Carpet of Adhesion vs. D-Phase Question

[strtkwr]

OK, had a question come up in our Rifts game this afternoon. If my Temporal Wizard is hit with a Carpet of Adhesion, can he use his D-phase spell to get out of it? The D-phase spell allows my caster to move through solid objects, so we think it should, but what everyone's thoughts on the matter.

Thanks!

[TheGameMaster]

OK, had a question come up in our Rifts game this afternoon. If my Temporal Wizard is hit with a Carpet of Adhesion, can he use his D-phase spell to get out of it? The D-phase spell allows my caster to move through solid objects, so we think it should, but what everyone's thoughts on the matter.

Thanks!

Sounds reasonable to me. D-Phase makes him basicaly intangeable right(correct me if I'm wrong) so the carpet should have no effect then.

[Grand Paladin]

OK, had a question come up in our Rifts game this afternoon. If my Temporal Wizard is hit with a Carpet of Adhesion, can he use his D-phase spell to get out of it? The D-phase spell allows my caster to move through solid objects, so we think it should, but what everyone's thoughts on the matter.

Thanks!

Sounds reasonable to me. D-Phase makes him basicaly intangeable right(correct me if I'm wrong) so the carpet should have no effect then.

Agreed. And although movement is reduced while phased, it still should be enough to escape a CoA.

[drewkitty ~..~]

nope, is still stuck.
D-phase is not intangibility, it just lets the target move through solid objects.
CoA is not a physical object.

[cornholioprime]

nope, is still stuck.
D-phase is not intangibility, it just lets the target move through solid objects.
CoA is not a physical object.

Actually, the Carpet of Adhesion IS effectively a summoned/conjured physical object with no stated magical capabilities whatsoever (see Rifts: Book of Magic, page 99).

Now, if one wants to debate whether or not the magic fibers of the Magic Net spell (Rifts: Book of Magic, page 101) will restrain a D-phasing character -since according to the Phase World book Phase Powers can't go through magical or technological barriers (force fields in the latter instance), then that's a separate discussion.....but the Carpet of Adhesion shouldn't be able to stop a character from phasing through it any more than any other physical obstacle he or she is trying to bypass.

[The Dark Elf]

My first thought is that CoA has magical properties and is not physical as DK said.

However, I think I'd rule D Phase gets him out as he is in affect in a "different dimension" hense the "D".

Tricky one....

[cornholioprime]

My first thought is that CoA has magical properties and is not physical as DK said.

No such description whatsoever of the sticky substance that makes up a Carpet of Adhesion.
Unlike the magical material that makes up a Magic Net, which is explicitly stated to be such.

From the reading of the Spell, CoA doesn't appear to be "magical force that sticks fast to the target."
It's more like "Conjure Up Extremely Sticky (but otherwise physically unremarkable and non-magical) Substance."

[JuliusCreed]

Gods... not ANOTHER CoA debate

[Damian Magecraft]

Gods... not ANOTHER CoA debate

come on its been 3 months since the last one.
Its about time for a new one.

[strtkwr]

Gods... not ANOTHER CoA debate

What can I say, I love a good controversy.

[drewkitty ~..~]

My first thought is that CoA has magical properties and is not physical as DK said.

No such description whatsoever of the sticky substance that makes up a Carpet of Adhesion.
Unlike the magical material that makes up a Magic Net, which is explicitly stated to be such.

From the reading of the Spell, CoA doesn't appear to be "magical force that sticks fast to the target."
It's more like "Conjure Up Extremely Sticky (but otherwise physically unremarkable and non-magical) Substance."

A CoA Is a field not an object, and it makes you stick to the place it is cast (This is because they are getting stuck to The Planet.) That is unless it is the Intention of the spell caster that they get stuck to an object.
An physical object would not go "poof, gone" at the end of the spell duration.

[Armorlord]

My initial thoughts are that if he makes the save then d-phase easily escapes the physical goopiness that other people that save can crawl out of, but if he failed the save against the magic then he'd be held as per the spell, magically.

[Damian Magecraft]

A CoA Is a field not an object, and it makes you stick to the place it is cast (This is because they are getting stuck to The Planet.) That is unless it is the Intention of the spell caster that they get stuck to an object.
An physical object would not go "poof, gone" at the end of the spell duration.

From reading the spell it actually says the mage creates a sticky carpet. The spell can be cast on just about anything, but it does have to be cast on an object. If the temporal wizard had the spell casted on him then he would still be stuck, but if he moved into and area that had CoA inplace then the D-Phase should allow him to go right through it.

Atleast that makes sence to me anyway.

I think it would still require a save if the D-Phased person were to step/pass through it. However I as a GM would impose the 2d6 melee restriction on the T-Mage should he pass his save. (The D-phased person is already moving at 1/4 spd to begin with.)

and yes Drew it is a pseudo-solid object. a very powerful (and immobile one if not cast upon a person or vehicle) one but it is still an object.

[Khord - Lizard Mage]

Since a CoA is canceled by Dispel Magic Barriers, I would say that phase powers cannot go through it.

[drewkitty ~..~]

I think it would still require a save if the D-Phased person were to step/pass through it. However I as a GM would impose the 2d6 melee restriction on the T-Mage should he pass his save. (The D-phased person is already moving at 1/4 spd to begin with.)

and yes Drew it is a pseudo-solid object. a very powerful (and immobile one if not cast upon a person or vehicle) one but it is still an object.

just like an Wall of Iron and Wall of Clay (or whatever the spell names are) are not "Real" and are fields. While they my take on the properties of real objects, they still go *poof* at the end of the spell.

[strtkwr]

Just to throw some more heat on this argument, was just looking at the spell, and it never says that it cannot walk through magical barriers. All it states is solid objects. How do you determine if a magical barrier is solid or not? Just because it is magical does not mean it is not solid. After all, something has to physically stop/grab you in order to prevent movement. Thoughts?

Edit: By this I mean some spells do not have a physcial component that D-phase would not impact (like Agony). This applies only to spells that prevent movement like COA or Magic Barrier.

[asajosh]

I'd say that the D-Phased mages should be able to walk out of the Carpeted area.
CoA needs something physical to be cast on, IIRC, and phased objects ignore the physical plane. Therefore, the phased character should no longer be affected by the Carpet.
If this came up in a game I was GM'ing (surpirsed it hasn't yet), tht's how I'd rule.

Now if someone used a phase beamer or by some other means made the carpeted area go out of phase too...