Tearing off the Veil of Bad Editing

drewkitty ~..~ · Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:51 pm

Tearing off the Veil of Bad Editing

There is a lot of trouble with perceptions of what classes are what because PB is not applying the correct class labels to the different classes. The following lists will, I hope, shed a little light on which classes are what after striping away the stylistic choices PB has been making for the class labeling for Rifts and the other settings. The Lists will also be in no particular order, but I will try to stick to the order of publication where it is convenient.

Because some classes have more then one option in them, they will be broken up into the options. I will also be breaking up any Race stats from any ROCCs they are attached to, and listing races as races.

Each entry will have the class name, what type of class it really is, and wether or not the published canon PF MultiClassing rules (in the High Seas book) would apply to it, and what type of class (man at arms, adventurer, magic) is generally cat.ed as.
OCC: Occupational Char Class
PCC: Psychic Char Class
ROCC: racially restricted OCC
DCC: Dragon Char Class
PRCC: Psychic Racial Char Class
NCC: NPC Char Class
MCC: Magic Char Class (learned magic users)
PMCC: Psychic Magic Char Class (intuitive magic users)
GMCC: Granted Magic Char Class
RCC: Racial char class (all members of this race are the RCC unless they do not have the racial powers, then as per class)
Mod: Modification, this is just adds or takes away from the race stats
MACC: magically augmented char class
RMCC: racial restricted Magic class
UCC: Undead char Class (all of these are optional)
SCC: Symbiote Char Class
RPCC: Racial restricted Psychic char class
ACC: Augmenteed Char class
DOCC: Dimensionally restricted OCC
RCMCC: Racial restricted GMCC
?CC: there is a variable in the class as published that makes it not just one type of class
RACC: racially restricted ACC

Note: Please do not argue about the differences between what is "book correct" and what you see here. This is something that at it's basic conception says that ALL the Book Correct labels are subject to revision to "what the class actually is."

Note 2: This will not be covering HU, BTS1 nor BTS2 because they do not use the Class System of the other books. And will not be covering the RT1 nor the RT2 books so not to anger HG about anything. Nor will I be doing the DR books cause I don't have/will not be getting them.

To start of the lists I will be doing the Rifts Main Book.
Borg,___________________________ACC, yes, but is limited to Non-magic OCCs Man at Arms
CS Solder "Dead Boy", ___________OCC, yes, Man At Arms
CS Grunt,_______________________OCC, Yes, Man At Arms
CS Elite RPA (SMAMS pilots),______OCC, yes, Man At Arms
CS Military Specialist,____________OCC, yes, Man At Arms
CS Technical Officer,_____________OCC, yes, Man At Arms (REMF)
Crazies,_________________________ACC, Yes but to change their Class they need the implants removed, Man At Arms
Cyber-Knight____________________PCC/ACC, no, man at arms
Glitter Boy (pilot),________________OCC, yes, Man At Arms
Headhunter,_____________________OCC, yes, Man At Arms
Juicer,___________________________ACC, Yes but then need to have their implants removed, Man At Arms
Body Fixer,______________________OCC, yes, Adventurer (healer)
City Rat,_________________________OCC, yes, Adventurer
Cyber Doc,______________________OCC, yes, Adventurer (healer)
Operator (w/o tela.mech.),_______OCC, yes, Adventurer (builder)
Operator (w/ tela mech),_________PCC, no, Adventurer (builder)
Rogue Scientist,__________________OCC, yes, Adventurer (scientist)
Rogue Scholar,___________________OCC, yes, Adventurer (teacher)
Wilderness Scout,________________OCC, yes, Adventurer (outdoorsman)
Vagabond Non-skilled,___________OCC (loosely), yes, Adventurer
Ley Line Walker,__________________MCC, yes, magic
Mystic,__________________________PMCC, no, magic
Shifter,__________________________MCC, yes if they sever the link to the SN, magic
Tecno-Wizard,___________________MCC, no, magic (builder)
Dragon Hatchling,________________DCC, no, Adventurer
Burster,__________________________PCC, no, Adventurer
CS Psi-Stalker,___________________PRCC, no, Man At Arms
Wild Psi-Stalker,__________________PRCC, no, Adventurer
Dog Pack (CS Dog Boys),___________ROCC, yes, Man At Arms
Feral Dog Boys,___________________race
Mind Melter,______________________PCC, no, Adventurer

Rifts Mercenaries
Bounty Hunter,___________________OCC, yes, Man At Arms
Forger,__________________________OCC, yes, Adventurer (OC)
Freelance Spy,____________________OCC, yes, Man At Arms (agent)
Master Assassin,__________________OCC, yes, Man At Arms (assassin)
Safe Cracker,_____________________OCC, yes, Adventurer (OC)
Smuggler,________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
Special Forces,___________________OCC, yes, Man At Arms
Super Spy
*Mage Super spy,_________________MCC, yes, Man At Arms
*Psionic Super Spy,_______________PCC, no, Man At Arms
*Cybernetic Super Spy,____________ACC, yes but needs to get the implants removed, Man At Arms
*D-Bee/Mutant powered Super Spy, __ROCC, Yes, Man At Arms
Professional Thief,________________OCC, yes, Adventurer (OC)

RCB2: Pantheons
Rifts Priest,_______________________PMCC, yes but only if the powers are with drawn by his god, Adventurer
Godling,__________________________Race
Godling,__________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Demigod,_________________________race
The Scorpion People,______________race
Greater Cyclops,__________________Race
The Hundred Handed,_____________Race
Naga,,____________________________race
Daityas,___________________________race
Dakini,____________________________race
Asgardian Dwarves,_______________race
Asgardian High Elves,_____________race
Valkyries,_________________________RCC, no, Adventurer
Berserkers,________________________ROCC, yes but only if his powers are taken from him, Man At Arms
Warriors of Valhalla,_______________Mod

cornholioprime · Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:23 pm

Looks like a daunting list to make.

drewkitty ~..~ · Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:01 pm

Psyscape
Harvester,___________________PMCC, no, magic
Mind Bleeder,________________PRCC, no, adventurer
Nega-psi,___________________PCC, no, adventurer
Psi-Druid,___________________PCC, no, adventurer
Psi-Ghost,___________________PCC, no, adventurer (agent)
Psi-Nulifyer,_________________PCC, no, adventurer
Psi-Slayer,___________________PCC, no, adventurer (assassin)
Psi-Tech,____________________PCC, no adventurer (builder)
Psi_Warrior,__________________PCC, no, man at arms
Zapper,______________________PCC, no, adventurer
Darkhound,__________________race/PRCC, no, adventurer/monster
Dragon Ape,_________________NCC, no, monster
Dragon Cat,_________________race/PRCC, no, adventurer
Amorph,____________________race/PRCC, no, adventurer
Demon-Dragonmage,________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Psi-Goblins, _________________race/PRCC, no, adventurer
Yhabbayar,___________________race/RCC, no, magic
Zaayr Crytal Dragon,__________race/DCC, no, adventurer
Zenith Moon Warpers,________race/ROCC, yes, adventurer

Atlantis
True Atlantean,_______________Race
Undead Slayer,________________MACC, yes, magic/men at arms
Atlantean Nomad,_____________OCC, yes, adventurer
Splugorth,____________________race/RCC, (inconclusive), adventurer
Splugorth Conservators,_______race/MACC, (inconclusive), adventurer
Plugorth Overlords,____________race/RCC, no, man at arms
splugorth power lord,__________race/MACC, (Inconclusive), adventurer
Splugorth Slaver,_______________race/MACC, no, adventurer
Altara Warriors,________________race/ROCC, yes, adventurer
Kittani,________________________Race
Kittani Warrior,________________ ROCC, yes, man at arms
Kittani field mechanic/scientist__ROCC, yes, adventurer (scientist/builder)
Kittani Espionage Agent,________ROCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
Sunaj Assassin,_________________MACC, yes, adventurer )assassin)
Adarok,________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Erta,___________________________race/RCC, no, adventruer
Hawrk-duhk___________________race/PRCC, no, adventurer
Hawrk-ka______________________race/PRCC, no, adventurer
Hawrk-ohl_____________________race/RCC, no, adventruer
Shaydor Spherians_____________race/PRCC, no, Adventurer
Shaydorian Intel_______________race/ROCC, yes, adventurer
Zembahk______________________race/PRCC, no, adventurer
Tattooed Man,_________________MACC, yes, adventurer
T-Monster Men,_______________MACC, yes, adventurer
Maxi-Man_____________________MACC, yes, adventurer
Stone Master___________________OCC, yes, magic (builder, sort of)

Japan
traditional Samurai______________OCC, yes, man at arms
Ronin,__________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Mystic Ninja,____________________MOCC, yes, man at arms (agent/assassin)
Bishamon Fighting Monk,________OCC, yes, man at arms
Sohei Warrior Monk,_____________OCC, yes, man at arms
Yamabushi mountain monk,______OCC, yes, adventurer
Demon Queller,__________________OCC, yes, man at arms (limited training area to mainland china)
Tengu,___________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Cyberoid,_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Cyber Samurai,___________________ACC, yes, man at arms
Tech NInja,_______________________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent/assassin)
Ninja Juicer,______________________ACC, yes yes if they get their implants removed, man at arms (agent/assassin)
Ninja Crazy,______________________ACC, yes if they get their implants removed, man at arms (agent/assassin)
Ninja Borg,_______________________OCC, Yes, man at arms (agent/assassin)
Ninja Techno-Wizard,_____________MOCC, yes, magic (agent/assassin)
SMAS Pilot,_______________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Infantryman,______________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Robot Pilot,_______________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Glitter Force Trooper,______________OCC, yes, man at arms
Police Officer,_____________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Republic Cyborg Soldier,___________ACC, yes, man at arms

Display-Name-Alpha · Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:03 pm

Honest answer? You're wasting your time defining everything up front laying down restrictions, you should stop before people start pointing.

