when it's advertised as complete I expect it to be complete. Not "complete" with having to buy more books or use other exisitng books.

Ughs, can we get back on topic?

original question (hey which I asked being as how I started this thread n all) was sufficiently answered by Alex and others, so there's really no topic to get back on to -- conversation evolved from there, and here we are.

[Goliath Strongarm]

conversation evolved from there

I think you missed the D at the front of one of your words. Conversation DEvolved more than it Evolved....

[Marrowlight]

conversation evolved from there

I think you missed the D at the front of one of your words. Conversation DEvolved more than it Evolved....

[Sureshot]

/shrug, just trying to figure out if the books really can't be played because you lack books that are already in the palladium rule system or if you're just choosing not to use them. Looks like the answer is B -- you could've just said that straight up and saved yourself all this aggravation you seem to have let yourself feel since you "aren't going to do it again"

I've also asked two pretty different questions, and only because I was seeking understanding from your posts -- responses that aren't answers and all that. Just shoot straight next time and maybe you won't get all upset. Not everyone here is trying to pick I fight with you, I was just seeking a better handle on your particular situation, so quills down.

I thought I was giving a straight answer. I don't see what's so unclear about my posts. And yes sometimes I do sometimes takes a thread was too personally. I will try to be more clear in the future. No harm done.

Back to topic until we hear anything back from either KS or Mr.Nexx on the subject we really imo can't really continue the thread as imo were just going to be endlessly speculating about it without knowing all the facts.I hope it gets cleared up in a future murmur.

[Marrowlight]

I don't see what's so unclear about my posts.

that's because you wrote them.

No harm done.

ditto.

Back to topic until we hear anything back from either KS or Mr.Nexx on the subject we really imo can't really continue the thread as imo were just going to be endlessly speculating about it without knowing all the facts.I hope it gets cleared up in a future murmur.

Yup, thought Alex covered it all pretty well. We're now, once again, in wait and see mode.

[Library Ogre]

Once a manuscript is turned in to Palladium, I've got no more control over it than they want me to have; I intended MoM to be one book, and I think it would be difficult to work as multiple books without significant expansion, but I don't know anything about plans to change it to multiple.

[Sureshot]

that's because you wrote them.

Maybe I should take some courses on how to write better because next thing you know I will be the new Cherico of the boards. It's not exactly a title I'm seeking. I'm just kidding.

Yup, thought Alex covered it all pretty well. We're now, once again, in wait and see mode.

Pretty much. Personally I think the books were split off to make more money. While I don't have proof of that why split them in the first place? Unless Mark Hall manuscript is REALLY big than I can see it. If it's more profit that's okay too. Just be honest about it. PB like every other company out there needs to pay the bills too.

[Marrowlight]

that's because you wrote them.

Maybe I should take some courses on how to write better because next thing you know I will be the new Cherico of the boards. It's not exactly a title I'm seeking. I'm just kidding.

Yup, thought Alex covered it all pretty well. We're now, once again, in wait and see mode.

Pretty much. Personally I think the books were split off to make more money. While I don't have proof of that why split them in the first place? Unless Mark Hall manuscript is REALLY big than I can see it. If it's more profit that's okay too. Just be honest about it. PB like every other company out there needs to pay the bills too.

Your paranoia is nicer than mine. Personally I got Mid 10's Rifts flashback horrors of both books suddenly being written by "Kevin Siembieda & Mark Hall" or worse by "Kevin Siembieda" alone with Mark's name appearing inside, somewhere, kinda.

[Sureshot]

[Your paranoia is nicer than mine. Personally I got Mid 10's Rifts flashback horrors of both books suddenly being written by "Kevin Siembieda & Mark Hall" or worse by "Kevin Siembieda" alone with Mark's name appearing inside, somewhere, kinda.

It's the PWO (Palladium World Order) . Headed by Kevin Nash I mean Kevin Siembieda and Mark Hall. Man I'm so bored I'm posting lame wrestling jokes.

[Sureshot]

if they do split up the magic book and monster book, i just hope and pray that all of them get released unlike another book that was split up into three and then never finished. *shakes fist angrily*

i also don't pay any attention to the press releases because it is pretty much a fact that they won't be meeting those deadlines. until a book actually hits the shelf, in my mind they don't even exist and i keep on going like they won't ever see the light of day.

Very much agreed and seconded.