TheWay wrote:What happens if someone casts Anti Magic Cloud in a group of other mages and one of the mages saves then they cast antimagic cloud does that then negate the anti magic cloud cast first. Please elaborate on any other scenarios that could occur as well please
But seriously.....since the Anti-Magic Cloud is itself a magical effect, the first Cloud would be dispelled by the second....and the caster of the first Cloud would have the tables turned on him and find himself powerless if he in turn didn't save against it.
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TheWay wrote:What happens if someone casts Anti Magic Cloud in a group of other mages and one of the mages saves then they cast antimagic cloud does that then negate the anti magic cloud cast first. Please elaborate on any other scenarios that could occur as well please
Two possibilities: 1) Total Protonic Reversal.
2) The second cloud would nix the first one. The second mage would enjoy all the benefits, the first mage would find the tables turned on him (unless he too saves).
Personally, I perfer the first one.
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Reading it from the book of magic and RUE, I think the first cloud might persist, partly because someone who saves still finds their magic at half strength. The main reason is that it states in the description that the cloud can't be dispelled magically. Since an anti magic cloud is magic, it can't dispel another anti magic cloud.
My guess is that a successful cast of a cloud within a cloud would force the caster of the first cloud to roll a save against the second cloud. If he succeeds you have two people under the overlapping area who can use magic at half strength. If he fails, the only person who can use magic in that area is the caster of the second cloud, but still at half strength. Also, I think his cloud would be half its normal radius since he could only cast at half strength.
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azazel1024 wrote:I am going with Smooth Operators logic.
I'll do so as well.
The fact that, in RUE, the Cloud cannot itself be dispelled, changes the arguments made in my prior post.
(I could've sworn that earlier versions of this Spell didn't have any such "immune to dispel" text in their descriptions, but I could be mistaken.)
It's in the old main book as well, but it's two words out of a sentence. You could easily read that sentence and only come away with the immunity to manipulation of elemental or atmospheric conditions. So it is there, but unless you're looking for it you're very likely to miss it.
Also, even supposing you miss that wording, what situation has to arise before those two words matter? This situation is the only one I can think of.
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Both clouds exist. It can't negate itself. It's just that the more anti-magic clouds you have in an area, the more people can't cast magic because of multiple saving throws. The existence of the second cloud doesn't inhibit the functioning of the first, only the target and caster change. So caster A is still affected by Anti-Magic Cloud B. Caster B is still affected by Anti-Magic Cloud A. Calculate your durations and everyone sucks it up. The spell doesn't work differently based on who is casting it.
