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JKnight wrote:If you have a sword can you parry someone is is trying to hit you with their fist?
Of course
If so do you do damage that person's hand? If yes, is that damage normal weapon damage plus physical strength?
No, it is impossible to do damage with a parry under any circumstances, except via the "Power block/parry" provided by certain martial art forms.
What if you have a sword and a dragon tries to bite you... can you parry that attack? If yes, do you do damage to the dragon from the parry? (Assuming you get over the AR in an SDC setting on the parry roll?)
You can't do damage parrying with a sword, although you could parry the dragon, yes.
If you do damage to creatures through parry's then it seems any "monster" without a physical weapon is at an extreme handicap. Is that correct?
Yes, they would be at a good disadvantge--which is precicly why you can't.
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JKnight wrote:If you have a sword can you parry someone is is trying to hit you with their fist?
Of course
A common house rule is that in order to parry in this situation, the parrying weapon has to be one handed, and shorter than an average arm length, eg: Sword, short sword, dagger, baton mace etc, claymores and flamberge, no. Due to of course space limitations. Of course if the attacker is attacking from range, eg leap kick or charging, then by all means use the spear to parry the moron.
If so do you do damage that person's hand? If yes, is that damage normal weapon damage plus physical strength?
No, it is impossible to do damage with a parry under any circumstances, except via the "Power block/parry" provided by certain martial art forms.
Again, another house rule is that yes in this case the parry will damage the attacker, but at half damage for that weapon and no strength bonus. Also the parry roll must beat AR etc.
What if you have a sword and a dragon tries to bite you... can you parry that attack? If yes, do you do damage to the dragon from the parry? (Assuming you get over the AR in an SDC setting on the parry roll?)
You can't do damage parrying with a sword, although you could parry the dragon, yes.
Again, a housie rule. Mainly because being able to parry said Dragon with your knife, just sounds really stupid. Any attack that can do more than 3 times more than what your weapon can do at max rolls, cannot be parried without taking at least half damage.
If you do damage to creatures through parry's then it seems any "monster" without a physical weapon is at an extreme handicap. Is that correct?
Yes, they would be at a good disadvantge--which is precicly why you can't.
Most monsters would dodge, not many are smart enough to be able to parry, if they are smart enough, they would have a weapon. Just IMHO of course.
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JKnight wrote:If you have a sword can you parry someone is is trying to hit you with their fist?
Of course
A common house rule is that in order to parry in this situation, the parrying weapon has to be one handed, and shorter than an average arm length, eg: Sword, short sword, dagger, baton mace etc, claymores and flamberge, no. Due to of course space limitations. Of course if the attacker is attacking from range, eg leap kick or charging, then by all means use the spear to parry the moron.
If so do you do damage that person's hand? If yes, is that damage normal weapon damage plus physical strength?
No, it is impossible to do damage with a parry under any circumstances, except via the "Power block/parry" provided by certain martial art forms.
Again, another house rule is that yes in this case the parry will damage the attacker, but at half damage for that weapon and no strength bonus. Also the parry roll must beat AR etc.
What if you have a sword and a dragon tries to bite you... can you parry that attack? If yes, do you do damage to the dragon from the parry? (Assuming you get over the AR in an SDC setting on the parry roll?)
You can't do damage parrying with a sword, although you could parry the dragon, yes.
Again, a housie rule. Mainly because being able to parry said Dragon with your knife, just sounds really stupid. Any attack that can do more than 3 times more than what your weapon can do at max rolls, cannot be parried without taking at least half damage.
If you do damage to creatures through parry's then it seems any "monster" without a physical weapon is at an extreme handicap. Is that correct?
Yes, they would be at a good disadvantge--which is precicly why you can't.
Most monsters would dodge, not many are smart enough to be able to parry, if they are smart enough, they would have a weapon. Just IMHO of course.
It is interesting to see differences of opinion.
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Is there such a thing as an attacker too big to parry?
Here's what happened: I was playing a True Atlantean Undead Slayer in a campaign with some fairly heavy houseruling anyway (4d6, drop the lowest, and arrange for attribute generation; and anybody who could get their HtH up to Martial arts could actually take a Ninjas & Superspies martial arts form). I was pretty much engaged in a one-on-one duel with a demon. There's about a five point disparity between my Parry bonus (good) and Dodge bonus (adequate for relatively normal fights). In the middle of the fight, the Demon gorws to giant size. I keep fighting. Eventually the Deomn makes what ought to be a good hit, I roll to Parry, it's a good roll and ought to have parried.
Then the GM says, well because of your relative sizes, you can't really parry effectively, consider this a dodge attempt instead. I figure out that it hits because the die roll I made would have been successful with my parry bonus but not my dodge bonus. End result is, I've got a squished Undead Slayer.
I'm not that upset, and I mostly agree with the GM's judgement call, but does he have any rules backing or is it mostly just a GM call?
This is indeed a disturbing universe.
First there is a mountain. Then there is no mountain.Then there is.
You can see in my above post a house rule for this, but no there is no canon rule for this other than "Its the GM's call"
Oh and I should have clarified a bit in my previous post. Nekira's answers are 100% correct, all my little tidbits are house rules we have come up with over the years.
