Dagon wrote:i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.
Probably not pure enough.
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Dagon wrote:i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.
Lord_Coake wrote:I love Palladium vampires. They're probably the only monster where a pack of ten year olds with waterguns poses a significant threat.
OH MY GOD could you imagine if the urine was considered "good" enough for elemental purposes? Just think of all the water warlock possibilities and barring them the water elementals. Maybe a new mini-water elemental the urine elemental. Worse what happens when someone decides to use some elemental spell to boil water... in your bladderAaryq wrote:I searched keywords and couldn't find it. But I could have sworn someone posted this before. That being said, I believe that the key responses were:
1. Since it's not pure water, in the elemental sense, it wouldn't hurt them
2. It would hurt them but at half damage because it's not pure (disregarding the elemental aspect)
3. It may or may not hurt him, but before you could even pinch it off and grab you're stake, you'd probably have a massive bite wound on your...privates.
4. SAID IN JEST Why would you ask a question like that!? World Book X on Page Y on Paragraph Z in Sentence Q says "Bull crap, bla bla, vampires, yadda yadda." If you know every sentence in every book that I own you would know the answer to that question. flame flame flame (remember friends, this last one was a joke, not making fun of anyone or trying to start a flame war...just a bunch of funniness)
5. I've never tried that...you've inspired me to try that in my next vamp campaign
Dude if when you drain your lizard it fires as far as a super soaker... well you may want to find out if your eroding your urethraAlejandro wrote:If you are properly hydrated to the point where your urine is clear when you're letting loose, then YES...you have both the pressure and purity needed to hurt a vampire. If a child's squirtgun with tapwater poses a lethal threat to a vampire, then you're purple-headed yogurt slinger with a full tank poses an equal threat.
Dagon wrote:i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.
Sureshot wrote:Listen you young whippersnappers in my day we had to walk for 15 no 30 miles to the nearest game barefoot both ways. We had real books not PDFS and we carried them on carts we pulled ourselves that we built by hand. We had Thaco and we were happy. If we needed dice we carved ours out of wood. Petrified wood just because we could.
Zer0 Kay wrote:That is like asking if a vampire is in a pool of stagnant water (not taking damage) and something falls into the pool suddenly moving all of it... I don't know like a robot or a large bolder, would it then take damage from the stagnant water that is now moving? Or if a Vampire is in a container that is filled with water but because the water isn't moving, it isn't receiving damage, does it then receive damage if that container is placed on the back of a truck and driven around . OK well less like the second and more like the first.
Daniel Stoker wrote:Zer0 Kay wrote:That is like asking if a vampire is in a pool of stagnant water (not taking damage) and something falls into the pool suddenly moving all of it... I don't know like a robot or a large bolder, would it then take damage from the stagnant water that is now moving? Or if a Vampire is in a container that is filled with water but because the water isn't moving, it isn't receiving damage, does it then receive damage if that container is placed on the back of a truck and driven around . OK well less like the second and more like the first.
I actually asked something close to that a while back.
Daniel Stoker
C.R.A.F.T. wrote:Purity of water has never really been discussed: how many ppm can you have in a volume of water before it decreases its lethality?
I would say to the original question: yes.
Dagon wrote:i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.
TechnoGothic wrote:Dagon wrote:i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.
IF you Bless it maybe
TechnoGothic wrote:Dagon wrote:i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.
IF you Bless it maybe
Spark wrote:This begs the question, when are priests going to be so desperate for water they start blessing urine?
Tamaranis wrote:If urine can't hurt a vampire because it can't be pure enough then water weapons will be useless against them in a thick dustcloud.
Koz wrote:The whole "squirt guns hurt vampires" thing is something I hated way back in the day when I first played this game. It's just so... stupid. I will not allow this in my new game (didn't allow it back in the day either). Squirt guns filled with holy water though? Rock on.
Koz
Koz wrote:The whole "squirt guns hurt vampires" thing is something I hated way back in the day when I first played this game. It's just so... stupid. I will not allow this in my new game (didn't allow it back in the day either). Squirt guns filled with holy water though? Rock on.
Koz
Koz wrote:Killer Cyborg wrote:Koz wrote:The whole "squirt guns hurt vampires" thing is something I hated way back in the day when I first played this game. It's just so... stupid. I will not allow this in my new game (didn't allow it back in the day either). Squirt guns filled with holy water though? Rock on.