You're better off skipping the list, and pre-gen'ing all of your characters for your players instead of them coming to the table with a character and you saying that's unacceptable, let them choose from what you are going to approve since you are removing the imagination of character creation anyhow.

drewkitty ~..~ · Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:44 pm

PF2MB
Priest of Light_____________________GMCC, yes but only if the powers are with drawn by his god, adventurer
Priest of Darkness_________________GMCC, yes but only if the powers are with drawn by his god,, adventurer
Warrior Monk_____________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Druid_____________________________MCC, yes, adventurer
Mercenary Warrior_________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Soldier____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Long Bowman_____________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Knight____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Palladin___________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Ranger____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (outdoorsman)
Thief______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
Assassin__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (Assassin)
Merchant__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Noble_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Scholar____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (scientist)
Squire_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Vagabond/Peasant or Farmer_______OCC, yes, adventurer
Wizard____________________________MCC, yes (but becomes a half wizard if does not take a magic class), magic
Warlock___________________________GMCC, no, magic
Witch_____________________________GMCC, yes but only if the powers are with drawn by his demon, adventurer[mod possibly]
Diabolist__________________________MCC, yes, magic (builder)
Summoner________________________MCC, yes, Magic
Psychic Sensitive___________________PCC, no, adventurer
Psy-Mystic________________________PMCC, no, adventruer
Mind Mage________________________PCC, no, adventruer

Yin_sloth Jungles (1st ed PF)
Tezcat Warrior_____________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Tezcat Shaman & Priest,____________RMCC, yes, magic
Beastmaster,_______________________GMCC, yes, Magic
Holy crusader(L1-4)________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Holy Crusader (L5 & up)____________GMCC, yes but only if the powers are with drawn by his god, (inconclusive)
Nomadic Tribesman________________OCC, yes, adventurer (H&G)
Slaver/Enforcer/Bounty Hunter______OCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
Spy________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
Undead Hunter_____________________MCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Witch Hunter_______________________MCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Sage_______________________________NCC

Mysteries of Magic 1
Forsaken Mage_____________________MCC, yes, magic
Half Wizard________________________MCC, yes, ether man at arms or adventurer depending (depends on what class they changed to)

Island at the Edge of the World (1st ed PF)
(no new classes)

Adventures in the Northern Wilderness (1st ed PF)
(no new Classes)

Eastern Territory
Master Collector_____________________OCC, yes, adventurer (militia)
Holy Palladin of Rurga________________GMCC, yes but only if the powers are with drawn by his god, man at arms
Danzi_______________________________race, as per, as per (limited to what classes they can take)
Danzi_______________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer (H&G)
Danzi Shaman_______________________RMCC, yes, magic
(Danzi)Wandering Shaman___________RMCC, yes, magic

Northern Hhinterlands
Angel-Demon Serpent_______________race/RCC, no, man at arms
Artisan______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
BlackSmith__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
Fletcher,_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
Lumberjack,_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (outdoorsman)
Miner,_______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Trapper/Hunter______________________OCC, yes, adventurer (outdoorsman)
Barbarian Warrior____________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Barbarian Keepers,___________________OCC, yes, man at arms

shiiv-a · Unread post by **shiiv-a** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:18 pm

while i may not like some people in games . . and some others are massive sticklers for rules and regulations and then others still enjoy tweaking or twisting them . . .

for the new kid on the block, i think that this table is actually a good thing to have.
it answers some of MY questions about classes and 'well is it allowable?'

after all . . i got too many people telling me that 'Wolven' [ the PW space variety mind you] CANT be a TW. its not allowed in the books.

some say yes . . other say no . .
its up to the GM to allow or not is the final concensus.
so lets not the hard work guys . . this answers questions for some people out there that don't have tons of time to read all the books cover to cover and know it by heart

*wonders where i did put that TW?

drewkitty ~..~ · Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:49 pm

RUE (only the new class)
Elemental Fusionist__________________PMCC, no, magic

Western Empire (the only reason I included the vamps is that the secondary vamp is a optional char class)
Imperial Soldier_____________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Imperial Janissary___________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Master Vampire_____________________NCC, no, n/a
secondary vampire__________________UCC, no, n/a
Wild Vampire,_______________________NCC, no, n/a

Land of the Damned One: Chaos Lands
(no new classes, all the new are races or monsters)

Adventures on the High Seas
Gladiator__________________________,OCC, yes, man at arms (performer)
Acrobat & Tumbler_________________OCC, yes, adventurer (performer)
Actor______________________________,OCC, yes, adventurer (performer)
Bard_______________________________,OCC, yes, adventurer (performer)
Minstrel____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (performer)
Prestidigitator______________________OCC, yes, adventurer (performer)
Juggler/Knife-Thrower______________OCC, yes, adventurer (performer)
Mariner_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (seaman)
The Pirate__________________________,OCC, yes, adventurer (seaman)
The Sailor__________________________,OCC, yes, adventurer (seaman)
Necromancer_______________________,MCC, yes, magic
Shaman_____________________________MCC, yes, magic

Dragons and Gods
(no new classes)

Library of Bletherad
(no new classes)

Shemarrian Nation
(no new classes)

R: sourcebook 1
Robot:Neural Intelligence_____________RCC (robot char class), no, adventurer
Robot:Transferred Intelligence________RCC (robot char class), no, adventurer

Fleets of the Three Galaxies
(no new classes)

Lone Star
Kill hounds___________________________race/RCC, no, man at arms
Ursa-Warrior_________________________,race/RCC, no, man at arms
Battle Cat_____________________________race/ROCC, yes, man at arms
Feral Battle Cats_______________________race, as per, as per
Kill Cats_______________________________race/RCC, no, man at arms
Mini-Monkey spies____________________race/ROCC, yes, adventurer
Monkey Boy Soldier____________________race/ROCC, yes, man at arms
Monkey Boy Tech______________________race/ROCC, yes, adventurer
CS Mutant Rats________________________race/ROCC, yes, adventurer
Feral Mutant Rats______________________race, as per, as per
CS mutant Bats________________________race/ROCC, yes, adventurer
Pecos Raider___________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (bandit)
Tokanii________________________________race, as per, as per
Tokani Warrior_________________________ROCC, yes, man at arms

drewkitty ~..~ · Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:34 pm

New West
Bandit_________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (bandit)
Bandit: Highwayman___________________OCC,yes , man at arms (bandit)
Bounty hunter_________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Gunfighter____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Gunslinger____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Justice Ranger_________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Psi-Slinger____________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Saddle Tramp_________________________,OCC, yes, adventurer
Sheriff/Lawman________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Sheriff's deputy________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Wired Gunslinger______________________ACC, yes if they get their implants removed. adventurer
Cowboy_______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Mining borg/Prospector_______________ACC, yes, adventurer
Preacher______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Professional Gambler__________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Saloon Bum___________________________OCC, yes if they give up alcohol, adventurer
Saloon girl/Barmaid___________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Cactus People_________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Fennodi_______________________________race, as per, as per
Keepers of the Desert__________________race (human mutants), as per, as per
Lyn-Srial______________________________race, as per, as per
Lyn-Srial Sky Knight___________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Lyn-Srial Cloudweaver_________________RMCC, yes, magic
Mountain Giants_______________________RCC(human mutants?), no, adventurer

Federation of Magic
Battle Magus__________________________MCC, yes, magic/man at arms
Controller Magus______________________MCC, yes, magic/man at arms
Lord Magus___________________________MCC, Yes if he looses the ability to use magic, magic
High Magus___________________________MCC, yes if he looses the ability to use magic, magic (scientsit)
Conjurer______________________________MCC, yes, magic
Corrupt_______________________________MACC, no, man at arms
Grey Seer_____________________________PMCC, no, magic
Mystic Knight_________________________ PMCC, no, magic/man at arms (OC)

Splynn Dimensional Market
Kryygorth Hunter_______________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Kryygorth's Lesson_____________________,race/RCC, yes if emancipated, magic
Kryygorth Pegasus____________________,_race/RCC, yes if emancipated, adventurer
Octoman______________________________,race
Nurilian Plant People___________________Race
Pythonan______________________________race
Pythonen scholar/philosopher or artist__ROCC, yes, adventurer
Rulian Translator/Interpreter____________RCC, no, adventurer
Staphra_________________________________race
Staphra Warrior_________________________RCC, no, man at arms
Staphra Warlord_________________________RCC, no, man at arms
Staphra Mystic___________________________RCC, no, magic
Were-Dragon (both normal and monster)_RCC, no, adventurer
Tattooed Archer_________________________MACC, yes, man at arms
Bio-Borgs_______________________________MACC, no, man at arms

Mystic China
Chun Tzu____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (scholar)
Demon Hunter_______________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Jian Shih_____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Nei Chia Wu Shih_____________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Wai Chia Wu Shih_____________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Antiquarian__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (scholar)
Capitalist Entrepreneur_______________OCC, yes,adventurer
Fox Spirit____________________________Race/RCC, (indeterminent), adventurer
Reformed (Infernal) Demon___________RCC, (special), adventurer (if the change class w/o reaching L10, it would only to be back to a normal infernal demon. A NCC)
Blind Mystic__________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Fang Shih____________________________MCC, yes, magic
Tao Shih_____________________________MCC, yes, magic
Wu Shih______________________________MCC, yes, magic
Immortals(all)________________________Mod

drewkitty ~..~ · Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:16 am

NightBane (NightSpawn) main book
The Psychic______________________,PCC, no, adventurer
NightBane________________________race
Basic NB package_________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Resistance/Spook-Squad trained package__ROCC, yes, adventurer
Nocturne/Seeker/Lightbringer trained_ROCC, yes, adventurer
Warlord trained___________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Sorcerer__________________________MCC, yes, magic
Mystic___________________________,MCC, no, magic
Nightbane Sorcerer_______________MCC, yes, magic
Nightbane Mystic________________,MCC, no, magic
Doppleganger___________________,race
Nightlord________________________NCC
Night Princes____________________NCC (GM allowable as PC)
Priest of Night___________________NCC
The Wampyr_____________________UCC, no, adventure
Guardians_______________________RCC, no, adventurer