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Is there such a thing as an attacker too big to parry?
Here's what happened: I was playing a True Atlantean Undead Slayer in a campaign with some fairly heavy houseruling anyway (4d6, drop the lowest, and arrange for attribute generation; and anybody who could get their HtH up to Martial arts could actually take a Ninjas & Superspies martial arts form). I was pretty much engaged in a one-on-one duel with a demon. There's about a five point disparity between my Parry bonus (good) and Dodge bonus (adequate for relatively normal fights). In the middle of the fight, the Demon gorws to giant size. I keep fighting. Eventually the Deomn makes what ought to be a good hit, I roll to Parry, it's a good roll and ought to have parried.
Then the GM says, well because of your relative sizes, you can't really parry effectively, consider this a dodge attempt instead. I figure out that it hits because the die roll I made would have been successful with my parry bonus but not my dodge bonus. End result is, I've got a squished Undead Slayer.
I'm not that upset, and I mostly agree with the GM's judgement call, but does he have any rules backing or is it mostly just a GM call?
Offically, you can parry attacks regardless of size of attacker. The GM has to houserule otherwise.
Secondly, your US has freaking supernatural strength. Tell your GM if he was still strong enough to pick the demon up he should be able to parry his attacks.
Sometimes, you're like a beacon of light in the darkness, giving me some hope for humankind. ~ Killer Cyborg
You can have something done good, fast and cheap. If you want it done good and fast, it's not going to be cheap. If you want it done fast and cheap it won't be good. If you want something done good and cheap it won't be done fast. ~ Dark Brandon
JKnight wrote:If you have a sword can you parry someone is is trying to hit you with their fist?
Of course
If so do you do damage that person's hand? If yes, is that damage normal weapon damage plus physical strength?
No, it is impossible to do damage with a parry under any circumstances, except via the "Power block/parry" provided by certain martial art forms.
What if you have a sword and a dragon tries to bite you... can you parry that attack? If yes, do you do damage to the dragon from the parry? (Assuming you get over the AR in an SDC setting on the parry roll?)
You can't do damage parrying with a sword, although you could parry the dragon, yes.
If you do damage to creatures through parry's then it seems any "monster" without a physical weapon is at an extreme handicap. Is that correct?
Yes, they would be at a good disadvantge--which is precicly why you can't.
This answer makes complete sense from a numbers point of view... but I can't help this nagging little feeling that tells me if I tried to punch someone, and they parried my punch with a sword, then I would probably get hurt. The situation in practice doesn't work so hot if you actually do damage with a parry... but there is a certain logic to it which is hard to dismiss.
I don't like the idea of houseruling much as I feel that quickly gets out of hand and creates for unwanted imbalances in the system... but I do like to understand the logic behind the situational rules such as these.
Can anyone explain to me WHY a parry against flesh with a sword would not harm the attacker? Something that would make it easier to swallow and visualize?
Simple. Whenever I throw a punch at an armed opponent, and he moves his sword to block, I _abandon my attack and withdraw my hand_.
He, by moving his sword, got me to stop my attack, no contact needs to be made to stop it.
meanwhile, if he's too slow to do that, I don't withdraw my attack and punch him.
Only an idiot finishes an attack if it's obviously going to hit a sword. Doing that is called overextending, and it's usually a free pass to a hell of a beating.
Sometimes, you're like a beacon of light in the darkness, giving me some hope for humankind. ~ Killer Cyborg
You can have something done good, fast and cheap. If you want it done good and fast, it's not going to be cheap. If you want it done fast and cheap it won't be good. If you want something done good and cheap it won't be done fast. ~ Dark Brandon
darebear wrote:I was wondering, how does a monster/bear/animal parry a weapon? Is there some penalty that is applied to the monster's parry roll?
Well, PFRPG it says there is penalty for a person to parry a weapon with-out another weapon. Though I would think most monsters should be considered armed at all times in my opinion.
So the question in my mind is do you think a animal or monster is armed if not then follow the rules in PFRPG. I will try and get a page number for you.
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Voran wrote:A time honored gaming question Our group consensus changed a bit when we played rifts, as it introduced a few things not usually present in a fantasy setting. Though, in some cases we had previous experience with this question in a star wars setting. "What happens when you parry someone's physical attack with your lightsaber"
Houserule wise, we figured if the thing used to parry did damage just by sheer contact (lightsaber, flaming sword, psiblade) then an attacker would take some damage if parried with said object. We usually went with half base dmg, no strength or additional bonuses. As it was a narrative damage description setting, you wouldn't say 'you parried his fist, and chopped his arm off' unless that parry 'damage' took the guy (NPC) to 0 or below in hp/md anyway.
For other stuff, like parrying with a sword, we said that unless you already had a skill that let you do parry-damage, just because you parried with the sword doesn't mean you did damage. It means you could have deflected it with the flat of your blade, the hilt, or the way you held your sword dissuaded the attacker from actually attacking in the first place.
If you parry with a sword that hurts the attacker, maybe you should add the attacker's strength bonus to the damage
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