We getting any teaser art for Masters SB?

Kryzbyn · Unread post by **Kryzbyn** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:37 pm

Well, are we?

Kryzbyn · Unread post by **Kryzbyn** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:56 pm

Ahh...didn't see those :oops:

Alpha 11 · Unread post by **Alpha 11** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:55 pm

Any word on the cover?

The Galactus Kid · Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:16 pm

I want an AJAX instead of the old hover tank. The ajax needs more love.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:29 pm

Gotta agree...the Hovertank may have gotten all the good face time, but the Ajax, like the Macross Destroids, deserves more love...

Wildfire · Unread post by **Wildfire** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:58 am

Then Marie should have saved Sean more and maybe it would have more love

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:54 am

Wildfire wrote:Then Marie should have saved Sean more and maybe it would have more love

Actually, she did. She blasted 3 Bioroid Invid Fighter's off of him in Mind Games.

Wildfire · Unread post by **Wildfire** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:02 pm

come on only 3 that not enough, besides sean was in threesomes all the time

and he and the boys could quote shakespear to boot

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:04 pm

Robot Urchin wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:Well, are we?

We have already had 3 art previews in various press releases.

Teaser art for red bioroid:
http://www.palladiumbooks.com/press/press2008-12a.html

Teaser art for hovertank:
http://www.palladiumbooks.com/press/press2008-11d.html

Teaser art for Fenris:
http://www.palladiumbooks.com/press/press2008-11c.html

See what I miss because of too much work....not that I am complaining...OK I am...but couldn't they have given us a couple of battloids instead of 2 mecha we all can see just by closing our eyes and thinking about them???

Don't get me wrong...the pic of the Fenris makes me feel kind of funny like when we used to climb the ropes in gym, but I am waiting to see how they will mess it up.

Lt. Holmes · Unread post by **Lt. Holmes** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:05 am

Wildfire wrote:Then Marie should have saved Sean more and maybe it would have more love

Maybe Marie should grace the next Rifter Swimsuit edition :mrgreen:

But if that happened, then we'd have to have Nova and Dana show up as well. I'd be crushed by that. Totally crushed.

Wildfire · Unread post by **Wildfire** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:47 pm

Why stop at Nova and Dana, get the bridge bunnies, Lisa and Rook in it too.
Especially Rook, on a cyclone

Shawn Merrow · Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:10 pm

The Galactus Kid wrote:I want an AJAX instead of the old hover tank. The ajax needs more love.

Your wish was granted.

MikelAmroni · Unread post by **MikelAmroni** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:10 am

OMG, that is GORGEOUS.

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:37 am

I see the previous post and raise it a Frakkin' Sweet!!!!!

is that the confirmed cover? and does this mean the AJACS will be flight capable in battloid???

Apollo Okamura · Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:51 am

That's the confirmed cover!! :-D

As for whether the AJACS can fly... I haven't the slightest idea! :lol:

Novastar · Unread post by **Novastar** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:02 am

Apollo Okamura wrote:That's the confirmed cover!!

As for whether the AJACS can fly... I haven't the slightest idea!

Good God that's a beautiful pic Apollo! :eek:

The sunset really sets the whole mood, too. Beautiful use of light.

Shawn Merrow · Unread post by **Shawn Merrow** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:40 am

Apollo Okamura wrote:That's the confirmed cover!!

As for whether the AJACS can fly... I haven't the slightest idea!

Very nice work. :ok:

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:25 am

Shawn Merrow wrote:
The Galactus Kid wrote:I want an AJAX instead of the old hover tank. The ajax needs more love.

Your wish was granted.

Booyah! AWESOME!

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:34 pm

Alright!
The AJACS gets its heroic shot!
And it's flying in atmosphere too!
That is one gorgeous cover, and it bodes well for the promised proper glory for the unsung mecha of Southern Cross! :ok:

(of course, it's outnumbered, the sun seems to be setting...and whose eyebrows are those at the top anyways?)

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:51 pm

Robot Urchin wrote:
taalismn wrote:Alright!
The AJACS gets its heroic shot!
And it's flying in atmosphere too!
That is one gorgeous cover, and it bodes well for the promised proper glory for the unsung mecha of Southern Cross!
(of course, it's outnumbered, the sun seems to be setting...and whose eyebrows are those at the top anyways?)

They are the eyebrows of a Robotech master. It is probably one of the leader triplets. No one can really say exactly which triplet though...