Koz
I've never understood why one would be considered to be any more or less silly than the other.
Well, because holy water actually makes sense based on vampire myth. Vampires of myth could not cross running water without help, the myths don't say anything about vampires not being able to touch running water. There is nothing in vampire myth that would indicate that throwing a glass of water at a vampire, or shooting one with a squirt gun filled with tap water, would have any effect on them whatsoever. However, holy water is a common weakness of vampires in pretty much all vampire lore, hence why I don't have a problem with it.
Saying that since vampires can't cross running water, then squirt guns hurt them, is just stretching the myths beyond the breaking point IMO and seems very silly on its face.
Koz
Natasha wrote:Water destroys ethereal structures, which vampires originally were, and why they couldn't come into contact with water. It would simply wash them into nonexistance.
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Dagon wrote:i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.
Darkorinth wrote:I know what my answer would be if one of my player's asked.
"Try it and find out?"
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Hotrod wrote:(Thread Necromancy: 2013 Halloween Edition)
If it's a god taking the leak, will it do damage as holy water?
Sureshot wrote:Listen you young whippersnappers in my day we had to walk for 15 no 30 miles to the nearest game barefoot both ways. We had real books not PDFS and we carried them on carts we pulled ourselves that we built by hand. We had Thaco and we were happy. If we needed dice we carved ours out of wood. Petrified wood just because we could.
DtMK wrote:I still like my idea. Holy Poo-Poo! Holy Poo-Poo! C'mon, I at least see one inebriated Preacher on Rifts Earth trying it in desperation...
Dagon wrote:i was just wondering if u take a leak on a vampire will it do damage? think about its water.
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Perhaps I'm a vagabond with the APS power of Stretching which makes me MDC so I won't get 1-shotted by a vampire.Blue_Lion wrote:Ok Why the would you want to expose that part of your body to something that can do lots of damage.
Blue_Lion wrote:Not to mention you just uncovered a major artery for the vampire to bite to suck you blood.
Blue_Lion wrote:Acording to the official FAQ in 9 1/2 it the only thing spiting on or taking a leak on does to a vampire is get it really upset at you.
Tor wrote:Perhaps I'm a vagabond with the APS power of Stretching which makes me MDC so I won't get 1-shotted by a vampire.Blue_Lion wrote:Ok Why the would you want to expose that part of your body to something that can do lots of damage.
Perhaps my power allows me an extreme amount of versatility from where I can project myself and aim my attack, such as extending it up and over the vampires, perhaps even curving behind them?
Perhaps I also have a super power which provides me and all my respective parts an auto-dodge?
Perhaps I have that Anatomical Independence minor power from PU1 which allows me to separate parts of myself and send them hundreds of feet away, able to operate independently, and which allows me to regrow them within days if they are destroyed?Blue_Lion wrote:Not to mention you just uncovered a major artery for the vampire to bite to suck you blood.
Solution: have a priest bless your beverages prior to drinking them for weeks prior to the encounter so that all the liquid you would be expelling would be holy.
There might be some other alternative priestly approaches to effect this solution post-drinking but it may not be popular to go into those means here.Blue_Lion wrote:Acording to the official FAQ in 9 1/2 it the only thing spiting on or taking a leak on does to a vampire is get it really upset at you.
According to viewtopic.php?f=4&t=77496 nothing in Rifter 9.5 was official.
Regarding the first question in the PF+Misc secton on page 19, answers by J.P. Ferkelberger are not canon. He is simply a character portrayed by Julius Rosenstein.
If we treat this answer as canon then we must be extension also treat Giga-Damage as canon since Percy Ferkelberger (portrayed by Bill Coffin) mentions being able to use it on page 20 in the same FAQ.
Tor wrote:I'm referring to the first post in that thread, by NMI. Things in the Rifters which are considered official have a big <OFFICIAL> next to them. Rifter 9.5 lacks this for all its entries.
Other FAQs and errata published in the Rifter which are canon (and are duplicated in the Rifts or HU GMGs in many cases) have this tag next to them.
Where does it say that blessing ends when water is drunk? A bit unclear on expiration policies on holy water, not a very fleshed out area. Like for example, if I make tea out of boiled holy water, is it now unholy? Some see teas as very cleansing.
While it's true that most modern cultures see urine as unclean, some cultures also see it as a tonic. I mean, just think of friends, when Chandler pees on Monica's foot to cure a jellyfish sting. Scientifically this is counterindicated, but this isn't about science, it's about BELIEF
To be fair here, a vampire would probably need to make a called shot to hit a small target like that. Also someone need not expose themselves at all to a vampire.
This concept can expand outside-the-box, this isn't about warm from-the-source evacuated liquidity, but also more controlled situations. Like say, for example, if one opted to pee in a bottle (as one does in road trips if one doesn't want to stop, probably common if you're being chased by vampires) one might instead opt to whiz in a squirtgun ammo tank. Then one could use the gun as normal without having to expose oneself to one's enemies at all.
I connect your 'pee-doesn't-hurt-vampires' FAQ to Giga-Damage because they are from the same book, and Giga-Damage is mentioned in the FAQ, in the same section (Misc Topics), merely a page apart.
We have two Ferkelbergers to consider. J.P. wrote the vampire part (he wrote the section overall so anything not otherwise attributed is from him) and Peter wrote the Gigadamage part. In the back, JP = Julius Rosenstein and Peter = Bill Coffin. The identities are pretty clear, not sure what you're talking about here. I never said Percy was JP, Percy (Kevin) is immaterial to our discussion since he did not write this FAQ.
The end is very clear "everything in this issue" .. "None of it is true". So if we're to say pee doesn't hurt vamps, we need some other source for canon. Perhaps it's in the online errata?
We don't know what environment vampires originated in or its practices. In terms of Palladium, that is.Blue_Lion wrote:There may be cultures that see it as tonic, but vampires where not developed in such a environment.
Where can I read more about these sea vampires?Blue_Lion wrote:In fact sea vampires do not have that weakness, probably because they were originally based on a culture lore that lacked that, or the intelligence awakened on a plain that lacked that.
I dunno, still seems like water to me, just with some stuff dissolved in it. Is a cup of seawater not water because there's salt dissolved in it? Is mineral water no longer water due to minerals? I think we need some kind of concentration % to judge when water lacks the required purity, otherwise no water could ever be perfectly pure.Blue_Lion wrote:Simple holy water is water when it stops being water it stops being holy water. If you boil it into tea it is no longer water
What if I am a priest for a god who likes tea? What if, much like catholics drink wine for communion, my god demands I must drink tea?Blue_Lion wrote:holy water is suppose to represent a blessed substance that is connected by its culture with clean, so a blessed clean substance tea on the other hand seams to me would not be such.
Whether or not it would be viewed as descration I think depends on the religion and the deity in question. Based on some of the habits of Tolmet and other sadistic darkness gods, I doubt they'd have much of a problem with it.Blue_Lion wrote:the act of consuming holy water is and turning it into pee seams like desecration removing holy power.
That's different, because it's not the overall composition of an object that counts, but whether or not the surface that makes contact is. Vampires aren't hurt by water balloons unless they break, and humans are basically water balloons.Blue_Lion wrote:To me this is like saying well the human body is mostly water if I punch a vampire does it take damage.
You CAN use artificial sunlight, it's just not as effective. Not UV, but stuff like Globe of Daylight or Guardians' light powers.glitterboy2098 wrote:vampire weaknesses are more alchemical than chemical..based more on magical/supernatural/spiritual traits, not atoms and such. otherwise it would not have to be moving water, or you could use reflected/artificial sunlight, etc.
That's good to consider for mystic china, but alchemy hasn't been mentioned in association with vampires as far as I know.glitterboy2098 wrote:Urine is not the same as water in alchemy (Alchemists used it to extract Alkahest, a white powder also known as volatile alkali, a potent material with many alchemical uses, and one of the ingredients to a philosopher's stone according to some Alchemists.) Water was a totally different fluid by the quasi-magical standards of that discipline.
I'm not equating them, what I'm saying is that no water is purely H20. They all have dissolved contaminants along for the ride, and urea and the like are just one of many possibilities here. Mineral water and sea water aren't water either, since minerals and salt are not H20.glitterboy2098 wrote:and frankly, by any rational standards you can't equate the two.
We already established that you could just use it to refill your water guns (good way to recycle) which would be more effective than direct urination anyway.glitterboy2098 wrote:so no, taking a leak on a vamp is not going to hurt it.. it'll just be really mad, and way too close to a particularly fragile region of the body.