Some Dimensions Can't Support M.D.C. Physics?

[lather]

For someone who wants others to reread what he's wrote, you're not to big on reading your own stuff, are you?

I don't need to reread it. I wrote it.
If you are going to accuse me of something, the onus is on you to prove it. If you are not going to prove it, admit your wrongdoing or at least sit quietly.

[Killer Cyborg]

For someone who wants others to reread what he's wrote, you're not to big on reading your own stuff, are you?

I don't need to reread it. I wrote it.
If you are going to accuse me of something, the onus is on you to prove it. If you are not going to prove it, admit your wrongdoing or at least sit quietly.

Whether or not the onus is on him depends on the motivations of the people involved.
If you care about your actions, and the question of how they affect other people, then it's on you to look into the matter yourself.
Because it's something that you care about, whether or not he proves his case.

[lather]

For someone who wants others to reread what he's wrote, you're not to big on reading your own stuff, are you?

I don't need to reread it. I wrote it.
If you are going to accuse me of something, the onus is on you to prove it. If you are not going to prove it, admit your wrongdoing or at least sit quietly.

You DO need to reread it if you're going to go around telling people the same when you obviously didn't even remember what you wrote and instead decide to act like some wannabe intellectual douche.

I don't even know what this means. I'll try starting with a question.
How I obviously don't remember what I wrote?

You claim to not be dismissive and then go "Take it. Leave it. I really don't care",

I do not care. That is not dismissive. If I dismiss something, I reject it. I did not reject anything. I simply offered something that could be taken or not.

you then assume that players would not know about something so blatantly obvious and act insulting when someone calls you on it only to backtrack and say "oh, I meant the characters, not the players"

I did not backtrack. As Rallan correctly observed, I made a typo.
Either road, players do not necessarily now this rule.
Even if they do, the player characters do not.
And that opens the door for in-game reason(s).

even though you insist on acting like a chump.

Increasing the number of personal insults does nothing productive. Consider a change of tactic.

You have consistently failed to bring anything to the table beyond weak insults and a house rule as a defense for your support of a stupid idea.

Quote my insults.

Quote my house rule.

Quote my stupid idea.

[lather]

For someone who wants others to reread what he's wrote, you're not to big on reading your own stuff, are you?

I don't need to reread it. I wrote it.
If you are going to accuse me of something, the onus is on you to prove it. If you are not going to prove it, admit your wrongdoing or at least sit quietly.

Whether or not the onus is on him depends on the motivations of the people involved.
If you care about your actions, and the question of how they affect other people, then it's on you to look into the matter yourself.
Because it's something that you care about, whether or not he proves his case.

I read what I write. He says I don't. He's wrong. It's not more complex than that.

[lather]

Quote my insults.

You are aware that being insulting goes beyond just using words that are specific insults, right?

Yes.

But sure, why not take the troll bait one last time.

What is troll bait? I am not sure I know what a troll is in this context.

They would not know that "all laws of physics are exactly the same".
Pay attention.

unless, of course, it is obvious you have not read what I have said.

admit your wrongdoing or at least sit quietly.

I am sorry you felt insulted.

Quote my stupid idea.

Read was written like you tell other people. I said in defense of a stupid idea, not your idea. The idea in question being the very subject of this thread regarding the mystical ability of various areas being able to handle MDC when MDC as technology was first seen and still displayed in the Rifts books as existing without the need for MDC magic. However, you're of the opinion that it needs no explanation and should simply be accepted just because it's written.

I disagree that I am of the opinion that it needs no explanation and should simply be accepted just because it is written.

I think it needs an explanation. I do not think it requires an explanation. In my opinion, this a matter of playstyle.

[Killer Cyborg]

For someone who wants others to reread what he's wrote, you're not to big on reading your own stuff, are you?

I don't need to reread it. I wrote it.
If you are going to accuse me of something, the onus is on you to prove it. If you are not going to prove it, admit your wrongdoing or at least sit quietly.

Whether or not the onus is on him depends on the motivations of the people involved.
If you care about your actions, and the question of how they affect other people, then it's on you to look into the matter yourself.
Because it's something that you care about, whether or not he proves his case.

I read what I write. He says I don't. He's wrong. It's not more complex than that.

