cornholioprime wrote:Me, too.
HE's the one that I want to run Chi-Town!!
Oh, if you only knew what I know.
Sourcebook 1 ROCKS.
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cornholioprime wrote:Me, too.
HE's the one that I want to run Chi-Town!!
As long as Prosek and Family aren't the Robotic Clones of Miles Warren whose real last names are Reilly, I'm prepared for almost anything that comes down.Subjugator wrote:cornholioprime wrote:Me, too.
HE's the one that I want to run Chi-Town!!
Oh, if you only knew what I know.
Sourcebook 1 ROCKS.
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cornholioprime wrote:As long as Prosek and Family aren't the Robotic Clones of Miles Warren whose real last names are Reilly, I'm prepared for almost anything that comes down.Subjugator wrote:cornholioprime wrote:Me, too.
HE's the one that I want to run Chi-Town!!
Oh, if you only knew what I know.
Sourcebook 1 ROCKS.
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duck-foot wrote:im with the brave little toaster.
Dracurian wrote:To recap, the front-line ARCHIEE bots are limited to responses programed into them
From what I have read on other posts, most peoples complaints with the siege of Tolkeen seems to be it followed no real world military thinking (I normally only use the real world sparingly), if Sun Tzu is used as a basis for the conflict between ARCHIEE & NEMA then the conflict will hang together much better, & there will be less faults for people to pick at.
Hotrod wrote:Humanity's salvation should be humanity. I'm rooting for the Republicans.
Morrowcale wrote:Hotrod wrote:Humanity's salvation should be humanity. I'm rooting for the Republicans.
Preach it brother!
Sureshot wrote:Listen you young whippersnappers in my day we had to walk for 15 no 30 miles to the nearest game barefoot both ways. We had real books not PDFS and we carried them on carts we pulled ourselves that we built by hand. We had Thaco and we were happy. If we needed dice we carved ours out of wood. Petrified wood just because we could.
Sureshot wrote:Listen you young whippersnappers in my day we had to walk for 15 no 30 miles to the nearest game barefoot both ways. We had real books not PDFS and we carried them on carts we pulled ourselves that we built by hand. We had Thaco and we were happy. If we needed dice we carved ours out of wood. Petrified wood just because we could.
The flesh is weak!
Despise the weak!
Steel is strong!
Through strength we survive!
With survival comes thought!
With thought comes knowledge!
With Knowledge comes power!
From power we grow!
As we grow we increase understanding!
Understanding leads to enlightenment!
With enlightenment comes realisation!
We realise that the universe is one funny place & we laugh, what else you going to do eh?
Heathen! We realised have selfgenerating methane reactors situated within our abdomin! We need not plugs!
We also wear the holy vestments of superior coppermesh underware that protects us from your primitive EMP devices & looks absolutely stunnings with a pair of shiny black stilleto heals!
Dracurian wrote:Crazy Lou wrote:... Um... Maybe not... (with you)
Your just scared oh leotarded one! As I see things that are not there when the imp brings me the next glass.
That's it isn't it. Your scared of imps!
Sureshot wrote:Listen you young whippersnappers in my day we had to walk for 15 no 30 miles to the nearest game barefoot both ways. We had real books not PDFS and we carried them on carts we pulled ourselves that we built by hand. We had Thaco and we were happy. If we needed dice we carved ours out of wood. Petrified wood just because we could.
Ravenwing wrote:"Killing Dbee's isn't murder, they aren't human, it's pest control!"
Zardoz wrote:You have been raised up from Brutality, to kill the Brutals who multiply, and are legion. To this end, Zardoz your God gave you the gift of the Gun. The Gun is good!
Dracurian wrote:We let machines rule over us in the real world now. Money is stuck into your bank account by computer, Interest on debts is calculated by a computer which also notes when & what you paid. We recieve bank statements & debt statements via an automated machine, & just try in this day & age to prove your actually you when a computer says you are not.
Dracurian wrote:Robotic troops might have a slight strategic advantage as has been mentioned else ware, they need no sleep/food/water, the advantage is only slight as human troops can live off the land & heal, & the big plus, human troops do not need to use mecha to be effective (though it certainly makes it alot easier).
oni no won wrote:OK, let me put it in another way...
Machines work for us NOT the other way around.
We dictate a machine's function. Machines don't dictate our actions. They may give us vital iformations but ultimately we have the final say in how we interpret the data and the course of action we will take.
Wow, so you admit that he was elected? That's very big of you.Vrykolas2k wrote:oni no won wrote:OK, let me put it in another way...
Machines work for us NOT the other way around.
We dictate a machine's function. Machines don't dictate our actions. They may give us vital iformations but ultimately we have the final say in how we interpret the data and the course of action we will take.
Are you SURE?
Maybe we elect machines every four years. Ever notice how Algore moves, for instance?
Dracurian wrote:Excellent!!!! this is turning into a phylisophical/conspiracy argument...er..discussion. Have not had a good one in a long time!!!!oni no won wrote:OK, let me put it in another way...
Machines work for us NOT the other way around.
