WW II weapons?

[Hendrik]

Hi there,

has anyone made a list of WW II weapons (with the typical stuff, i.e. damage ratings, range and such) or point me to where I may find it?

I would be very interested to see it for a BtS game next Saturday "Minoan Haunts" (Crete, Winter 1943)".

For simplicity's sake I would assume 7D6 for any rifle and 4D6 for any pistol (as per the BtS rulebook).

Have not found an entry for an Uzi though. Any ideas (4D6, too)? Stupid me, naturally "hidden" right beside the other entries on W.P.s ...

That said, more "accurate data" (while not necessary for play, I really like the approach in BtS - brilliant, brilliant game!!!) would be interesting.

Cheers
Hendrik

[Cinos]

Minds not awake yet, nor do I do modern settings all that often, so take this with a grain of salt;

Your damage examples seem ok off the cuff. PB's Compendium of Modern Weapons is a great place to look, and it should have anything commonly found in WWII that can be easily used.

[Cybermancer]

This link has a list of common WW2 infantry weapons by nation. For damage, compare calibers to weapons already statted in a Palladium book.

Just an FYI, the Uzi didn't exist back then. The first prototype wasn't done until 1950 and didn't enter service until 1954.

According to Palladium's usual damage ratings, the following is typical:

9mm does 2D6 (ex. Browning 1911 9mm pistol)
.45 does 4D6 (ex. Tommy gun/trench broom)
.30 cal rifles do 4D6 or 5D6 (ex. .303 Lee Einfield battle rifle)
.30 machine guns do 6D6 or 7D6 (Vickers machine gun)
.50 machine guns do up to 1D6X10+10 (Browning machine gun)

These can vary from book to book. For WW2 weapons, I'd use the lower ratings available.

[Hendrik]

This link has a list of common WW2 infantry weapons by nation. For damage, compare calibers to weapons already statted in a Palladium book.

Just an FYI, the Uzi didn't exist back then. The first prototype wasn't done until 1950 and didn't enter service until 1954.

According to Palladium's usual damage ratings, the following is typical:

9mm does 2D6 (ex. Browning 1911 9mm pistol)
.45 does 4D6 (ex. Tommy gun/trench broom)
.30 cal rifles do 4D6 or 5D6 (ex. .303 Lee Einfield battle rifle)
.30 machine guns do 6D6 or 7D6 (Vickers machine gun)
.50 machine guns do up to 1D6X10+10 (Browning machine gun)

These can vary from book to book. For WW2 weapons, I'd use the lower ratings available.

Hi there, Cybermancer,

thank you very much!

You are, of course, right with the UZI. I misappropriated the name as a generic term for submachine guns. Sorry . So, submachine guns would be at 4D6 then.

What kind of damage would you allot a StG44 (the world's first true battle/assault rifle!)? My hunch would be 6D6.

Cheers
Hendrik

[Cybermancer]

What kind of damage would you allot a StG44 (the world's first true battle/assault rifle!)? My hunch would be 6D6.

Cheers
Hendrik

As a 7.92X33mm cartridge, the StG44 is solidly in .30 caliber range. BUT it has a small cartridge and thus less powder than a full on battle rifle. It's a compromise between lighter sub-machineguns and the 8mm rifle. The 7.62X52mm round has a slightly smaller diameter but much more powder propelling it. So I would put it in the 4D6 damage range. And the range is going to be less than other full on battle rifles. But the full auto capability will be nice for trench clearing.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Have you tried "The compindium of Modern Weapons" by MaryAnn S. for the firearm needs? It can be ordered through the PB's web store.

[Hendrik]

several early Rifters had a Ninjas & Superspy adventures with write ups for a few common WWII. I just cannot remember which ones.
Rifter 14 has WWII weapon stat for Japan and U.S.

Hi Voidrunner,

thank you, great advice! Will look that up!

What kind of damage would you allot a StG44 (the world's first true battle/assault rifle!)? My hunch would be 6D6.
Cheers
Hendrik

As a 7.92X33mm cartridge, the StG44 is solidly in .30 caliber range. BUT it has a small cartridge and thus less powder than a full on battle rifle. It's a compromise between lighter sub-machineguns and the 8mm rifle. The 7.62X52mm round has a slightly smaller diameter but much more powder propelling it. So I would put it in the 4D6 damage range. And the range is going to be less than other full on battle rifles. But the full auto capability will be nice for trench clearing.

Wow, you know a lot about weapons. Yeah, range was low, only 300m or so, but it was developed for shorter ranges. Hmm, I will go for 5D6 then, I guess.

Have you tried "The compindium of Modern Weapons" by MaryAnn S. for the firearm needs? It can be ordered through the PB's web store.

Hi drewkitty,

thanks! I have that, but it does not help me much. I am not terribly interested in firearms, unless I need some info or it is historically relevant for a question I research, but those that are in the book seem mostly current, not "historical". It is quite helpful though for an idea by approximation. Thanks again for pointing me to the book!

Kindest regards
Hendrik

[Jorel]

This link has a list of common WW2 infantry weapons by nation. For damage, compare calibers to weapons already statted in a Palladium book.

Just an FYI, the Uzi didn't exist back then. The first prototype wasn't done until 1950 and didn't enter service until 1954.

