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Is there anything canon stating how to make a talisman permanent (i.e; a 3 times per day type of thing)? If not, are there any suggestions on house ruling it? My idea would simply be to double the PPE cost, like the enchant weapon spell, to make it permanent.

In a related question, what is the limit (if any) on how much PPE you can store in a talisman as a PPE battery? The BoM says that the battery can be charged with 50 PPE initially and then recharged with 30 PPE at a recharge cost of 60. This suggest to me that one could put in more than the initial 50. How have you handled PPE limits on this if it has ever come up?

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Morrowcale wrote:Is there anything canon stating how to make a talisman permanent (i.e; a 3 times per day type of thing)? If not, are there any suggestions on house ruling it? My idea would simply be to double the PPE cost, like the enchant weapon spell, to make it permanent.


Making it permant like that can only be done by the alchemist OOC in general.

In a related question, what is the limit (if any) on how much PPE you can store in a talisman as a PPE battery? The BoM says that the battery can be charged with 50 PPE initially and then recharged with 30 PPE at a recharge cost of 60. This suggest to me that one could put in more than the initial 50. How have you handled PPE limits on this if it has ever come up?


You can only put 50 PPE in it at once, then you cannot put any more in it until it's used up. after the initial charge, it can only be charged with 30 PPE at a time

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Alchemist, eh? Is that in PF?
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Yes, the alchemist is in PF. The usual requirements is 6 levels in 2 magical OCCs, and 3 in another (Wizard, Diabolist, and Summoner, respectively), before you even begin to learn alchemy.
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Mark Hall wrote:Yes, the alchemist is in PF. The usual requirements is 6 levels in 2 magical OCCs, and 3 in another (Wizard, Diabolist, and Summoner, respectively), before you even begin to learn alchemy.


Not quite, you got summoner and diabolist mixed around. Summoner needs at least 3, diabolist 6. although for worlds other than PF you can probablly substitue whatever invocational spellcasting class is most predominant (such as ley line walker for Rifts)

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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:Yes, the alchemist is in PF. The usual requirements is 6 levels in 2 magical OCCs, and 3 in another (Wizard, Diabolist, and Summoner, respectively), before you even begin to learn alchemy.


Not quite, you got summoner and diabolist mixed around. Summoner needs at least 3, diabolist 6. although for worlds other than PF you can probablly substitue whatever invocational spellcasting class is most predominant (such as ley line walker for Rifts)


No, I didn't. 6 levels in two magical OCCs (Wizard, Diabolist) and 3 in another (Summoner).
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Mark Hall wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:Yes, the alchemist is in PF. The usual requirements is 6 levels in 2 magical OCCs, and 3 in another (Wizard, Diabolist, and Summoner, respectively), before you even begin to learn alchemy.


Not quite, you got summoner and diabolist mixed around. Summoner needs at least 3, diabolist 6. although for worlds other than PF you can probablly substitue whatever invocational spellcasting class is most predominant (such as ley line walker for Rifts)


No, I didn't. 6 levels in two magical OCCs (Wizard, Diabolist) and 3 in another (Summoner).


You need to check your palladium fantasy book again. I did.

Page 246 Palladium Fantasy Second Edition, under Magic Abilities under the Alchmist OCC:

The alchmeist is a mutliple O.C.C. Character. To become one, the character MUST be at least a sixth level wizard, sixth level diabolist, and third level summoner before studying the finer arts of alchemy, medicine, herbology, math, ect.
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Man, I gotta get this Palladium Fantasy game. It sounds like it has some great stuff.

Well, maybe next payday?
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:Yes, the alchemist is in PF. The usual requirements is 6 levels in 2 magical OCCs, and 3 in another (Wizard, Diabolist, and Summoner, respectively), before you even begin to learn alchemy.


Not quite, you got summoner and diabolist mixed around. Summoner needs at least 3, diabolist 6. although for worlds other than PF you can probablly substitue whatever invocational spellcasting class is most predominant (such as ley line walker for Rifts)


No, I didn't. 6 levels in two magical OCCs (Wizard, Diabolist) and 3 in another (Summoner).


You need to check your palladium fantasy book again. I did.

Page 246 Palladium Fantasy Second Edition, under Magic Abilities under the Alchmist OCC:

The alchmeist is a mutliple O.C.C. Character. To become one, the character MUST be at least a sixth level wizard, sixth level diabolist, and third level summoner before studying the finer arts of alchemy, medicine, herbology, math, ect.


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Mark Hall wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:Yes, the alchemist is in PF. The usual requirements is 6 levels in 2 magical OCCs, and 3 in another (Wizard, Diabolist, and Summoner, respectively), before you even begin to learn alchemy.


Not quite, you got summoner and diabolist mixed around. Summoner needs at least 3, diabolist 6. although for worlds other than PF you can probablly substitue whatever invocational spellcasting class is most predominant (such as ley line walker for Rifts)


No, I didn't. 6 levels in two magical OCCs (Wizard, Diabolist) and 3 in another (Summoner).


You need to check your palladium fantasy book again. I did.

Page 246 Palladium Fantasy Second Edition, under Magic Abilities under the Alchmist OCC:

The alchmeist is a mutliple O.C.C. Character. To become one, the character MUST be at least a sixth level wizard, sixth level diabolist, and third level summoner before studying the finer arts of alchemy, medicine, herbology, math, ect.


That's what I said, Neki-chan. That's what I said in the first place, and the second place.


Grrr. I can't even blame my nonexsitant dislexia :oops:
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If it makes you feel any better, Nekira, you said it better.
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Nekira Sudacne wrote:Grrr. I can't even blame my nonexsitant dislexia :oops:


wanna borrow mine? i can lend it out for short periods, but i need it back. everything feels backwards without it :D
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