Sure it is.
Either you're saying something that you don't see, or he's reading something into your posts that isn't there.
In either case, if clear communication is your goal, then you share some responsibility to try to figure out what's happening and why.

[lather]

For someone who wants others to reread what he's wrote, you're not to big on reading your own stuff, are you?

I don't need to reread it. I wrote it.
If you are going to accuse me of something, the onus is on you to prove it. If you are not going to prove it, admit your wrongdoing or at least sit quietly.

Whether or not the onus is on him depends on the motivations of the people involved.
If you care about your actions, and the question of how they affect other people, then it's on you to look into the matter yourself.
Because it's something that you care about, whether or not he proves his case.

I read what I write. He says I don't. He's wrong. It's not more complex than that.

Sure it is.
Either you're saying something that you don't see, or he's reading something into your posts that isn't there.
In either case, if clear communication is your goal, then you share some responsibility to try to figure out what's happening and why.

Have it your way and let's say that's why I asked him to back up his accusation, which is somerthing he should have to do without me asking. That's how accusations work.

[Killer Cyborg]

Either you're saying something that you don't see, or he's reading something into your posts that isn't there.
In either case, if clear communication is your goal, then you share some responsibility to try to figure out what's happening and why.

Have it your way and let's say that's why I asked him to back up his accusation, which is somerthing he should have to do without me asking. That's how accusations work.

Okay.
And do you believe that hostility is the right way to get helpful information out of him?

[lather]

Either you're saying something that you don't see, or he's reading something into your posts that isn't there.
In either case, if clear communication is your goal, then you share some responsibility to try to figure out what's happening and why.

Have it your way and let's say that's why I asked him to back up his accusation, which is somerthing he should have to do without me asking. That's how accusations work.

Okay.
And do you believe that hostility is the right way to get helpful information out of him?

No, which is why I was not hostile.

[Killer Cyborg]

Either you're saying something that you don't see, or he's reading something into your posts that isn't there.
In either case, if clear communication is your goal, then you share some responsibility to try to figure out what's happening and why.

Have it your way and let's say that's why I asked him to back up his accusation, which is somerthing he should have to do without me asking. That's how accusations work.

Okay.
And do you believe that hostility is the right way to get helpful information out of him?

No, which is why I was not hostile.

You seem hostile to me, and presumably to Alejandro, and probably to some other people.

[lather]

Either you're saying something that you don't see, or he's reading something into your posts that isn't there.
In either case, if clear communication is your goal, then you share some responsibility to try to figure out what's happening and why.

Have it your way and let's say that's why I asked him to back up his accusation, which is somerthing he should have to do without me asking. That's how accusations work.

Okay.
And do you believe that hostility is the right way to get helpful information out of him?

No, which is why I was not hostile.

You seem hostile to me, and presumably to Alejandro, and probably to some other people.

That's unfortunate.

I mean, please, provide examples.

[Killer Cyborg]

You seem hostile to me, and presumably to Alejandro, and probably to some other people.

That's unfortunate.

I mean, please, provide examples.

Well, right there starting off with "That's unfortunate" just makes it seem like you don't care how you come off to others. Kind of like saying, "That's your problem".

Also, there's the stuff that Alejandro already quoted:

They would not know that "all laws of physics are exactly the same".
Pay attention.

unless, of course, it is obvious you have not read what I have said.

admit your wrongdoing or at least sit quietly.

And your response to him on this was to put the burden of your actions on him, saying that you were sorry that he "felt insulted", which implies again that he's just being delusional and that you bear no responsibility for the impact of your words.

[lather]

You seem hostile to me, and presumably to Alejandro, and probably to some other people.

That's unfortunate.

I mean, please, provide examples.

Well, right there starting off with "That's unfortunate" just makes it seem like you don't care how you come off to others. Kind of like saying, "That's your problem".

Sarcasm. That's something you're familiar with, I think.

Also, there's the stuff that Alejandro already quoted:

They would not know that "all laws of physics are exactly the same".
Pay attention.

unless, of course, it is obvious you have not read what I have said.

admit your wrongdoing or at least sit quietly.

And your response to him on this was to put the burden of your actions on him, saying that you were sorry that he "felt insulted", which implies again that he's just being delusional and that you bear no responsibility for the impact of your words.