In SDC:SC, the names of the leader triplets are Demi, Dess and Dera. Robotech.com doesn't list the names of the leader triplets. Will their robotech names be mentioned in the Masters Saga book? Their names are never mentioned in the original Southern Cross RPG book.

The McKInney novels refer to them as Bowkaz, Shaizan, and Dag...they are not identified as such in the anime
The Guard Triumvirate are Karno, Sookol, and Darsis...They MIGHT have been referred to by name in the anime...
Dovak is a Scientist clone referred to in the novels...NONE of the cannon fodder upper echelon are identified by name in the anime...

Lt. Holmes · Unread post by **Lt. Holmes** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:29 pm

Wildfire wrote:Why stop at Nova and Dana, get the bridge bunnies, Lisa and Rook in it too.
Especially Rook, on a cyclone

Yes. Oh dear God yes! This. Must. Happen.

Lt. Holmes · Unread post by **Lt. Holmes** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:31 pm

Shawn Merrow wrote:
The Galactus Kid wrote:I want an AJAX instead of the old hover tank. The ajax needs more love.

Your wish was granted.

O... M... G...

:eek:

I used to think that Kevin Long's PB covers were the best. I'm now rethinking this position.

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:44 pm

Lt. Holmes wrote:O... M... G...

I used to think that Kevin Long's PB covers were the best. I'm now rethinking this position.

The new cover definitely oozes 'awesome', though I wonder if we'll get a b&w version of Kevin Long's original cover gracing the inside of the book.

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:58 pm

Shipping date for Master Book in this press release...

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/press/press2009-01b.html

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:15 pm

Robot Urchin wrote:[

Bowkaz? Bowkaz? Are you serious? I thought 80s anime character names were bad, but apparently 80s U.S. cartoon writers still had the market cornered. The SDC:SC names didn't make much sense, but some of these robotech names sound like keyboard mistakes. Maybe it's better if the Masters Saga book leaves the names out....

Having a name like Bowkaz, let alone 'Dag', might explain their anti-social attitudes...
"Master of forty million clones and a hundred solar systems, and why can't I have a properly cool name!? Something like Shard the Eviscerator!? Or Annihilus!? Or Buckaroo Banzai?!"
"Because that last one was taken....And 'Eviscerator' makes you sound like a professional wrestler...And you're not cool enough for Buckaroo Banzai..."

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:09 pm

No one is cool enough for Buckaroo Banzai

Novastar · Unread post by **Novastar** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:47 pm

Robot Urchin wrote:
Chris0013 wrote:No one is cool enough for Buckaroo Banzai

Not even Peter Weller?

Only as a Tribute.

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:24 pm

Robot Urchin wrote:
Chris0013 wrote:No one is cool enough for Buckaroo Banzai

Not even Peter Weller?

Peter Weller is Buckaroo Banzai....it is like his secret identity....the movie was a true story...

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqJ3iGBdOo

Colonel Wolfe · Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:25 pm

Robot Urchin wrote:Bowkaz? Bowkaz? Are you serious? I thought 80s anime character names were bad, but apparently 80s U.S. cartoon writers still had the market cornered. The SDC:SC names didn't make much sense, but some of these robotech names sound like keyboard mistakes. Maybe it's better if the Masters Saga book leaves the names out....

well, The names are form the Novels... not the Show.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:19 pm

Chris0013 wrote:
Robot Urchin wrote:
Chris0013 wrote:No one is cool enough for Buckaroo Banzai

Not even Peter Weller?

Peter Weller is Buckaroo Banzai....it is like his secret identity....the movie was a true story...

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqJ3iGBdOo

"I don't care if you DID drive through a mountain in New Mexico! This is New Jersey, and people wanna hear some music!"

Colonel Wolfe · Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:41 pm

it looks like Southren Cross isnt going to get the PReview-Art post like the Macross book got.... way back in Sept, they posted a Preview-thread and sticky'd it at the top.
Is Southren Cross ever gonna get a simmilar treatment?

Shawn Merrow · Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:14 pm

The latest press release had some more previews.

Action scenes

Pouncer · Unread post by **Pouncer** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:58 am

Shawn Merrow wrote:The latest press release had some more previews.

Action scenes

I got a kick out of how the VHTs' weapons pods were folded back off the shoulders, they almost look like wings.