We dictate a machine's function. Machines don't dictate our actions. They may give us vital iformations but ultimately we have the final say in how we interpret the data and the course of action we will take.
Do you dictate the function of your ATM? or do you rely on the unseen programers to do it for you? Is every computer operator able to dictate what the computer does? If so why do programs crash or unexpected code turn up that can not be explained except as program fragments? & if they're program fragments, why do the programs still work to create more fragments?
The early computer pioneers used the term ghost-in-the-machine for these unexplained occurances. Isaac Asimov was the first to make it publicly known (although Ray Bradbury also did so, he's just not as well known). Speaking as someone who vanishes from databases quite regularly, I am thinking that perhaps, given enough time, computers start developing rudimentry Intelligence (that could be why computers become obsolete so quickly, the industry trying to prevent it) if not sentience.
If we are going to be ruled by a machine, let it be a machine we can have a conversation with!Jack Daniels wrote:Actually, not needing sleep, food, or water is pretty much the biggest strategic advantage I can think of outside of being totally omniscient in regards to your opponents every thought. It is very difficult for any decent number of people to live off the land and it takes a significant amount of time and effort to do so. It would be even harder to do it in an area where there are not very many farms or orchards or what have you that can be plundered. Ever consider trying to feed an army on nuts and berries gathered along the way? Read some military histories to find out how important sleep, food and water are strategically.
I said it was slight, as humanity has the greater advantage of adaptability. Humans can survive in climates & conditions that would prove problematic for robots, for example: tropical mangrove swamps (high humidity, highly corrosive), deserts (look what sand blasting does to metal, not to mention the grit getting into joints), & while humans need sleep, food & water, we are also extremely adaptable with regards to types of food we can eat. Hot curries are an excellent example, the more you eat the hotter curry can be eaten, as are bush tucker.
Humanity also heals, something mechanicals can not do, so they need supply lines as well, for parts (plating, lubricants, seals) from their factories, robots also have the limitation of not being able to quickly switch between different factories (try puting a starter motor from a three cylinder Daewoo into a V8 ford), where as humans can quickly change from rice to wheat to meat etc.
So all up, not having to eat, sleep, etc pans out as not being a large strategic advantage, but it is still an advantage none the less.
Dracurian wrote:Do you dictate the function of your ATM? or do you rely on the unseen programers to do it for you? Is every computer operator able to dictate what the computer does? If so why do programs crash or unexpected code turn up that can not be explained except as program fragments? & if they're program fragments, why do the programs still work to create more fragments?
Jesterzzn wrote:Wow, so you admit that he was elected? That's very big of you.Vrykolas2k wrote:oni no won wrote:OK, let me put it in another way...
Machines work for us NOT the other way around.
We dictate a machine's function. Machines don't dictate our actions. They may give us vital iformations but ultimately we have the final say in how we interpret the data and the course of action we will take.
Are you SURE?
Maybe we elect machines every four years. Ever notice how Algore moves, for instance?
Vrykolas2k wrote:Jesterzzn wrote:Wow, so you admit that he was elected? That's very big of you.Vrykolas2k wrote:oni no won wrote:OK, let me put it in another way...
Machines work for us NOT the other way around.
We dictate a machine's function. Machines don't dictate our actions. They may give us vital iformations but ultimately we have the final say in how we interpret the data and the course of action we will take.
Are you SURE?
Maybe we elect machines every four years. Ever notice how Algore moves, for instance?
He was nrver elected.
I was simply pointing out he was malfunctioning, even for a politician. Dangling chads don't count, no matter how much you shake them or how many of the dead vote...
Crazy Lou wrote:Jack Daniels wrote:Actually, not needing sleep, food, or water is pretty much the biggest strategic advantage I can think of outside of being totally omniscient in regards to your opponents every thought. It is very difficult for any decent number of people to live off the land and it takes a significant amount of time and effort to do so. It would be even harder to do it in an area where there are not very many farms or orchards or what have you that can be plundered. Ever consider trying to feed an army on nuts and berries gathered along the way? Read some military histories to find out how important sleep, food and water are strategically.
I said it was slight, as humanity has the greater advantage of adaptability. Humans can survive in climates & conditions that would prove problematic for robots, for example: tropical mangrove swamps (high humidity, highly corrosive), deserts (look what sand blasting does to metal, not to mention the grit getting into joints), & while humans need sleep, food & water, we are also extremely adaptable with regards to types of food we can eat. Hot curries are an excellent example, the more you eat the hotter curry can be eaten, as are bush tucker.
Humanity also heals, something mechanicals can not do, so they need supply lines as well, for parts (plating, lubricants, seals) from their factories, robots also have the limitation of not being able to quickly switch between different factories (try puting a starter motor from a three cylinder Daewoo into a V8 ford), where as humans can quickly change from rice to wheat to meat etc.
So all up, not having to eat, sleep, etc pans out as not being a large strategic advantage, but it is still an advantage none the less.
Dracurian wrote:Well I am embarrased
I had my argument all planned but now I have forgotten where it was going. Bugga. I'll have to conceed, let's just put it down to cultural differences & leave it at that.
Bit disapointed really, been so long since I had a good argument I've forgotten how to do it.