Base PPE and ISP values for non-magic/non-psionics?

[dragonfett]

Well base PPE for non-magic users depends on Race/RCC. Humans are either 3d6 (I want to say that was from the RMB) or 2d6 (IIRC in the RUE).

As for ISP, unless you are psychic, I honestly don't think you have any.

[Prysus]

Hello

Greetings and Salutations. Welcome to the boards. I'll do my best to answer your questions (with references from R:UE since that is the book you referenced). Here we go ...

What are the base values of PPE and ISP for non-magic and non-psionic (for robot pilot with no psionics for example).

P.P.E. for most "humans and D-Bees" can be found on page 185. This is found under Step 4, first sentence after the "Individual P.P.E. Reserve" section. In short, 2D6. Note: I can't say for sure if this has changed from the original Rifts Main Book, but I can say that in Palladium Fantasy Second Edition and Heroes Unlimited Second Edition that humans typically only have 2D6 P.P.E. there as well.

I.S.P. for those without psychic powers doesn't exist. You can find this on page 278 under the "I.S.P." heading. "Only psionic/psychic characters and some supernatural creatures have I.S.P. points ..."

The closest thing I can find in RUE is ME+1D4 (from the non-psychic cyber-knight) for ISP

Yes, that's for Cyber-Knights without additional psychic powers. But remember that the Cyber-Knight you're speaking of still has Psi-Sword (free of charge), Psi-Shield (which costs I.S.P.), and Meditation (which recovers I.S.P.). So while they're not psychics on the same level as other Cyber-Knights, they do still have psychic powers and they still need that I.S.P. for their Psi-Shield.

and 5D6 PPE for "apes" under "other" sources of PPE (Magic section).

Right. This is the section that talks about "Blood Sacrifice" on page 186. That value for apes is unclear if that's the base value for apes, or the value after being doubled at death. In this section, there seems to be a connection between the amount of P.P.E. and the size of the animal. Looking at the sizes, it would make sense the values listed are already doubled. Cats and small dogs are the same as a normal adult (but much smaller). Next size up (still smaller than humans) is 3D6. Next category some (though not all) might fall more into human adult size class (though some are bigger) and equal to adult human (if doubled). Then we have horses and apes (larger) at 5D6. Then animals smaller than cats (our smallest category above) don't have enough to be worth mentioning. That's at least my perspective on things (take it for what you will).

thanks

I'm always glad to help when I can. I just hope I actually helped. Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys for now.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Hello,

What are the base values of PPE and ISP for non-magic and non-psionic (for robot pilot with no psionics for example). The closest thing I can find in RUE is ME+1D4 (from the non-psychic cyber-knight) for ISP and 5D6 PPE for "apes" under "other" sources of PPE (Magic section).

thanks

The base PPE value for adult non-magic users are found in that race's statistical text. There are places that show the differences values of PPE between children, adolescents and adults for humans.

Non-psychics have No ISP.

[Galroth]

Psychic Characters I believe have lower base PPE scores than members of their base race due to 'burning off their PPE' developing their psychic powers. Also Cyborgs have a lower base PPE, I believe 1d4 or 1d6.

[Prysus]

So I just read through the magic section of the book (page 185). Although it does say that humans/d-bees have low PPE, it does not actually state that they get 2D6. I could have an older version of RUE. 2D6 seems very reasonable.

You are right about the ISP, nada for non-psychics.

Greetings and Salutations. Sorry about that, I have a R:UE 3rd Printing, and that includes some eratta. I just double checked, and that IS one of the things they added. If you'd like to see for yourself, you can go to the Palladium site (home page), go to Resources, Cutting Room Floor, and find the section you're looking for. For ease, I'll include links:

Cutting Room Floor: http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php ... room-floor

RUE Eratta: http://www.palladiumbooks.com/images/Do ... Eratta.pdf (on page 10 of the PDF, under Mind Block psionic).

Hope that helps. Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys for now.

[dragonfett]

I didn't find anything there. Would you mind pinpointing it in the errata (like what page of the errata, how far down, so on and so forth). Thanks.

[Prysus]

I didn't find anything there. Would you mind pinpointing it in the errata (like what page of the errata, how far down, so on and so forth). Thanks.

Greetings and Salutations. I included that in my last post here ...

RUE Eratta: http://www.palladiumbooks.com/images/Do ... Eratta.pdf (on page 10 of the PDF, under Mind Block psionic).

But, for added clarity, I'll go into even more detail.

1: Go to the eratta PDF located here (linked above): http://www.palladiumbooks.com/images/Do ... Eratta.pdf

2: Go to Page 10 (mentioned above).

3: It'll start with dragons. Skip passed that.

4: It'll go into Mind Block. Skip passed that.

5: It'll mention the eratta from page 185, adding base PPE. Added info is put in red which makes it stand out.

This information is only adding in the base PPE info I mentioned above (2D6), nothing more. If you were looking for something else, then you'll need to specify and I'll do my best to help. If that's what you're looking for but still can't find it, sorry but that's as clear as I can get. Hopefully that helps. Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys to all.

[dragonfett]

It seems as if I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were talking about ISP, not PPE for some reason. Sorry, my bad.