-POUNCER

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:47 am

wow...more previews of mecha we have seen a million times....don;t get me wrong, I appreciate the sentiment but how about some pics of the SC battloids and power armor.

Lt. Holmes · Unread post by **Lt. Holmes** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:07 pm

Chris0013 wrote:wow...more previews of mecha we have seen a million times....don;t get me wrong, I appreciate the sentiment but how about some pics of the SC battloids and power armor.

Not only that, but some of this artwork seems to be scanned and greyscaled from the animation. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the artists put in lots of time to produce these pictures... but we've seen them before already.

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:42 pm

Pouncer wrote:I got a kick out of how the VHTs' weapons pods were folded back off the shoulders, they almost look like wings.

Its right in-line with the animation. Looks awesome! My hats off to the artists.

Spartas Battloid Mode scene from Prelude to Battle

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:25 pm

Nidaram12 wrote:The Ajax and Hovertank are so much cooler than they get credit for. I wish they'd make some new toys of either design... even poseable nontransforming figures. They look really dynamic in the anime.

Amen to that. Sadly, Toynami has essentially said 'No' to even make superposeables, something even people who basically dislike the middle chapter are finally beginning to say is completely unfair. Its also not good for business in my opinion. No one has made toys of these in the past and they could very well be highly in demand. The Ajax can come in two 'colours': standard black/white with red trim (officer's model) and standard black/white with ochre trim (NCO/Enlisted model). The Spartas would be in 3: red trim for Officer's, orchre trim for NCO's and white trim for Enlisted (and different heads for each, naturally). Logan superposeables would be gold w/orange trim for Officers, white w/orange trim for NCOs and pale blue w/dark blue trim for Enlisted.

So far, the Sylphide is only observed in white w/red trim (black accents for the feet)...probably for Officer's/NCOs, and white w/white & red trim (white accents for the feet) probably for Enlisted. Thats if you accept the idea that the Sylphide transforms (which dialogue says and for which there is alot of circumstantial evidence).

Of course, I would LOVE to get a few Rolling Thunder-style Spartas and Logan Superposeables! Fred Perry did an awesome job with the subdued colouration on the mecha.

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:18 pm

what would be sweet is all the mecha in the same scale...the cyclone presents a problem in this theory.

Apollo Okamura · Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:34 pm

What would be even sweeter is if they made Cyclones full-scale and operational!! :-D

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:04 pm

Apollo Okamura wrote:What would be even sweeter is if they made Cyclones full-scale and operational!!

Imagine how little trouble you would have in rush hour then :lol:

Lt. Holmes · Unread post by **Lt. Holmes** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:26 pm

To Majestic and Nick:

I meant no disrespect or insult with my comment :angel:

. I know you guys are doing lots of work on an insanly short timetable and it's all great (far, far better than the wonky stick figures that I'm capable of) but Rabid proved my point right here:

Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:Its right in-line with the animation.

Spartas Battloid Mode scene from Prelude to Battle

It's just that the artwork that I've seen isn't that different from what I've seen already from the animation or previous works. Macross was a particularly glaring example because the VF-1 entries had front and back shots... which are very similar to the drawings Kevin Long made for the original RPG. Similarly, some of the drawings were quite similar to the Arii model artwork. Perhaps I'm just being picky and want all new artwork that I've never seen before. :oops:

But all that aside, you guys are amazing artists. As I said, I'm incapable of making stick figures look like they should

Please keep up the good work and may your signatures grace many, many Robotech books in the coming years :ok:

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:20 pm

Nidaram12 wrote:I don't want to overstep my boundaries, but there's a few designs from Mike and I that are basically from scratch, drawn off of old animation turnarounds that looked like Virtual Boy stick models, and others that had entire sections missing. In the end the main goal was to update everything and apply some slick shading while making sure the art was reeled in enough to meet HG approval.

In my opinion, the 'lineart' style artwork should be reserved for books like the old REF Field Guide.

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:39 pm

Nidaram12 wrote:Are you thinking of a more painted style, like on the new covers Apollo did? That would be cool.

No, no. I mean 'wire-frame' lineart like you would typically find in an anime art book. The old REF Field Guide contained a great deal of lineart from Mospeada Color Graffiti as well as The Sentinels sheets. That sort of art, as opposed to the grey-scale/toned artwork, should be reserved for any new books made like the REF Field Guide. I love the toned artwork for the sourcebook because it just looks COOL. That was one of the really nice things about the old Macross II Deckplans series as it made the mecha come alive in black & white. Its the best thing outside of slick pages and high quality colour art in my opinion.