According to Palladium's usual damage ratings, the following is typical:

9mm does 2D6 (ex. Browning 1911 9mm pistol)
.45 does 4D6 (ex. Tommy gun/trench broom)
.30 cal rifles do 4D6 or 5D6 (ex. .303 Lee Einfield battle rifle)
.30 machine guns do 6D6 or 7D6 (Vickers machine gun)
.50 machine guns do up to 1D6X10+10 (Browning machine gun)

These can vary from book to book. For WW2 weapons, I'd use the lower ratings available.

This is what I use. Compendium for Modern Weapons is too modern. Only thing I use in it for older weapons is the chart provided by Cybermancer about Calibre/Damage.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Part of it is that there are the damage ratings for each round type in the front of the tCoMW.

and there are firearms in there that were used in the world wars. you'd have to research which ones, but with google that is easier today then it was a score of years ago it was.

[lather]

Damage by caliber is the way to go. The gun changes the range.

[jedi078]

I use this as my source for firearms damages. http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Fi ... Frames.htm

Wikipedia is your source for range and ammo capacity for each weapon.

[Rallan]

I'd give WWII stuff identical stats to similar modern stuff. A submachinegun is a submachinegun is a submachinegun, and most RPGs (Palladium included) don't have mechanics that are fine-grained enough for there to be much of a difference in stats from one SMG to the next, or one assault rifle to the next, or whatever. The only thing you might have to wing it on are anti-tank rifles, since they no longer exist.

[jedi078]

I'd give WWII stuff identical stats to similar modern stuff. A submachinegun is a submachinegun is a submachinegun, and most RPGs (Palladium included) don't have mechanics that are fine-grained enough for there to be much of a difference in stats from one SMG to the next, or one assault rifle to the next, or whatever. The only thing you might have to wing it on are anti-tank rifles, since they no longer exist.

Anti-tank rifles had a place during the early part of WWII, but as tanks increased in the amount of armor they had they become obsolete. But I am sure anti-tank rifles were used to take out light armored vehicles and maybe as long range sniper rifles.

Regardless a combination of Wikipedia and the Netbook of Modern firearms will net you what you need to stat out an anti-tank rifle for a WWII era game.

[Ice Dragon]

Have you check the RECON source books. Some of them have old WWII weapons includes, IIRC.

[tmikesecrist3]

I would like to add something,

.30 cal rifle would also have the M-1 grain and the 03 spring field. and a 30 cal MG shoots the same round as the rifle

[SpiritInterface]

I would use the following for the Western Front and Pacific Theater.
2D6) 9mm Parabellum Luger, MP42/43. 9mm kurtz Wather PP/PPK, 7mm Nambu pistol, .454 Webley pistol

4D6).45 Colt M1911 pistol, .45 Thompson sub-machine gun, .45 M2/M3 Grease gun.

5D6) Japanese Nambu Rifle, 8mm Kar 98 Rifle, .303 Lee Enfield SMLE, .30-06 M1903 Springfield, .30-06 M1 Garand, .30-06 BAR, .303 Vickers machine gun, M1919 .30 cal Machine gun, .303 Bren gun.

1D6x10) .50 M2 Machine gun.

1D6x10 30' blast area) Mod. 24 Stick grenade.
6D6 15' blast area) MkII Fragmentation grenade, Type 91 Fragmentation grenade.

[Hendrik]

Thank you, all,

SpiritInterface,
I would not want to go (much) below 4D6 for a pistol. Personally, I think that "light" pistols should be around 4D6 and "heavy" pistols around 5D6. Submachineguns I would put at the same level depending on caliber and all rifles around 7D6. I like the differentiated grenade values!

tmikesecrist3,
I don't know if I already said so, but love your signature!

Ice Dragon,
hey, brother-in-language! Will you come to the Open House?

Does anyone know how to throw a grenade (under the rules of any Pally game)?

Cheers
Hendrik

[Zamion138]

The german MG42's fire rate was so high by the way that you might want to give it a much higher damedge from bursts, it was .30 cal if I rember right, but it could basicly dump ammo faster than anything short of a rotatry gun. up to 1500 rounds per minute, thats an insain fire rate with a good sized bullet.

[Ice Dragon]

Ice Dragon,
hey, brother-in-language! Will you come to the Open House?

Sorry Hendrik, I have to much work on my table - if I find the time, I would stay at least 3 weeks in the USA. Sadly not possible this year .

[Jerell]

Sten, MP40, and PPsh should do pistol round damage also.

From experience (medic) I can definitely say pistols don't wound as bad as rifles usually. Cavitation in the body can be quite deadly with higher velocity projectiles. And if you get hit solid by a .50 cal, game over.

Just remember it's difficult to hit anything moving with a pistol passed, oh about 25-30 meters out. I'd develop some major negatives to hit stuff with pistols and thompsons (which kick up hard BTW if they're all like to one I fired) farther than that out. Fire support and air strikes are where it's at.

[Hendrik]

Ice Dragon,hey, brother-in-language! Will you come to the Open House?

Sorry Hendrik, I have to much work on my table - if I find the time, I would stay at least 3 weeks in the USA. Sadly not possible this year .

Ooh, that's a shame!

Herzliche Grüße ins wunderschöne Wien,
Hendrik