I am sorry he felt insulted because I do not think these are insulting things to say. Perhaps my skin is thicker than his?

I'll try to tone it down for him so as to not be accused of being an idiot, a douche, or a chump.

[Killer Cyborg]

Sarcasm. That's something you're familiar with, I think.

Never heard of it.

And your response to him on this was to put the burden of your actions on him, saying that you were sorry that he "felt insulted", which implies again that he's just being delusional and that you bear no responsibility for the impact of your words.

I am sorry he felt insulted because I do not think these are insulting things to say. Perhaps my skin is thicker than his?

I'll try to tone it down for him so as to not be accused of being an idiot, a douche, or a chump.[/quote]

All you can do is try, but do try.
It's no fun when the mods get involved.

[lather]

Sarcasm. That's something you're familiar with, I think.

Never heard of it.

I swear that was you!

I'll try to tone it down for him so as to not be accused of being an idiot, a douche, or a chump.

All you can do is try, but do try.
It's no fun when the mods get involved.

I do try.
If I wasn't trying, I'd be calling him a douche rather than the other way round.

[lather]

Let's see how I earned it.

You DO need to reread it if you're going to go around telling people the same when you obviously didn't even remember what you wrote and instead decide to act like some wannabe intellectual douche.

Yea, definitely deserved it

Pardon me if I don't take you seriously. Ever.

[lather]

heres good rule my gm used one time. i had a chrcter rift to HU from Rifts he was a CS spy. after i ran out of E-Clips for my MDC laser assualt rifle. i decided to get some E-clips from anothr contemporary HU Laser weapon. the Blasts after tht did SDC. i asked my GM why this was. he told me Because MDC E-clips are more profieciant at using power cells from thier tanks, that iswhy they are MDC and not SDC. well that could be true or not. the point is h gave an excellent reason why, and not just because it cant support MDC physics in theis world. my brother tried to use a plasma rifle from rifts. in order for it to work with MDC we actually had to tap into a city-wide (yes city-wide) transformer. my gms explination was that in the future those city-wide transformers will be scaled down considerabily, but still retain the equal amounts of power eventually becoming Rifts E-clips. well that might not be fesible, atleast has i said he didnt do a cop-out.

:ok: Just the sort of thing I had been talking about.

Did you have to turn the lights off on the entire city in order to hook up? I have no idea how these things work.

[Mouser13]

heres good rule my gm used one time. i had a chrcter rift to HU from Rifts he was a CS spy. after i ran out of E-Clips for my MDC laser assualt rifle. i decided to get some E-clips from anothr contemporary HU Laser weapon. the Blasts after tht did SDC. i asked my GM why this was. he told me Because MDC E-clips are more profieciant at using power cells from thier tanks, that iswhy they are MDC and not SDC. well that could be true or not. the point is h gave an excellent reason why, and not just because it cant support MDC physics in theis world. my brother tried to use a plasma rifle from rifts. in order for it to work with MDC we actually had to tap into a city-wide (yes city-wide) transformer. my gms explination was that in the future those city-wide transformers will be scaled down considerabily, but still retain the equal amounts of power eventually becoming Rifts E-clips. well that might not be fesible, atleast has i said he didnt do a cop-out.

:ok: Just the sort of thing I had been talking about.

Did you have to turn the lights off on the entire city in order to hook up? I have no idea how these things work.

The only problem with that is we know about how much energy is in e-clip from rifts conversion. Under the Engery expulsion power I believe.

[Armorlord]

The way my group has understood this rule is that the 'MDC compatible' dimensions support higher energy states than the non-MD worlds and have a higher overall ambient energy level. Though dealing with universes with differing physics has been standard procedure with me (and the core of my group got to know each other over reading Hyperspace by Dr. Michio Kaku followed by lively 'What if's that lead to a free-form game.) We had worked it out regarding the Megaversal system back in the day when figuring out why TMNT aliens had descriptively better tech, but at SDC levels.

Been a bit since we've bothered with it, but I would swear there has been an official blurb regarding equipment conversion that gave a somewhat better rate than 1/10th though. Blast it, I keep forgetting where I've read things these days..