Unread post by **NMI** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:12 pm

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Tiree · Unread post by **Tiree** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:36 pm

Nice some action shots!

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:13 am

Ok, a few things caught my eye with the latest press release....

The Army of the Southern Cross™ – all 15 branches.
Veritech Hover Tanks, AJAX, Logan and more.
Four ASC Battloids plus the Golem robot.
Six suits of ASC power armor – never before seen.
Other ASC vehicles, body armor, jump packs, weapons & equipment.
The Robotech Masters, Tirolians, and spaceships and weapons.
Seven different Bioroids, Bioroid Hover Sled, weapons and more.
Tirolian villains and player characters.
History, background and world information.
Quick Roll ASC Character Creation Tables.
Infinite possibilities for adventure.
Manga size for easy portability (5x7½ inches).
Written by Jason Marker. Additional text by Kevin Siembieda.
Cover by Apollo Okamura.
Art by the Mannings, Majestic, Maradin and Okamura.
230+ pages (and may be expanded to as many as 256 pages) – $16.95 retail – Cat. No. 552.
Still on track to ship in February. In final production.

Hmmm.....The ASC doesn't have 15 branches. The ASC is the Army (as per dialogue from Metal Fire and reinforced by The Sentinels Script Book 2). While it does have its own Air Corps (referenced in Love Song), the TASC/TSC/CU are separate (they're the Air Force), the GMP is apparently separate (based on cues in the series and oddly enough from the Jack McKinney novels). The last is the Navy, which is unlikely to be part of the Army. So, I'm a little curious as to the '15 Branches' aspect. Furthermore, most of the specialized environmental troops are all part of the Tactical Corps itself.

No word on the Sylphide, so I'll take it that its been ruled against being a Veritech. Ah well.....

Four Battloids: Salamander, Monocle, Triton and Dryad plus the GMP's Golem Drone. Where is the GMP Garm piloted version? What about the Unicorn Battloid that the Southern Cross Colouring Book establishes as being the same height as the Bioroids?

As for the Powered Armour, I take it there will be differences? The Kraken is most certainly exoskeletal, but the others would be like the Ultimax from Rifts...sort of a blurring between Battloid and Powered Armour?

All 7 Bioroids this time? This could be interesting, as long as they're not made into non-combat models (since there is a drone 'pod' seen doing that kind of work). I would assume the 'unseen 2' are mecha of The Robotech Elders' forces.

Colonel Wolfe · Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:59 pm

oreillyrel wrote:
Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:Four Battloids: Salamander, Monocle, Triton and Dryad plus the GMP's Golem Drone. Where is the GMP Garm piloted version? What about the Unicorn Battloid that the Southern Cross Colouring Book establishes as being the same height as the Bioroids?

Along the same lines, the 1/48-scale Southern Cross model kits establish the Kraken (Navy) as being in the same height range as the Garm (GMP) and Satyros (Mountain).

http://zormaster.com/models/SC/ShizuokaP8.jpg
(right page, center photograph)

Lets not get this debate started.
people should agree to disagree and not try to correct another persons opinion in every thread.
Really, If i used mt Transfomer toys as Canon source for their Sizes... Bumble-bee would be 1/8 the size of Prime, even thou the Cartoon had them being closer in size.

Colonel Wolfe · Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:56 pm

oreillyrel wrote:
The key is that these are 1/48-scale models, not non-scale toys. They are at least as valid, if not more valid, as using a coloring book as sources.

I really don't care. in the End its gonna be HG who decided what and how things appear in the RPG. if they say its Power Armor, it is, if they say its a Battiloid it is. if they say its a suit of Body-Armor, it is. until the book come out its not know.
either way both products are Valid, being both were Approved by the Designers at one time or another.

Colonel Wolfe · Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:15 am

but its really Useless for the Same poster to come into every thread by RSCF or every post he makes just to tell him he is "Wrong" when the Offical Owner of the property isnt giving the Offical details.
one person uses a Model, one uses a cartoon book, its a useless debate, because neither own the actual property, nor have Creative design over it, and Debating over the Most ignored section of the Saga is great an all, but constantly telling another poster their Opinion is wrong is getting old, and it happens way to much on these board.

Unread post by **NMI** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:32 am

Play nice people or this thread will be locked!
:badbad: