REF Field Guide: Ground Mobile Unit (GMU)

KSN · Unread post by **KSN** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:18 pm

Possibilities of this being Grandfathered into RT:TSC ??

Thoughts?

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:20 pm

Not likely as Tommy has effectively removed all that is from the Sentinels and will be HIGHLY unlikely to allow anything from Sentinels to make it's way into ANY product that is Robotech related.

KSN · Unread post by **KSN** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:26 pm

jaymz wrote:Not likely as Tommy has effectively removed all that is from the Sentinels and will be HIGHLY unlikely to allow anything from Sentinels to make it's way into ANY product that is Robotech related.

Hmm that's pretty harsh for a non-mecha original work from Paladium.

But I'm hesitant to kill the thread by simply agreeing (despite the realities behind your observation)

Its just hard to grasp why original work that is non mecha would even matter??

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:28 pm

KSN wrote:
jaymz wrote:Not likely as Tommy has effectively removed all that is from the Sentinels and will be HIGHLY unlikely to allow anything from Sentinels to make it's way into ANY product that is Robotech related.

Hmm that's pretty harsh for a non-mecha original work from Paladium.

But I'm hesitant to kill the thread by simply agreeing (despite the realities behind your observation)

Its just hard to grasp why original work that is non mecha would even matter??

Because it isn;t orignal work from palladium they received art from HG for sentinels in order to make what they made. The only original material was in Strike Force, Lancers Rockers and The Return of the Masters.

The reason it matters is because Palladium's hands are tied as to what IS and ISN'T allowed. THAT determination is made by HG alone sadly.

KSN · Unread post by **KSN** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:51 pm

I hadn't realized that the GMU art wasn't done in house at PB...

But if you keep making so much sense I'm gonna run out of replies

But it makes me concerned that there won't be enough continuity in cannon vehicles for the RT:TSC. I mean I see Marine OCCs in TSC source book but Battroids and Vehicles are limited.

I recall all the support craft in the original publications, and am sad to see that some relevant ones are missing.

And I agree about HG... Even in my teens I was bothered by how it 'seemes' HG works against the RT IP...

An Anti-Motivational poster form a Macross fan site for Medocrity had a pick of Robotech... It was hard not to agree...

(I miss my old RT RPG book colection)

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:00 pm

KSN wrote:I hadn't realized that the GMU art wasn't done in house at PB...

But if you keep making so much sense I'm gonna run out of replies

But it makes me concerned that there won't be enough continuity in cannon vehicles for the RT:TSC. I mean I see Marine OCCs in TSC source book but Battroids and Vehicles are limited.

I recall all the support craft in the original publications, and am sad to see that some relevant ones are missing.

And I agree about HG... Even in my teens I was bothered by how it 'seemes' HG works against the RT IP...

An Anti-Motivational poster form a Macross fan site for Medocrity had a pick of Robotech... It was hard not to agree...

(I miss my old RT RPG book colection)

well ther eis more and more Mospeada (New Gen) and SDSC (Southern Cross) art popping up all teh time. IN fact there was an excellent PDF linked on the boards for the Imai files. A tone of pre production art and sketches for Mospeada. I have stated a cvoupleof the cyclone types but then again I am restating all things robotech since I REALLY dislike the official stats.

Tiree · Unread post by **Tiree** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:06 pm

The GMU IIRC was supposed to be part of a toyline.

KSN · Unread post by **KSN** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:09 pm

Ah like underpowered Monster Mk II stats?

406mm Cannons should not just be a can opener solution IMO

Just saying http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BB6 ... de_USN.jpg

with Reflex Warheads. IS NOT an SDC firing solution!

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:20 pm

KSN wrote:Ah like underpowered Monster Mk II stats?

406mm Cannons should not just be a can opener solution IMO

Just saying http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BB6 ... de_USN.jpg

with Reflex Warheads. IS NOT an SDC firing solution!

That is but one of MANY issues I have with PB stats for Robotech.

KSN · Unread post by **KSN** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:40 pm

jaymz wrote:
KSN wrote:Ah like underpowered Monster Mk II stats?

406mm Cannons should not just be a can opener solution IMO

Just saying http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BB6 ... de_USN.jpg

with Reflex Warheads. IS NOT an SDC firing solution!

That is but one of MANY issues I have with PB stats for Robotech.

Natural 20 says you may rant doing double damage (would love to hear an overview)

PS ( my concern lies in the OVERKILL aspect where some players go BEYOND scifi rpg reason in the stats the come up with... So canon books are good to reign in that penchant IMO )

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:37 pm

KSN wrote:
jaymz wrote:
KSN wrote:Ah like underpowered Monster Mk II stats?

406mm Cannons should not just be a can opener solution IMO

Just saying http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BB6 ... de_USN.jpg

with Reflex Warheads. IS NOT an SDC firing solution!

That is but one of MANY issues I have with PB stats for Robotech.

Natural 20 says you may rant doing double damage (would love to hear an overview)

PS ( my concern lies in the OVERKILL aspect where some players go BEYOND scifi rpg reason in the stats the come up with... So canon books are good to reign in that penchant IMO )

ACtually while my wepoan damages in most cases are higher.... (full sized mecha weapons et al) they are not grossly so and mecha can survive a hit or two if not more. I just think VFs are to tough for what they are. destroids weren;t far off but weapon damages were way to low in many cases. I also like to have consistency.

IE the UP-37 of the Cyclone does more damage than EP-13 and has the same range. Tell me again why they aren;t using THIS instead of the EP-13? Or for that mattter why are they using a pop gun like the EP-13 in the first place? It suck and can;t take out a cyclone let alone an Invid.

Chris · Unread post by **Chris** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:45 pm

KSN wrote:Possibilities of this being Grandfathered into RT:TSC ??

Thoughts?

I've added them in, as well a smaller more nimble 'Scout Version' that I find handles a smaller party better. Less overhead for the GM is always a good thing. http://shadowchroniclesrpg.wikidot.com/mecha [MTS-Artemis tab]

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:50 pm

Chris wrote:
KSN wrote:Possibilities of this being Grandfathered into RT:TSC ??

Thoughts?

I've added them in, as well a smaller more nimble 'Scout Version' that I find handles a smaller party better. Less overhead for the GM is always a good thing. http://shadowchroniclesrpg.wikidot.com/mecha [MTS-Artemis tab]

Yeah I have your site bookmarked. Nice stuff there to be sure.

Chris · Unread post by **Chris** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:58 pm

jaymz wrote:
Chris wrote:
KSN wrote:Possibilities of this being Grandfathered into RT:TSC ??

Thoughts?

I've added them in, as well a smaller more nimble 'Scout Version' that I find handles a smaller party better. Less overhead for the GM is always a good thing. http://shadowchroniclesrpg.wikidot.com/mecha [MTS-Artemis tab]

Yeah I have your site bookmarked. Nice stuff there to be sure.

Really? Thanks ^_^

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:21 pm

Chris wrote:
jaymz wrote:
Chris wrote:
KSN wrote:Possibilities of this being Grandfathered into RT:TSC ??

Thoughts?

I've added them in, as well a smaller more nimble 'Scout Version' that I find handles a smaller party better. Less overhead for the GM is always a good thing. http://shadowchroniclesrpg.wikidot.com/mecha [MTS-Artemis tab]

Yeah I have your site bookmarked. Nice stuff there to be sure.

Really? Thanks ^_^

You say that as if my opinion actually carries any weight to it :lol:

Arnie100 · Unread post by **Arnie100** » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:33 pm

Chris wrote:
Really? Thanks ^_^

I especially loved your versions of the VF-13 and the Super Shadow Alpha!

With your VF-13, with the lack of Protoculture, I just had the designers go back to the use of SLMH engines!

keir451 · Unread post by **keir451** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:51 am

Chris wrote:
KSN wrote:Possibilities of this being Grandfathered into RT:TSC ??

Thoughts?

I've added them in, as well a smaller more nimble 'Scout Version' that I find handles a smaller party better. Less overhead for the GM is always a good thing. http://shadowchroniclesrpg.wikidot.com/mecha [MTS-Artemis tab]

Aboot frikkin time (not yer fault) LOVE THE GEAR will wind up using it for certain.

Chris · Unread post by **Chris** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:13 am

jaymz wrote:You say that as if my opinion actually carries any weight to it

Well, I am technically one of the forum newbs.

Arnie100 wrote:I especially loved your versions of the VF-13 and the Super Shadow Alpha! With your VF-13, with the lack of Protoculture, I just had the designers go back to the use of SLMH engines!

Thank you! It took me forever to find a hi-res picture of the VF-13, I just couldn't post any home grown stats until I found it. I agree about the engine, I'm thinking of a hybrid power-plant, now we can all fly and fight in our own Space-Prius. :roll:

keir451 wrote:Aboot frikkin time (not yer fault) LOVE THE GEAR will wind up using it for certain.

Thank you. I appreciate it. :-D

KSN · Unread post by **KSN** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:46 am

I out Newbz ya!

slade the sniper · Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:18 pm

Chris wrote:
KSN wrote:Possibilities of this being Grandfathered into RT:TSC ??

Thoughts?

I've added them in, as well a smaller more nimble 'Scout Version' that I find handles a smaller party better. Less overhead for the GM is always a good thing. http://shadowchroniclesrpg.wikidot.com/mecha [MTS-Artemis tab]

Bookmarked and incorporated! Thanks!

-STS

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:23 pm

Chris wrote:
KSN wrote:Possibilities of this being Grandfathered into RT:TSC ??

Thoughts?

I've added them in, as well a smaller more nimble 'Scout Version' that I find handles a smaller party better. Less overhead for the GM is always a good thing. http://shadowchroniclesrpg.wikidot.com/mecha [MTS-Artemis tab]

"No! We are NOT calling it the 'Mystery Machine', and quit calling the Karbarrean sapper 'Shaggy' and the Garudan scout 'Scooby'!!!"

Chris · Unread post by **Chris** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:36 pm

taalismn wrote:
Chris wrote:
KSN wrote:Possibilities of this being Grandfathered into RT:TSC ??

Thoughts?

I've added them in, as well a smaller more nimble 'Scout Version' that I find handles a smaller party better. Less overhead for the GM is always a good thing. http://shadowchroniclesrpg.wikidot.com/mecha [MTS-Artemis tab]

"No! We are NOT calling it the 'Mystery Machine', and quit calling the Karbarrean sapper 'Shaggy' and the Garudan scout 'Scooby'!!!"

Well, you have to admit that who ever you call Velma and Daphne are gonna be in those skin tight flight suits...so it's not ALL bad...

Arnie100 · Unread post by **Arnie100** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:02 pm

taalismn wrote:
"No! We are NOT calling it the 'Mystery Machine', and quit calling the Karbarrean sapper 'Shaggy' and the Garudan scout 'Scooby'!!!"

"And don't you even think about painting it green with flowers all over it or I'll have you in the brig!"

Pouncer · Unread post by **Pouncer** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:45 am

I'm still trying to rework my GMUs, more along the lines of an artillery support vehicle then the kind of mobile fortress they were supposed to be. I'm figuring if the Invid in Invasion could develop a plasma based artillery piece for their scouts then humans could have done the same for the GMU. This makes it more of a stand off design with it's small mecha compliment and limitted short range weapons meant to defend it while it does it's work.

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:54 am

Pouncer wrote:I'm still trying to rework my GMUs, more along the lines of an artillery support vehicle then the kind of mobile fortress they were supposed to be. I'm figuring if the Invid in Invasion could develop a plasma based artillery piece for their scouts then humans could have done the same for the GMU. This makes it more of a stand off design with it's small mecha compliment and limitted short range weapons meant to defend it while it does it's work.

Um, what Invid Plasma Artillery Piece are you talking about?

Pouncer · Unread post by **Pouncer** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:32 am

jaymz wrote:
Pouncer wrote:I'm still trying to rework my GMUs, more along the lines of an artillery support vehicle then the kind of mobile fortress they were supposed to be. I'm figuring if the Invid in Invasion could develop a plasma based artillery piece for their scouts then humans could have done the same for the GMU. This makes it more of a stand off design with it's small mecha compliment and limitted short range weapons meant to defend it while it does it's work.

Um, what Invid Plasma Artillery Piece are you talking about?

In the Invasion video game, the same place our friend the Overlord comes from, you face Invid Fighter Scouts that have a trio of long barelled, balistic artillery weapons on their backs.

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:24 pm

Chris wrote:I've added them in, as well a smaller more nimble 'Scout Version' that I find handles a smaller party better. Less overhead for the GM is always a good thing. http://shadowchroniclesrpg.wikidot.com/mecha [MTS-Artemis tab]

You have a great site, I have added it to my favorites and I will likely use some of your stuff myself.

Chris · Unread post by **Chris** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:42 pm

Thank you. I appreciate it.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:08 pm

We gotta have an offsite 'Pimp My Old GMU' contest or something....fan versions of the GMU, or take-offs on the same...
Take an old GMU and teach it new tricks...chop it, revv it, pimp it, and drive it out! Rescue it from the scrapheap.

Chris · Unread post by **Chris** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:26 pm

taalismn wrote:We gotta have an offsite 'Pimp My Old GMU' contest or something....fan versions of the GMU, or take-offs on the same...
Take an old GMU and teach it new tricks...chop it, revv it, pimp it, and drive it out! Rescue it from the scrapheap.

It's got spinners! Spinners!!!

I know you like the PS2, so we put one in your GMU, now you can PS2 in your GMU!

Chris · Unread post by **Chris** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:27 pm

josephddm wrote:Here another fan of your work, congrats!!!.

Thank you ^_^

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:55 pm

Chris wrote:
taalismn wrote:We gotta have an offsite 'Pimp My Old GMU' contest or something....fan versions of the GMU, or take-offs on the same...
Take an old GMU and teach it new tricks...chop it, revv it, pimp it, and drive it out! Rescue it from the scrapheap.

It's got spinners! Spinners!!!

I know you like the PS2, so we put one in your GMU, now you can PS2 in your GMU!

I'm thinking electric blue LED undercarriage lights myself, a welded chain steering wheel, and a jet assist off a Horizont.

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:37 am

don t for get the disco ball and night club speakers in the mecha hanger with roll out mini bar.

Chris · Unread post by **Chris** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:16 pm

josephddm wrote:And a couple of VR-041H as "Gorillas" on the entrance(NO humanity slavers allowed) .Nor giant sized drunken Zentrans.

Hydraulics for the bounce and a 'La Cucaracha' horn. :bandit:

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:03 pm

Naked Praxian mudflaps, of course.
Enough chrome to make it laser-relective.

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:18 am

add in the fuzzy dice and leather covered seats.

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:53 am

Personally, I think the GMU should be revamped ala its Zillion iteration the Land Carrid. It should have a modular frame, though greatly reduced in size and most certainly NOT a mecha transport (excepting maybe small mecha like Cyclones, hovercycles etc). It would serve as a Brigade Combat Team's mobile base and could have modular sections devoted more to medical, logistics etc. While I do think the MTS-Artemis (which is from Gall Force Earth Chapter) is a great example of how a revamped GMU should look, I'm more than a tad bit leary of using actual non-Robotech sketches for anything BUT a reference of aesthetic. I also think the MME Mothership from Rhea Gall Force/Earth Chapter is a great example of how a revamped Invid Scorpion Troop carrier should look.

MME Mothership 1

MME Mothership 2

MME Mothership 3

MME Mothership 4

MME Mothership 5

MME Mothership 6

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:16 pm

That is one seriously ugly looking piece of hardware...looks like a Zeon Mobile Armor that got beaten with an Ugly Stick shortly after birth and was raised in a mech-brothel in the bad part of the internet(where the viruses are thick and the firewalls non-existant).

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:50 pm

taalismn wrote:That is one seriously ugly looking piece of hardware.

True, but its an enemy unit. I don't think it being visually pleasing is necessary. :wink:

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:49 pm

josephddm wrote:An enemy unit, from who?

The MME group from Rhea Gall Force which are essentially biomechanical 'creatures' using the ancient Paranoid DNA (Gall Force's sort-of Invid). I noticed a while back that it was vaguely in the same shape and vein as the Regent's Scorpion Carrier so it made me wonder. ARTMIC was most certainly aware of Robotech since the B-Club ARTMIC Design Works even has a blurb on Robotech AND a pic of an Invid Scout from The Sentinels IIRC.

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:16 pm

I think it would be great for Invid, as it does have the Regents Scorpion carriers feel. I miss that vessel.

now i have another anime to go look for.

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:26 pm

I like the concept of the GMU....a mobile command center that can be dropped from orbit to coordinate a ground assault but would make some changes to it....primarily the main gun would have to be able to have a better field of fire and be able to do indirect fire like modern artillery.

Chris · Unread post by **Chris** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:38 pm

Chris0013 wrote:I like the concept of the GMU....a mobile command center that can be dropped from orbit to coordinate a ground assault but would make some changes to it....primarily the main gun would have to be able to have a better field of fire and be able to do indirect fire like modern artillery.

Due to the sheer size of them I have them deployed underneath an up armored Garfish that holds the GMU in place of the hanger pod.

Pouncer · Unread post by **Pouncer** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:13 am

Chris0013 wrote:I like the concept of the GMU....a mobile command center that can be dropped from orbit to coordinate a ground assault but would make some changes to it....primarily the main gun would have to be able to have a better field of fire and be able to do indirect fire like modern artillery.

That's the vein I'm going with on my GMU, which I haven't quite statted up fully yet, it's a mobile command center with it's main gun able to alternate between dirrect anti-air and indirrect artillery modes, with the range to be useful. It's onboard mecha/cyclone compliment is meant mearly to defend the GMU, it just can't carry enough for other purposes most of the time.

-POUNCER

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:20 am

i think the indirect fire for the GMU would be good, and having it able to be transported by Garfish is a great idea. i think that was how they were transport in the sentinel novels.

i am not sure they really need to be able to transport mecha any more since they seemed to have elimanted the destroids. but you could keep the hanger around for field repairs of the mecha that go with the moble command base.

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:57 am

Lt Gargoyle wrote:having it able to be transported by Garfish is a great idea. i think that was how they were transport in the sentinel novels

Nope. The novels & comics had a special dropship transport just for the GMU.

GMU Dropship

GMU Dropship

Even crazier is the fact that according to the script for The Sentinels eps. #5: The Battle for Fantoma is the fact that 6 Alpha's act as tugs for the GMU to descend into Tirol's atmosphere.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:56 pm

Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:
Lt Gargoyle wrote:having it able to be transported by Garfish is a great idea. i think that was how they were transport in the sentinel novels

Nope. The novels & comics had a special dropship transport just for the GMU.

GMU Dropship

GMU Dropship

Even crazier is the fact that according to the script for The Sentinels eps. #5: The Battle for Fantoma is the fact that 6 Alpha's act as tugs for the GMU to descend into Tirol's atmosphere.

Looks kinda like the Garuda from the Zeta Gundam epiosdes. Flying brick with garage space.

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:07 am

josephddm wrote:If you don't want a transport exclusively for the GMU he can land in a planet by his own, remember that the GMU has flight capabilities and if I remember it properly can achieve a Mach 1 speed in space, also can fly in an atmosphere. So is said in the Sentinels RPG. You only need to recover it with and Horizont transport with no docked Alpha and Beta or build a TREAD or disposable rocket sled deployed in a Horizont shuttle for the TITAN GMU.

in the novels the GMU could not escape an atmosphere under its own power.

Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:
Lt Gargoyle wrote:having it able to be transported by Garfish is a great idea. i think that was how they were transport in the sentinel novels

Nope. The novels & comics had a special dropship transport just for the GMU.

GMU Dropship

GMU Dropship

Even crazier is the fact that according to the script for The Sentinels eps. #5: The Battle for Fantoma is the fact that 6 Alpha's act as tugs for the GMU to descend into Tirol's atmosphere.

thank you, it has been along time since i have read the novels so i did not remember the discriptions of them. just that they had them.

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:20 pm

josephddm wrote:
Lt Gargoyle wrote:
josephddm wrote:If you don't want a transport exclusively for the GMU he can land in a planet by his own, remember that the GMU has flight capabilities and if I remember it properly can achieve a Mach 1 speed in space, also can fly in an atmosphere. So is said in the Sentinels RPG. You only need to recover it with and Horizont transport with no docked Alpha and Beta or build a TREAD or disposable rocket sled deployed in a Horizont shuttle for the TITAN GMU.

in the novels the GMU could not escape an atmosphere under its own power.

I know it, all I said was that the GMU could LAND in his own power NOT to take off and reach a mach 6 speed to breach an atmosphere. Of course if a planet or a cellestial body lacks of sufficient atmosphere(like our Moon) the GMU can enter and leave the body without problem.

I am not sure it could. I understand it has a limited flying capability of like 500 feet with its thrusters kicked on. but dropping from a high orbit I have some doubts as to its ability to slow its self down enough as not to create a large smoldering hole.
why have a drop ship for the vessel if it could drop itself?

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:35 pm

taalismn wrote:Looks kinda like the Garuda from the Zeta Gundam epiosdes. Flying brick with garage space.

Yea, it does. That was possibly the inspiration since I'm willing to bet that this vehicle was among those created for The Sentinels anime. Either that or Jason & John Waltrip were fans of Zeta Gundam and sprung upon the idea of basing the Robotech dropship on the Garuda.