Chaos Earth
Chromium Guardsman___________OCC, yes, man at arms
NEMA Silver Eagle Pilot___________OCC, yes, man at arms
NEMA Armored Sentinels_________OCC, yea, man at arms
NEMA Soldier/Peacekeeper_______OCC, yes, man at arms
NEMA Field Engineer_____________OCC, yes, man at arms (builder)
NEMA Fire & Rescue______________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
NEMA Intel-Agent_______________,OCC, yes, man at arms (agent)
NEMA Military Specialist__________OCC, yes, man at arms
Para-Arcane_____________________ MCC, yes, magic
Nema Demon & Witch Hunter_____OCC, yes (but not likely), adventurer
NEMA Volunteer Militia Fighter____OCC, yes, adventurer (militia)

Madhaven
White Knight of the Order of the White Rose__PMCC, no, magic/man at arms
Squire of the White Rose__________OCC, yes, man at arms
Gateway Knight___________________PMCC, no, magic/man at arms
Keeper of the Garden_____________PMCC, no, magic/man at arms (grower)
Beast Men________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Dyno-Men________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Leopard Men______________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Mantis Men____________________ ___race/RCC, no, adventurer
Metal Morph______________________,race/RCC, no, adventurer
Pseudo Men Mutant,_______________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Quill Men_________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Savage Lummox___________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Shaman Mutants___________________ROCC, no, adventurer [this may replace any of the above 8 RCCs on top of the racal powers]
Raving Lunatic_____________________NCC

Wormwood
Priest of Light______________________PMCC, yes, adventurer
High Priest_________________________,NCC
Apok, The Avenger_________________,MACC, no, magic
Monk_______________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Wormspeaker_______________________SCC, yes if they symbiotes are removed, adventurer
Symbiotic Warrior____________________SCC, yes if they symbiotes are removed, Man at Arms
Holy Terrors_________________________RCC, no, man at arms
Freelancer (warrior)__________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Knight of the Temple________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Knight of the Order of the Hospital___OCC, yes man at arms
Dark Priest__________________________,NCC
Demon Hound Rider__________________RCC, no, man at arms

Phase World
Promethean__________________________Race
Promethean__________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Promethean Phase Adept_____________,RPCC, no, adventurer
Promethean Time Master______________RMCC, yes, magic
Phase Mystic__________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Promethean, 2nd stage (adult)_________NCC
Draconid______________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer if Psi.Magic if magic
Phantom______________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Spacer________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Galactic Tracer________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (militia)
Space Pirate___________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (bandit)
Runner________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
Colonist_______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Naruni Repo-Bot______________________ACC, yes, but is limited to Non-magic OCCs, Man at Arms (OC)
True Naruni___________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Gene-Splicers_________________________NCC
CAF Trooper__________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
CAF Fleet Officer______________________OCC, yes, man at arms
TVIA Inspector________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
CAF Scientist__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (scientist)
Noro__________________________________race
Noro Psychic__________________________RPCC, no, adventurer
Noro Mystic Warrior___________________RPCC, no, man at arms
Space Wolfen_________________________race
Wolfen Quatoria______________________ACC, yes, but is limited to Non-magic OCCs, Man at Arms (militia)
Catyr_________________________________race
Seljuk________________________________race
Kreeghor_____________________________,race
Royal Kreeghor________________________RCC, no, man at arms
Kreeghor Emperor_____________________NCC
Machine People________________________RCC, no, adventurer (If allowed to have an OCC it must be non-psi and non-magic)
Silhouette______________________________ROCC, yes, magic
Imperial Legionnaire___________________,OCC, yes, man at arms
Imperial Security Agent________________,OCC, yes, man at arms (agent)
Freedom Fighter_______________________,OCC, yes, man at arms
Pleasurer______________________________,RCC, no, adventurer (performer)
Vacuum Wasps_________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Termite Engineers______________________RCC, no, adventurer (builder)
Dominator_____________________________NCC
Cosmo-Kinght_________________________MACC,yes only if they 'fall', man at arms

Rifts China
(no new classes)

Dino swamp
Trysia Fearie__________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Swamp Stomper______________________,OCC, yes, adventurer (outdoorsman)
Naturalist____________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (outdoorsman/scientist)
Pathfinder____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (outdoorsman)
Legacy Scout_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (outdoorsman)
Dinosaur Hunter______________________OCC, yes, adventurer/man at arms
Barbarian Wilderness scout____________mod
Barbarian Swamp Stomper_____________mod
Barbarian Pathfinder___________________mod
Barbarian Nurturer_____________________mod
Barbarian Psychic______________________mod
Wild Knives Warrior____________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Barbarian Eco-Wizard__________________MCC, yes, magic
Mutant Barbarian _____________________RCC, no, adventurer

Adventures in the Dino Swamp
Wraith Soldier_________________________RCC, no, man at arms (available only with GM okay)
A'rac__________________________________race
Horune Pirate__________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer

drewkitty ~..~ · Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:11 pm

Phaseworld sourcebook
In'Valian_____________________________race
Oni__________________________________race
Cyberai______________________________ACC, yes, man at arms
Oni Ninja____________________________PRCC, no, adventruer (agent/assassin)
T'Zee________________________________race
Gun Brother_________________________MACC, Yes if the augmentations are removed, man at arms (assassin)
Invincible Guardsman________________ACC, yes, man at arms
Monro_______________________________race
Warlock Marine______________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Warlock Marine______________________MCC, yes, magic/man at arms
Turbo-Jockey________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (pilot)
Intruder: Beast_______________________RCC, yes, man at arms
Intruder: Mind Creature_______________PRCC, no, adventurer

Three Galaxies
FWC Ground Trooper__________________OCC, yes, man at arms
FWC Technical Spacialist_______________OCC, yes, adventruer (REMF)
FWC Insurrectionists___________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
FWC Medic____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (healer)
FWC Air/Space Corps__________________OCC, yes, man at arms (pilot)
Obsidian Spell Thief___________________MCC, yes, magic
Space Warlock:mage__________________MCC, yes, magic
Space Warlock:warlock________________GMCC, no, magic
Techno-Smithy_______________________MCC, yes, magic (builder)
Necrol________________________________race
Nacrol Warrior________________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Necrol Witch__________________________GMCC, yes, magic
Necrol Worker________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Nixie_________________________________race
Paratee_______________________________race
The Skaa_____________________________race
Strata________________________________race

Mystic Russia
Night Witch__________________________MCC/NCC, no, magic
Hidden Witch________________________MCC, no, magic
Necromancer________________________MCC, yes, magic
Born Mystic__________________________PMCC, no, magic
Russian Fire Sorcerer_________________MCC, yes, magic
Mystic Kuznya________________________GMCC, yes if they abandon their god, magic (builder)
The Old Believer______________________MCC, yes, magic
The Slayer___________________________MACC, no, magic/adventurer (assassin)
Gypsy_______________________________OCC, Yes, adventruer
Traditional Gypsy Wizard-Thief_______MCC, yes, magic/adventurer (OC)
Traditional Gypsy Seer________________PCC, no, adventuer
Russian Gypsy Fortune Teller__________PMCC, no, adventurer
Gypsy Witch__________________________GMCC, no, adventuer
Gifted One___________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Layer of the Laws_____________________NCC
Gypsy Beguiler_______________________PMCC, no, adventurer (OC)
Gypsy Enforcer_______________________OCC, no, adventurer (OC)

Coalition Wars: Cyber-Knights
Cyber-Knights________________________ACC/PCC, no, man at arms (militia)

drewkitty ~..~ · Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:16 pm

Through the Glass Darkly
Acolyte_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (scholar)
Channeler___________________________PMCC, no, magic
Cybermage__________________________MCC, yes, magic (builder)
Fleshscuptor_________________________MCC, yes, magic
MIrrormage__________________________MCC, yes, magic
Nemesis_____________________________NCC, plot device

Skraypers
Tarlok_________________________________race
Tarlok Warrior_________________________RRCC, yes, man at arms
Tarbull ________________________________Tarlock sub-race
Tarbull-Infantry Elite___________________RRCC, yes, man at arms
Shertar________________________________Tarlock sub-race
Shertar Military_________________________RRCC, yes, man at arms
Teklok Cyborg_________________________RRCC(ACC), yes, man at arms
Dreadlors______________________________RRCC(ACC), yes, men at arms
Dreadmasters__________________________RRCC, yes, man at arms
Glinerach______________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Nazeer________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Cyden_________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Seleniak_______________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Lashreg________________________________race
Lashreg(male)__________________________RCC, no, man at arms
Shrilt___________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Belangial_______________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Klied____________________________________race
Nikari___________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Blhaze__________________________________race
Rithe___________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Tandori_________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Typical "control" Agent___________________OCC, yes, man at arms (agent)
Freedom Fighter_________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Elite Freedom Fighter____________________OCC, yes, man at arms

South America 2
True Inca Demigod_______________________RRCC, yes, adventurer
Inca Warrior_____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Inca Sun Priest__________________________GMCC, yes, magic
Nazca Line Maker________________________MCC, yes, magic
Rune Warrior____________________________MACC, yes, man at arms
The Ancient_____________________________RCC, yes, magic
Pucara Red Giants_______________________RCC, no, man at arms
Pucara Mind Mage_______________________RPCC, no, adventurer
Arkhon__________________________________race
Arkon (warrior)___________________________RRCC, yes, man at arms
Arkhon Spectral Hunter___________________RRCC(ACC), yes, man at arms
Arkhon ESP Specialist_____________________RPCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
Fallam___________________________________race
Fallam___________________________________RRCC, yes, adventurer
Fallam Battlemaster______________________RRCC, yes, man at arms
Megaversal Trooper (human)_____________RRCC, yes, man at arms
Megaversal Trooper (Ojahee)_____________RRCC, yes, man at arms
Deatryer 'Borg (human)___________________RRCC(ACC), yes, Man at arms
Ojahee Cyborg___________________________RRCC(ACC), yes, Man at arms
Men-Rall "Tech Master"___________________RRCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
Gaucho__________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (bandit)
Plains 'Borg______________________________ACC, yes, adventurer
Ultra-Crazy______________________________MACC, no, adventurer
Blood Rider______________________________PCC, no, adventure
Master Blood Rider_______________________PCC, no,adventurer
Blood Lizard_____________________________RCC, no,adventurer
Serpentoid_______________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Mutant Capybara_________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Equinoid_________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Condoroid_______________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Falconoid________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Achilles Neo-Human______________________RCC, no, adventurer
Amaki Stone Man_________________________race
Dualist___________________________________RPCC, no, adventurer
Amaki Gizmoteer_________________________RPCC, no, adventurer (builder)
Larhold Barbarian_________________________RRCC, yes, adventurer
Larhold Human Renegade_________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Larhold Shaman__________________________RMCC, yes, magic

drewkitty ~..~ · Tue May 22, 2012 11:33 pm

Megaverse Builder
Tolkeen Artifact Hunter_________________MCC, yes, magic (agent)
Scaneger_______________________________DOCC, yes, adventurer

PF: Monsters and animals
(No New Classes)

Ninja and Superspies
Espionage Agent_______________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
Gizmoteer______________________________OCC, Yes, Adventurer (agent/builder)
Dedicated Martial Artist_________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Wolrdly Martial Artist____________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Free Agent______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
Mercenary______________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
(Agent note: these might also be considered as men at arms)

NB: Between the Shadows
Ex-Government Agent___________________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
Team Epsilon Trooper___________________OCC, yes, man at arms (agent)
ADA Field Agent_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
PAB Field Agent__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
Pandora Project Researcher______________OCC, yes, adventurer (scientist)
PAB Psychic Agent,_______________________PCC, no, adventurer (agent)
Astral Lord______________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Astral Mage_____________________________MCC, yes, adventurer
Millek___________________________________race
Millek___________________________________PRCC, no, adventurer
Mountebank_____________________________race
Mountebank_____________________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Necrophim______________________________race
Torturian________________________________NCC
Dream Maker____________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Dream Dancer___________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Mind Master_____________________________PCC, no, adventurer
'Kinetic'_________________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Natural & Genius________________________PCC, no, adventure (sometimes Man at arms)
Psi-Mechanic____________________________PCC, no, adventurer (builder)
Arcane Detective_________________________MCC, yes, adventurer (agent)

Mutants in Orbit
Astrologer_______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
CyberJack________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Defense Officer___________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Energy Specialist__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
Guard____________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (or Man at arms depending)
Jack-Of-All-Trades_______________________OCC, yes (unlikely), adventurer
Medic____________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (healer)
Miner(orbital)_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Space Pilot_______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (pilot)
Research Scientist________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (scientist)
Salvage Expert___________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
Freeboooter_____________________________OCC, yes (unlikely), adventurer
Ship Engineer____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
Survival Systems Technician______________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
Trader __________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer

drewkitty ~..~ · Wed May 23, 2012 1:32 am

Adventures in the Yucatan (ATB1)
(No new classes)

TMNT
(No True Classes)

ATB2
(No True Classes

CS Navy
Merchant Marine__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (seaman)
CS Navy Sailor____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (seaman)
CS Naval Infantryman (Marines)____________OCC, yes, man at arms
CS Nautical Commando Specialist (SEAL)___OCC, yes, man at arms
Navy "Sea Dog"___________________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Pirate____________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (or man at arms depending) (seaman/bandit)
Pirate Slaver_____________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (or man at arms depending) (seaman/bandit)
River Pirate______________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (or man at arms depending) (seaman/bandit)
Privateer_________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (or man at arms depending) (seaman/bandit)

The Baalgor Wastelands
Quorian Oneiromancer "Dream Shamans"_PMCC, no, adventurer

Splicers
Archangel_______________________________ACC, no, man at arms
Biotic___________________________________ACC, no, adventurer
Dreadguard_____________________________ACC, no, man at arms
Outrider________________________________ACC, no, man at arms
Pack Master_____________________________ACC, no, man at arms
Roughneck_____________________________ ACC, no, Man at arms
Saint___________________________________ ACC, no, man at arms
Scarecrow_______________________________ACC, no, man at arms
Skinjob_________________________________ ACC, no, man at arms
Technojacker____________________________RCC, yes, adventurer

Land of the Damned 1
(no new classes)

Nightbane Survival Guide
(No new classes)

Adventures in the Northern Wilderness (PF1)
(no new classes)

Mount Nimro Kingdom of Giants
Blade Priest______________________________ GMCC, yes, magic
Conjurer_________________________________MCC, yes, magic
Gigante Warlord__________________________NCC/ROCC, yes, man at arms
Life Force Wizard_________________________MACC, no, magic
Were-Shanman___________________________GMCC, yes, magic

Old Ones
Minitor Warrior____________________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Disciple of the Old ones (Minitor Witch)____ GMCC, yes, magic
Monk Scholar_____________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (scholar)
Illusionist_________________________________ PCC, no, adventurer

Nightlands
Sword Bearer______________________________ MACC, yes (rarely), man at arms (militia)
Reshaper__________________________________race
Flint People________________________________race
Shadow Warlock___________________________ PMCC, no, adventurer
Hell Rider__________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (bandit)
Geomantic Immortals_______________________MCC, no, magic

Grug · Unread post by **Grug** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:42 am

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Warlock__________________________________PMCC, no, magic

You might want to state that it is your opinion that a 'warlock' can not multi-class, neither high seas or the PF core book states that it is impossible for them to multi-class.

drewkitty ~..~ · Wed May 23, 2012 6:56 pm

It is the warlock's nature that put them into the class they are in, not any choice they made.
The rules about changing the class of the char is about when a char chooses to change. The only reasons that a warlock would change their class is a lost of faith (which they would loose their powers) or the granted powers are withdrawn.

So the only time they would get a new class was when they are no longer a warlock.

Killer Cyborg · Wed May 23, 2012 6:59 pm

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Grug wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Warlock__________________________________GMCC, no, magic

You might want to state that it is your opinion that a 'warlock' can not multi-class, neither high seas or the PF core book states that it is impossible for them to multi-class.

It is their nature that put them into the class they are in, not any choice they made.
The rules about changing the class of the char is about when a char chooses to change. The only reasons that a warlock would change their class is a lost of faith (which they would loose their powers) or the granted powers are withdrawn. So the only time they would change their their class was when they Had To.

They can multi-class as other kinds of Warlocks, at least. There was an old PFRPG adventure based on an NPC that had (iirc) studied all four elements.

Grug · Unread post by **Grug** » Wed May 23, 2012 7:56 pm

Unless you were a level 5 mercenary first, then became a warlock... It never states once you become a warlock, you cannot pursue other interest. Or do you feel that a warlock could not become a scholar?

Damian Magecraft · Wed May 23, 2012 8:18 pm

Grug wrote:Unless you were a level 5 mercenary first, then became a warlock... It never states once you become a warlock, you cannot pursue other interest. Or do you feel that a warlock could not become a scholar?

Drews views on the system are...
Unique...
And do not reflect the views of all of us.

I for one think he has broken down the classes a tad too much; and needlessly over complicates things.
Occ, Rcc, PCC, and perhaps MCC (and for me the jury is still out on this one) are all that is needed.

drewkitty ~..~ · Wed May 23, 2012 8:48 pm

RCB1
(No New Classes)

R South Am. 1
Sailor______________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (seaman)
Pirate______________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (seaman/bandit)
Voodoo Priest______________________________MCC, yes, magic
The Biomancer_____________________________ MCC, yes (unlikely), magic
Amazon____________________________________RCC, ???, woman at arms
Atlantean Monster Hunter___________________MACC, yes, man at arms
Ewaipanomas______________________________race
Shaydor Spherians_________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Flying Tiger________________________________RPCC, no, man at arms
Flame Panther______________________________RPCC, no, man at arms
Hunter Cat________________________________ RPCC, no, man at arms
Oracle Cat_________________________________RPCC, no, adventurer
Sekhmet___________________________________RGMCC, yes, magic
Tribal Shaman______________________________MCC, yes, magic
Totem Warrior______________________________MACC, yes, man at arms

Rifts Underseas
Rurlel Warrior_______________________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Sea Inquisitor_______________________________MACC, yes (not likely), man at arms (secondary class)
Dolphin Pneuma-Bioform (CoM)_____________RCC, no, adventurer/magic
Orca Pneuma-Bioform (CoM)________________RCC, no, adventurer/magic
Whale Pneuma-Bioform (CoM)______________ RCC, no, adventurer/magic
Whale Singer_______________________________MCC, yes, magic
Ocean Wizard______________________________MCC, yes, magic
Sea Druid__________________________________MCC, yes, magic
Dolphin____________________________________RPCC. no. adventurer
Orca_______________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Sperm Whale_______________________________RCC, no,adventurer
Humpback Whale___________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Tritonian "Sea Wolf"________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms
Tritonian Scientist__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (scientist)
Amphib____________________________________race
Navy Seaman______________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms (seaman)
Marine_____________________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Sea Titan (adventurer)______________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Naut'Yll Soldier____________________________ ROCC, yes, man at arms
Naut'Yll Devastators________________________?CC, (depends, but mostly yes), man at arms
Naut'Yll Koral Shaper_______________________MCC, yes, magic
Kreel-Lok Nomad__________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Horune Pirate______________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer (seaman/bandit)

SoT book 1: Coalition Wars
(no new classes)

SoT book 2: Coalition Overkill
(No New Classes)

SoT book 3: Sorcerer's Revenge
(no new classes)

SoT book 5: Shadows of Evil
(no New Classes)

SoT: Aftermath
(no new classes)

Chi town burbs: Black vault
(no new classes)

drewkitty ~..~ · Wed May 23, 2012 9:06 pm

*The Problem with RCC label is it is used for things that are not RCC's, which makes the RCC label broken.
*The reason for the poliferation of labels I've come up with is that is how many different types of class concept types is that I'm calling them like I see the classes based on the text of the class.
*While to start the KISS principle worked for the class labels. However, now with a more complex class concepts (and the misuse of those labels) in rifts, the labels tend to be broken or too diluted to work right.
[Pardon me for working out my mad at 'the brokenness of the labels' out in such a constructive way. :crane:

]
*Anyone can be a scholar no matter what Class they have. It just take the joy of learning things and no need to change the class.
*Warlock... the simple response is "They are born not made."

Damian Magecraft · Wed May 23, 2012 9:29 pm

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Damian Magecraft wrote:
Grug wrote:Unless you were a level 5 mercenary first, then became a warlock... It never states once you become a warlock, you cannot pursue other interest. Or do you feel that a warlock could not become a scholar?

Drew's views on the system are...
Unique...
And do not reflect the views of all of us.

I for one think he has broken down the classes a tad too much; and needlessly over complicates things.
Occ, Rcc, PCC, and perhaps MCC (and for me the jury is still out on this one) are all that is needed.

The Problem with RCC label is it is used for things that are not RCC's, which makes the RCC label broken.

The reason for the poliferation of labels I've come up with is that is how many different types of class concept types is that I'm calling them like I see the classes based on the text of the class.

While to start the KISS principle worked for the class labels. However, now with a more complex class concepts (and the misuse of those labels) in rifts, the labels tend to be broken or too diluted to work right.
[Pardon me for working out my mad at 'the brokenness of the labels' out in such a constructive way. ]

Anyone can be a scholar no matter what Class they have. It just take the joy of learning things and no need to change the class.

Warlock... the simple response is "They are born not made."

nothing wrong with "correcting" the labels...
I just think you could do with fewer as most would fit neatly under one of those four.
For Example: a Race Restricted class is a RCC (only beings of that race can be one)

as to your view on warlocks... it is your view not the books nor anyone elses for that matter.

glitterboy2098 · Wed May 23, 2012 10:30 pm

Damian Magecraft wrote:
Grug wrote:Unless you were a level 5 mercenary first, then became a warlock... It never states once you become a warlock, you cannot pursue other interest. Or do you feel that a warlock could not become a scholar?

Drews views on the system are...
Unique...
And do not reflect the views of all of us.

I for one think he has broken down the classes a tad too much; and needlessly over complicates things.
Occ, Rcc, PCC, and perhaps MCC (and for me the jury is still out on this one) are all that is needed.

i never thought i'd see the age old "splitters vs lumpers" divide with any palladium topic.

Drewkitty is a splitter, using even minor differences to justify the creation of new categories, creating a complex system.

personally i lean more towards being a lumper.. i think palladium does have a tendency to shoehorn their creations by using some terms (like R.C.C.) too broadly, but i'd rather have a system with 3-4 broad categories than a system where i need an index just to keep track of the terms in use..

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Wed May 23, 2012 11:33 pm

Damian Magecraft wrote:
Grug wrote:Unless you were a level 5 mercenary first, then became a warlock... It never states once you become a warlock, you cannot pursue other interest. Or do you feel that a warlock could not become a scholar?

Drews views on the system are...
Unique...
And do not reflect the views of all of us.

I for one think he has broken down the classes a tad too much; and needlessly over complicates things.
Occ, Rcc, PCC, and perhaps MCC (and for me the jury is still out on this one) are all that is needed.

A tad would have been if he stopped at seven. This is horrendous.

Colt47 · Unread post by **Colt47** » Thu May 24, 2012 9:55 am

Personally, I think Drew Kitty is showing just how absolutely bug nuts the logic is for the character class layout as written. The game would probably be better off if the class system ran off a dependency structure similar to the MOS options for military OCCs, with player races divided into either a selectable base race for OCCs or a selectable monsterous race with their own RCC dependency structure. For example, "Cyborg" would be a base class, the models would be one step further up, and then each model would have it's own starting skill packages that are available. Dragons could be worked the same way (and actually are to some degree), with the "Dragon Hatchling" being the base class and the various types of dragons being the next step up. Obviously, given the number of OCCs out there this kind of organization structure would probably be a bit of work to get fully running, but it's definitely worth the effort.

Generally speaking, Palladium seems to be trying to implement this kind of logic system already, but it's throwing everything together as one package in each OCC and RCC that is released, which generates unnecessary work. Imagine how much simpler life would be if all the rules that govern cyborgs were written in one specific core book: Each time a new world book is released with a new cyborg model, the author would just have write out the models stats and reference the skill packages that go along with it (including any skill substitutions such as languages). Likewise, if a new edition of the game came out that altered certain rules, there would be no need to update any of the world books (maybe errata for any new monsters) since all the world books do is list out new options for a base class and expand the setting.

Some of the base classes I can think of off the top of my head just from looking at the main book would be Soldier, Knight, Cyborg, Mage/Magus, Psychic, Mystic, Adventurer, dragon, and Special Forces (which ironically can include headhunters).

Suddenly this doesn't seem much different than software engineering.

Grug · Unread post by **Grug** » Thu May 24, 2012 1:32 pm

My apologizes, I thought he was stating that the list is canon, and not his own opinion. I Just misunderstood lol.

But on the point of class labeling, to me most classes are just O.C.C., be it wizard, monk, scholar or paladin. Psychics are there own category (P.C.C.), while of course R.C.C. are restricted to a particular race. To me adding more labels seems to complicate matters more.

But that's just me, Drew has done a good job on his list, and if it helps out a few people all the better!

The Dark Elf · Unread post by **The Dark Elf** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:03 pm

Killer Cyborg wrote:They can multi-class as other kinds of Warlocks, at least. There was an old PFRPG adventure based on an NPC that had (iirc) studied all four elements.

In Island at the Edge of the World (PFRPG) The Mad Golem, Jon Hanlon, was a multiple OCC with all four elemental signs to 10th level. He was an NPC but it is clearly stated in his OCC section.

drewkitty ~..~ · Thu May 24, 2012 5:09 pm

R Bionics Sourcebook
City Rat Archetype__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Hero City Rat_______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Hack Rat___________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Maze Rat___________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Pack Rat___________________________________ OCC. yes, adventurer
Gutter Rat_________________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer(or man at arms)
Roof Rat___________________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer
Cyber-Snatcher____________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer
Partial Cyborg______________________________ACC, yes, adventurer/man at arms
Cyber-Humanoid___________________________ACC, yes, adventure/man at arms
Full Bionic Conversion______________________ ACC, yes, man at arms
Slave Borg__________________________________mod
Mining Borg________________________________ACC, yes, adventurer

Triax and the NGR
Infantry Soldier_____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Communications Officer____________________OCC, yes, man at arms (REMF)
Medic/Medical Officer______________________OCC, yes, man at arms (healer)
Cyborg Soldier_____________________________ ACC, yes, man at arms
Field Mechanic_____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (builder)
Power Armor Commando___________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Robot Combat pilot________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms
Robot Soldier optional______________________mod
Intelligence Officer_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer/man at arms (agent)
Intelligence Commando____________________ OCC, yes, man at arms (agent)
Police______________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer/man at arms (militia)
Euro-Juicer_________________________________mod
Gypsy classes are restricted to Gypsies
Gypsy Thief_________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
Gypsy Wizard______________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer
Gypsy Seer_________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Gypsy --The Gifted_________________________PCC, no, adventurer

Coalition War Campaign
(these classes are limited to humans unless noted)
Coalition Cyborg Strike Trooper_______________ACC, yes, man at arms
CS Commando_______________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms
EDO Specialist________________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Coalition Juicers______________________________ACC, yes, man at arms
CS Nautical Specialist (CS SEAL precursor)______OCC, yes, man at arms
CS Ranger____________________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
RCSG Scientist_______________________________ MCC, yes, adventurer (this class just barely nicks being a magic class) (scientist)
RPA "Fly Boy" Ace_____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (pilot)
Special Forces________________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
ISS Peacekeeper______________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
ISS Spector__________________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Intel Specter (ISS Intelligence Officer)_________ OCC, yes, man at arms (agent)
NTSET Psi-Hound____________________________ROCC, yes (Not with in the CS), man at arms
NTSET (humans and psi-stalkers)____________ OCC, yes, man at arms
PRP/Psi-Net Agent___________________________?CC, ??, adventurer/man at arms (agent)
Quick-Flex Rogue___________________________ ROCC, yes, adventurer
Vangard Brawler Thug_______________________ ROCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
Trimadore___________________________________RCC, ??, adventurer

drewkitty ~..~ · Thu May 24, 2012 5:14 pm

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Note: Please do not argue about the differences between what is "book correct" and what you see here. This is something that at it's basic conception says that ALL the Book Correct labels are subject to revision to "what the class actually is."

Grug · Unread post by **Grug** » Thu May 24, 2012 5:36 pm

Sorry Drewkitty, I was not trying to argue. I thought what you were posting was canon, and as I do not own all the books wasn't sure if it was canon or not. Was simply curious if it was, but now since I know it's just your house rules it's all good.

Giant2005 · Unread post by **Giant2005** » Thu May 31, 2012 10:49 am

Shouldn't the Sea Inquisitor be a MOD?
You can't actually make one without first choosing another OCC to stack it on.

drewkitty ~..~ · Thu May 31, 2012 6:21 pm

Anvil Galaxy
Durosk____________________________________race
Durosk____________________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Faustian___________________________________race
Iborian____________________________________race
Iborian Healer_____________________________ RPCC, No, adventurer (healer)
Kelesh_____________________________________race
Kelesh collector____________________________RCC, ??, man at arms
Qidian_____________________________________race
Qidian Adventurer__________________________RPCC, no, adventurer
Sinestrian__________________________________race
Sinestrian Mechanic_________________________RCC, ??, adventurer (builder)
Star Elves___________________________________race
Dwarven Guildmasters______________________ race
Space Minotaurs____________________________ race
Ratanoids___________________________________race
True Naruni_________________________________race
True Naruni_________________________________RCC, ??, adventurer
Uteni_______________________________________race
Uteni_______________________________________RCC, ?? adventurer
Gene-Tech__________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Gene-Tech Monster X________________________RCC, ??, ??
Golgan______________________________________race
Golgan Administrator________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Lurgess_____________________________________race
Lurgess Nomad_____________________________ROCC, ??, adventurer
Zebuloid____________________________________race
Zebuloid Nomad/Pilot________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Altess_______________________________________race
Altess Noble_________________________________ROCC, yes (but not likely), adventurer

drewkitty ~..~ · Thu May 31, 2012 10:51 pm

Dimensional Outbreak
Demon Knight_____________________________ MACC, no, man at arms
Phase Demons_____________________________ MACC, no, man at arms
Demonic Mortals___________________________ MACC, no, man at arms
Greater Demonic Mortal_____________________MACC, no, man at arms

Dyval Hell Unleashed
(No new classes)

Thundercloud Galaxy
Denlech Settler______________________________OCC(or PCC depending), yes/no depending, adventurer (this is location limited)
Keeper of the Forbidden_____________________OCC(or PCC depending), yes/no depending, adventurer (this is location limited) (scholar)
Denlech Avenger____________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
The Exiles___________________________________RCC w/MOS's, no, adventurer/man at arms depending
Kasaro Cannibal hunter/warrior______________RCC, no, man at arms
kujamoyo___________________________________race
Kujamoya___________________________________RCC, no, adventurer
Shakdan Doctor/Interrogator________________ RCC, no, adventurer
Shing (Male)_________________________________RCC, no, magic
Shing (female)______________________________ RCC, no, magic
Zuwadza Shausa-raheem____________________RCC, no, adventurer

Rise of Magic
Blue Zone Wizard__________________________ MCC, yes, magic
Chaos Wizard "kid wizard"__________________PMCC, no, magic
D-Shifter___________________________________PMCC, no, magic
Chaos Witch________________________________NCC
Death Mage________________________________NCC/MCC, yes, magic
Demon Bringer_____________________________NCC/GMCC, yes, magic (this can be a mod)
Demon Caller______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Demon Disciple____________________________NCC
Demon Worshiper__________________________NCC
Doomsayers_______________________________NCC

drewkitty ~..~ · Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:10 pm

Land of the damned 2
(no new classes)

"Further" Adventures in the Northern Wilderness (PF1)
(No new classes)

Wolfen Empire
(no new classes)

Manhunter
Bloodletter____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Cannibal______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (this is a secondary class)
Charlatan_____________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
Choirboy______________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Chrome Warrior_______________________ ACC, yes (if the bionics are removed), man at arms
DriveJock______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (pilot)
Floater________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Integrity Guard________________________OCC, yes (unlikely), man at arms (militia)
Justice Ranger_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer/man at arms (militia)
Martial Dragon________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms
MUTT_________________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Netstalker_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Nuke__________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Scottie_________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
Seeker_________________________________MPCC, yes, magic
Smoker________________________________MCC, yes, magic
TRASHMan_____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Widowmaker___________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Wolfhound_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Zone Boy______________________________ACC (augmentation being superpowers)
Note: secondary class is a class that as per written is a char's second class.

Chaos Earth Creatures of Chaos
(no new classes)

Spirit West
Tribal Warrior___________________________OCC, yes, man at arms/adventurer
Mystic Warrior__________________________ PCC, no, adventurer/man at arms
Totem Warrior__________________________ MACC, no, man at arms
Spirit Warrior___________________________MACC, ??, man at arms
Plant Shaman__________________________ MCC, yes, magic
Animal Shaman_________________________MCC, yes, magic
Mask Shaman__________________________MCC, yes, magic
Healing Shaman________________________MCC, yes, magic
Paradox Shaman_______________________ MCC, yes, magic
Elemental Shaman______________________MCC, yes, magic
Fetish Shaman_________________________ MCC, ??, magic (possibly PCC)

Free Quebec
Quebec Deep Cover Agent______________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
"Descended" Glitterboy Pilot____________OCC, yes, man at arms
Glitter Girl Pilot________________________OCC,yes, woman at arms
Side Kick RPA Pilot_____________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Reload Team__________________________OCC, yes, man at arms

drewkitty ~..~ · Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:52 pm

Australia
Bushman________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Bushranger______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Guide___________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Jackaroo_________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Merchant Trader_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
The City Trader__________________________NCC/OCC, yes, adventurer
Outback Runabout_______________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Raider___________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (bandit)
Roadranger______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Road Sentinel____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Sham-Man______________________________ MCC, yes, magic
Songjuicer_______________________________MACC, yes, man at arms
Administrator____________________________NCC/OCC, yes, adventurer
Cyber-Spector___________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
City Police_______________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Police: TRG______________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Sportsman_______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Technologist_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (scientist)
Aerojock________________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms (pilot)
Infantry Grunt___________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms
Special Operations Soldier________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Navy Sailor_______________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (seaman)
Outback Mutie___________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Phreaker Military Grunt___________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Kwarla___________________________________race
Kwarla Demon Hunter____________________RCC, no, man at arms
Kwarla Provider__________________________ RCC, no, adventurer
(young)Kwarla Mystic_____________________RMCC, no, magic
Mokoloi__________________________________NPC race/race

Warlords of Russia
Bogatyr__________________________________OCC, yes (not likely), man at arms
Ectohunter_______________________________PCC, ??, man at arms (this appears to be boarderline PCC)
Explorer_________________________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Huntsman-Trapper______________________ OCC, yes, adventurer
Traveling Story Teller____________________ OCC, yes, adventurer
Russian Villager/Farmer/Worker__________OCC, yes, adventurer
Cossack_________________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer/man at arms (bandit)
Reaver___________________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (possible bandit)
Reaver Mechanized Cavalry_______________OCC, yes, man at arms
Reaver Assassin___________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (assassin)
Reaver Military Scout______________________OCC, yes, man at arms (outdoorsman)
Reaver Bandit/Raider______________________OCC, yes, man at arms (bandit)
Soldati____________________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Smoke Soldiers--warlord agent____________OCC, yes, man at arms (agent)
War-Knight_______________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (some are PCC, no, man at arms) (healer)
Warlord Cyber-doc________________________OCC, yes adventurer (healer)
Wingrider RPA Pilot_______________________ OCC, yes, man at arms (pilot)
Light machine (borg)______________________ACC, yes, man at arms
Heavy Machine (borg)_____________________ACC, yes, man at arms
Cyborg Shocktroopers____________________ ACC, yes, man at arms
Catholic Priest____________________________NCC
Sovietski Police Officer____________________ACC/OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)
Sovietski Soldier__________________________ACC/OCC, yes, man at arms

drewkitty ~..~ · Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:39 pm

(I will be doing nearly all the rifters in order.)
Rifter 1
New Republican Legionnaire___________OCC, yes, Man at arms
Mafia Enforcer_________________________ROCC(human only), yes, man at arms (OC)
Knight of Kamnos_____________________ ACC, yes (not likely), man at arms
Uziel__________________________________RPCC, ??, adventurer
Psiren_________________________________PCC, no, adventurer
The Bard______________________________PCC, no, adventurer
The Cursed Psychic____________________Mod
Priest_________________________________ GCC, yes, adventurer
Pseudo-Psychic________________________Mod
Transcendent__________________________ Mod

Rifter 2
Antorian Digital Security Specialist_______ROCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Struthio Computer Master_______________ROCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
D-Bee Computer Empath_______________ PCC, no, adventurer (geek)
Coalition Digital Reaper_________________OCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Bionic Hacker___________________________ACC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Cyber Detective________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Traditional Hacker______________________OCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Net Demon_____________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Digital God_____________________________RobotCC, ??, ??
Cybermancer___________________________ MCC, yes, magic (geek)
Blood Shaman(WW)______________________MCC, ??, magic
Combat TW_____________________________ MCC, yes, Magic/man at arms (militia)
Texas Slinger___________________________ MCC, yes, Magic
TW Aviator______________________________MCC, yes, magic (pilot)
TW Gun Bunny__________________________ MCC, yes, magic/man at arms
TW Thief________________________________MCC, yes, magic (OC)
TW Vamp Hunter________________________MCC, yes, magic/man at arms
Seduced TW_____________________________NCC/MACC,no, magic/undead

Rifter 3
Spatial Mage____________________________ MCC, no, magic
Amoeboid Genetic Manipulator__________ ROCC, yes, adventurer (scientist)
The Plasm______________________________RPCC, no, adventurer

Armorlord · Unread post by **Armorlord** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:58 am

On one hand, I will say this is a pretty cool effort to give a further break down of the the various classes, and I do think this can be an awesomely handy reference for people to refresh themselves on what type class something is without digging up and reading the entry.

On the other hand, it is entirely too much break down for actual use in the rules or publications. The KISS principle is a very important one, and keeping it to general categories is for the best. As a basic break down, the OCC/RCC/PCC and Adventurer/Scholar/Man-at-Arms/Magic-User works pretty well, though I will join you in some frustration at the apparent shift toward making that OCC/RCC and Adventurer/Scholar/Man-at-Arms/Magic-User/Psychic, I'm not going to crusade against it.

Seriously, you are an awesome poster, and make awesome posts. I just wish you would tone down this trend of 'PB is wrong and their classes are bad and stupid!' that pervades your every post on this subject. That you like your breakdown more is fine, and even that you disagree with how they are officially done and why is a-OK, but it seems like you have to throw a dig in every other line, and filtering through that gets old.
Take a page from your own sig:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Your house rules need "in my games" "IMO" something similar to distinguish these as your house rules.

In your games and your opinion, you do not see the labeling system as accurate, and that is fine and you have made great points on the subject, but doesn't make the official labeling 'Bad Editing', nor does it make your version 'what type of class it really is'. If nothing else, could you make this concession for the sake of accuracy, as you put it yourself "Questions on this board need canon answers first, then you can post your house rules.", As you've seen, the way you are currently phrasing it has already confused one person, and likely will mislead anyone else stumbling across this thread that isn't aware of your standing 'difference of opinion' with the books. You've couched everything you've said in terms of your way being correct, and that is not strictly true.

You've got a good list here, and I don't see anything I would disagree with off-hand. Since you did take the time to note that the 'multiclass' yes/no is strictly based on the High Seas rules, there isn't really anything to argue there either, sure there are combinations that we may all allow or disallow beyond what is stated here, but whether High Seas would disagree or not is less subjective.
Just remember to make it more clear that your class break down is a house rule, and an not official labeling system.

Anthar · Unread post by **Anthar** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:28 am

Anyway it's not canon so phffft!

drewkitty ~..~ · Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:45 pm

If you had read the disclaimer was in the opening post it should of explained that this whole topic was 'non-canon'.
As for the personal reason for doing this topic is "To Get My Mad Out".

MaxxSterling · Unread post by **MaxxSterling** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:44 pm

I still don't understand limiting a limitless game.

Armorlord · Unread post by **Armorlord** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:18 pm

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:The disclaimer was in the opening post it should of explained that this whole topic was 'non-canon'.

You may want to rephrase it a bit, it isn't so clear at the moment. The closest it gets is the 'Note' halfway down the first post, which really isn't that clearly stated at the moment. Also 'what it really is' on it's own is a bit skewing.

Perhaps something more like:
Note: Please do not argue about the differences between this and what is in the books. This is a revision of the book listings to a system of labels that I believe are more accurate.
-and perhaps further up the post.

As far as 'Note2', if we're redoing the class labels, why not hit HU and BTS too? Skill selection works differently in 'modern' settings, but they are still effectively classes.

MaxxSterling wrote:I still don't understand limiting a limitless game.

This isn't about limiting, mainly labeling.
Drew's multiclass yes/no listing is based off the PFRPG High Seas multi-classing rules, so the kitty is not directly responsible for those restrictions.

drewkitty ~..~ · Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:02 pm

Rifter 4
Were-People (all)_____________________races
Shaman______________________________ROCC, yes, magic
Nordanor____________________________ ROCC, yes, magic
Assimilated Child____________________ ROCC, yes, adventurer
Tribesman___________________________ ROCC, yes, adventurer
Hunter_______________________________ROCC, yes, adventure/Man at arms

Rifter 5
Barnstormer__________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (pilot)
Mecha Test Pilot______________________OCC, yes, adventurer (pilot)
City Operator________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
Wilderness Operator__________________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)
The Armorer_________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (builder)

Rifter 6
Wiseguy______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer/man at arms (OC)
The Cleaner__________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
The Mechanic_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
Gragundi Nomad_____________________ RCC, no, adventurer (N&G)
Gragundi Warrior_____________________ RCC, no, man at arms
Gragundi Shaman____________________ RCC/MCC, no, magic

Rifter 7
Dragon Hunter_______________________MCC, no, man at arms/magic (militia)

Rifter 8
Flyboy_______________________________OCC, yes, Man at arms (appears to be canon)(pilot)
Abandond vampire___________________mod
Blood Priest__________________________NCC/mod
Cursebringer_________________________NCC/MCC, yes (not likely), magic
Death Walker________________________ NCC/MCC, yes (not likely), magic
Murder-Mage________________________NCC/MCC, yes (not likely), magic
Warborn_____________________________NCC/MCC, yes (not likely), magic
Warbaby_____________________________NCC/MCC, yes (not likely), magic

Rifter 9
Astral Knight_________________________PCC, no, man at arms
Astral Junkie_________________________PCC, no, adventurer
High Lord____________________________PCC w/mod, no, adventurer (& other)
The Builders_________________________ RCC, no, adventurer
Bio-Leech____________________________NCC/RCC, no, man at arms
Fire Eater____________________________ NCC/ACC, no, man at arms
Kill Crazy____________________________ NCC/ACC, no, man at arms
Sym-Killer___________________________ NCC/ACC, no, man at arms

Rifter 9.5
Trickster Mage_______________________MCC, yes, magic
Ludicrous Mage______________________MCC, yes, magic

Rifter 10
The Tinkerer_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (builder/scientist)
Changeling Metamorph_______________RPCC, no, adventurer
Militia Member_______________________OCC, yes, adventurer/man at arms (militia)
The Survivalist_______________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (outdoorsman)
Gun Runner/Smuggler________________OCC, yes, adventurer (OC)
Weapon Mage________________________MCC, yes,magic/man at arms

Armorlord · Unread post by **Armorlord** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:38 am

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Armorlord wrote:As far as 'Note2', if we're redoing the class labels, why not hit HU and BTS too? Skill selection works differently in 'modern' settings, but they are still effectively classes.

I excluded them because of the incompatibility of the format used in them.
You yourself would of answered your own questions with out posting if you stopped and think about things, instead of being a typical Rifter that has to have everything spelled out to you no matter how much space it takes up. If you have any ferther questions please just PM me about them.

I would go so far as to note that there is no incompatibility.
If you are calling me a typical printing of Palladium's fine periodical, that covers all of their game lines, I'll take it as a confused compliment. If you are somehow implying that I am a typical Rifts player then I am confused as to what in the world you are talking about, even if I were, I'd be confused by it seeming to be leveled as a negative trait shared amongst the typical examples.

And PM might be fine for side discussions, but there is no reason not to discuss the list making and labeling in the list making and labeling thread.

Let's see, a more restrictive version:

Spoiler:

And a more reasoned out version:

Spoiler:

I might ramble about multiclass options and categories after work, for now, I must sleep.

drewkitty ~..~ · Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:13 am

Rifter 11
(no new classes)

Rifter 12
Lybokja_______________________________ RCC, no, magic

Rifter 13
The Cursed___________________________ PCC, no, adventurer
Arcane Archaeologist__________________OCC, yes, adventurer (scholar)
Occultist______________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (scholar)
Cryptozoologist_______________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (scholar/healer)
Orcish Knight__________________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Orcish Soldier_________________________ ROCC, yes, man at arms
Necro-Tech___________________________ MCC, yes, magic (builder)
Techno-Shifter (Techno-Summoner)____MCC, yes, magic (builder
Knight of the Thirteenth Hour__________RCC, no, man at arms
Children of Rodian_____________________NCC

Rifter 14
Thropo Commando____________________ROCC, yes, man at arms
Atorian Infantry Soldier________________ ROCC, yes, woman at arms

Rifter 15
Brain Fry Ganger_______________________PCC(or Psi Mod), no, adventurer (OC)
Traveller(shifter)_______________________MCC, yes, magic
Seneschal_____________________________ MCC, yes, magic

Rifter 16
True Cobbler__________________________RMCC, no, magic
Athanatos_____________________________Augmented humans, the paths are dependent on the nature of the individual therefor no, dependent on the path

Rifter 17
Dweomer Mage_______________________MCC, yes, magic (scientist)

Rifter 18
Dukun________________________________MCC, yes, magic
Stickfighter___________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Song Mage____________________________MCC, yes, magic (performer)
Symbiotic Warrior(WW)_________________ACC, no, man at arms
Wanderer Psychic______________________PCC, no, adventurer
"Bugboys"_____________________________OCC, yes (unlike), adventurer
(CE classes already covered)

Rifter 19
Blaster________________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Freezer_______________________________ PCC, no, adventurer
Soaker________________________________PCC. no, adventurer
Demon Hunter_______________________ RCC, no, man at arms
(CE classes already covered)

Rifter 20
Shade Mage_________________________ GMCC, yes, magic

Rifter 21
Info Junkie___________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (geek)
Familiar Wrangler____________________ MCC, yes, magic (rancher)

Rifter 22
(no new classes)

Rifter 23
Spell Breather________________________ MCC, yes, magic (rancher)
Living Magic_________________________ magic beings
Blade Mage__________________________ MCC, yes, magic/man at arms
Faerie Knight_________________________race/RCC, no, man at arms
CS Target Acquisition Groups (TAG)___Mod (MOS)

Rifter 24
Performer_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (performer)
Field Reporter_________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (agent)
Rifts Bard_____________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (can not be a 2nd class) (performer)
Rifts Gladiator_________________________?CC, ??, man at arms (performer)
Metabolic Juicer_______________________ PCC, no, man at arms
Card Mage____________________________ MCC, yes, magic (builder)

Armorlord · Unread post by **Armorlord** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:55 am

In response to your PM, if you don't want something discussed, you probably should not be putting it up on a discussion board. If you don't want it commented on until it is done, then perhaps you should complete it before you put it up for comment.

My apologies for for not getting the 'fracking hint'.

The public response is as a courtesy to help ensure that others do not disturb you or your thread by making the same mistake of wanting to contribute toward your efforts.

Please let us know if and when you would like to open this thread to discussion, I had found it fairly interesting.

drewkitty ~..~ · Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:24 pm

Rifter 25
Enthraller___________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Intuitive Warrior_____________________PCC, no, man at arms
Kinetic Master______________________ PCC, no, adventurer
Telepath___________________________ PCC, no, adventurer

Rifter26
Animator___________________________ MCC, yes, magic

Rifter 27
SFE Commando_____________________ OCC, yes, man at arms
Psionic Collective____________________PCC, no, adventurer (agent)
Combat spook______________________ PCC, no, adventurer (agent)
Samurai/Ronin______________________OCC, no, Man at arms [PF Oriental class]
Ninja_______________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (agent) [PF Oriental class]
Warrior Monk_______________________ OCC, yes, man at arms [PF Oriental class]

Rifter 28
Geo-Scout__________________________OCC, yes, man at arms [Canon, Rifts China 2] (Outdoorsman)
Wraith Soldier_______________________RCC, no, man at arms (ghost)
CS Janissary_________________________RCC, ??, man at arms
Shadow Lord________________________race/NCC

Rifter 29
Arken Warrior________________________PMCC, yes, man at arms
Yakuza Clansman____________________MACC, yes (unlikely), man at arms (OC)
Cyber-Ninja_________________________ACC, yes, adventurer (agent)
Police Officer________________________OCC, yes, man at arms (militia)

Rifter 30
(no new classes)

Rifter 31
(No New Classes)

Rifter 32
Vulture_______________________________ACC, ??, man at arms (bandit)
Mount Rustler________________________ACC, ??, adventurer (bandit)
Gene Thief___________________________ACC, no, adventurer (bandit)
Journeyman Chef_____________________OCC, yes, adventurer (cook)
Coalition "Cookie"_____________________OCC, yes, man at arms/adventurer (cook/REMF)
High Cook____________________________MCC, yes, magic (Cook)

Rifter 33
Acisse Tribal Hunter___________________ROCC, yes, adventurer/man at arms (H&G)
Adna__________________________________race
Adna Nomad__________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
Forest Warder__________________________RCC, no, adventurer (outdoorsman)
Idni fisherman_________________________ROCC, yes, adventure (H&G)
Two-Horned Techno-Man adventurer__ROCC, yes, adventurer

Rifter 34
Troglodyte Male______________________RCC, yes, adventurer (H&G)
Troglodyte Female___________________ RCC, yes, adventurer (H&G)
Maqui Knouldum_____________________race
MK Initiate___________________________RCC, no, adventurer
MK Outcast__________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer
MK Council Member__________________Mod
MK Divided__________________________Mod
MK Wisdoms_________________________NCC

Rifter 35
USMC Mechanized Specialist__________OCC, yes, Man at arms

Rifter 37
Naga Dancer_________________________ACC, ??, adventurer (agent)
Pariah_______________________________ACC, ??, Man at arms (assassin)

Rifter 38
Laser Mage_________________________ PMCC, no, magic
Slaver______________________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (bandit)

Rifter 39
(no new classes)

Rifter 40
Berserker___________________________OCC, yes (not likely) man at arms
Savage Warrior_____________________ OCC, yes, man at arms
Native Tribesman___________________OCC, yes, adventurer (H&G)
Wild Man___________________________OCC, yes, adventurer (Tarzan)

Rifter 41
(No new classes)

Rifter 42
(no new classes)

Rifter 43
(no new classes)

Rifter 44
Eastern Templar____________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Long Bowman______________________OCC, yes, man at arms
NB Talent Shaper___________________ROCC, yes, adventurer (scientist)

Rifter 45
Psi Archer__________________________PCC, no, man at arms
Demon Archer______________________ OCC, yes. man at arms
Circus Archer_______________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (performer)
Mystic Knight Revised_______________ PMCC, no, magic/man at arms

Rifter 46
Conscript____________________________OCC, yes, man at arms
Hussarley___________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms
Mystic Kahuna_______________________MCC/PCC, ??, magic

Rifter 47
Cargo Priest__________________________PMCC, yes, magic {I personally think this one is stupid}
USAF Special Forces Soldier___________ OCC w/ MOS, yes, man at arms
USAF Combat pilot____________________OCC, yes, man at arms (pilot)
Civilian Scientist______________________OCC w/MOS, yes, adventurer (scientist)

Rifter 48
(missing exp. tables from Nightlands page 23-24)
D'Yar_________________________________race/NCC/RCC, ??, adventurer/magic
Enoch________________________________race
Priest Mods
Acolyte_______________________________GMCC, yes, magic/adventurer
Spirit Monk___________________________OCC, yes, man at arms

Rifter 49
(no new classes)

Rifter 50
Mortificants___________________________MCC, yes, magic
"adding psi PPC powers to existing CE chars"___Mod
Psychic_______________________________ PCC, no, adventurer
Charismatic___________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Reactionary___________________________PCC, no, adventurer
Teke Freak___________________________ PCC, no, adventurer
Gardener_____________________________ACC, ??, adventurer (agent) [canon splicers class]
Tormenter____________________________ACC, no, adventurer [canon splicers class]
Geneticist____________________________ ACC/OCC, ??, adventurer (doctor) [canon splicers class]
Homunculi____________________________bio-weapon [canon splicers]
Zodiac Mage__________________________MCC, yes (not likely), magic [canon PF class]

Anthar · Unread post by **Anthar** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:40 pm

Yet he has a point. It is unreasonable to expect to have no commentary when you comment on a public forum. I, for one find that the classifications you presented here are more along the lines of obsessive nitpicking rather than anything truly constructive. As a game that has hundreds and thousands of rules I find that the classifications that exist now work just fine. Anything else really is up to the individual group/gm.

Armorlord · Unread post by **Armorlord** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:18 pm

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Armorlord, when you respond to a PM you do it are a PM. Not a PM and a Post.

Normally I frown on bringing something from a PM into the open, but it had been more about things that should be in the thread already, not a PM in the first place.

You have already demonstrated you do not understand the differenc between a "class" and a "Power cat" and the why the there is a incombatablitiy issue between the two formats.

Actually, I believe I demonstrated that there is not an incompatibility with your labeling system.

Frankly this topic is me posting where I see PB has gone wrong with their labeling.

And as someone trying to put proper labels on things, I am surprised that you balk at relabeling everything in terms of 'what they really are'. The only arguments you could make against that would be the same ones people could make about the rest of your efforts here.

(no need to respond)

And yet you address me directly, which invites response to defend myself and correct inaccuracies.
With direct responses said, I will again hold off on further commentary until you feel ready to allow people to actually discuss your thread, as requested.

drewkitty ~..~ · Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:09 pm

Rifter 51
Metamorph________________________ACC, no, man at arms
Swarm Lord__________________________ ACC, no, man at arms
Vulbund_____________________________ RCC, no, adventurer

Rifter 52
Atlantean Dilettante___________________RMCC, yes, magic
Atlantean Tattoo Master_______________RMCC, yes, magic
Atlantean Drifter______________________RMCC, yes, magic
Sunaj Slayer__________________________ MACC, yes, man at arms (racially restricted)
Sunaj Warrior Thrall___________________MACC, yes (if the decide they are not a slave and go elsewhere), man at arms
Sunaj Slaver__________________________MACC, yes, adventurer (racially restricted)
Cannibal Mage_______________________MCC, yes, magic
Living Rune Sword____________________magic being
Invoked______________________________RCC, no, ??/magic
Elementalist__________________________RCC, no, ??/magic
Cleric________________________________ RCC, no, ??/healer
Psion_________________________________RPCC, no, ??
Warper_______________________________RCC, no. ??/man at arms
Lightbringer__________________________RCC, no. ??/man at arms
Soul Drinker__________________________RCC, no. ??/man at arms

Rifter 53
Lucky Psychic_________________________PCC, no, adventurer

Rifter 55
Quorian Riftlord______________________ RMCC, yes, magic
Ancestral Mystic______________________ PCC, no, adventurer

Rifter 56
Absconder____________________________ mod/OCC, ??, adventurer
Obrkah_______________________________ race
Shar Katarr____________________________race
Tainted Martyr________________________ Mod, no, Psi

Rifter 57
NGR Anthropological Field Operative___OCC, yes, adventurer
Brodkil War Machinist__________________ROCC, yes, adventurer

Rifter 58
Kezel_________________________________mutant humans
Un-Bestowed Kezel___________________ mod
Bestowed Kezel_______________________ ROCC, yes (not likely), adventurer (& sometimes magic)
Sea Mystic____________________________ PMCC, no, magic (canon, Lemuria class)
Lemurian Citizen______________________ROCC w/mod, yes/no, adventurer (canon, Lemuria class)
Lemurian Experimenter________________ROCC, yes, adventurer (scientist) (canon, Lemuria class)
Lemurian Healer_______________________RPCC, no, adventurer (psi healer) (canon, Lemuria class)

drewkitty ~..~ · Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:47 pm

Africa
Phoenixi_______________________________ race/RCC, no, adventurer
Ramen_________________________________race/RCC, mo, man at arms
Tautons________________________________race/RCC, no, man at arms
Children of Amon______________________ Mod
Crocodillians___________________________ race/ROCC, yes, adventurer
Jinn____________________________________ NCC
African Witch___________________________ NCC
Medicine Man___________________________MCC, yes,, magic (healer mage)
African Rain Maker______________________MCC, yes, magic
African Priest___________________________ GMCC, yes, magic
Mind Bleeder____________________________race/RPCC, no, adventurer
Necromancer___________________________ MCC, yes, magic
Pygmy Hunter___________________________ROCC, yes, adventurer/man at arms (H&G)
Pygmy Shaman__________________________RMCC, yes, magic
Agogwe_________________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer
Tree People_____________________________race/RCC, no, adventurer

Canada
Tundra Ranger__________________________ OCC, yes, man at arms (mitilia)
Tundra Ranger Scout____________________ OCC, yes, adventurer (mitilia)
Tundra Ranger Cavalry___________________OCC, yes, man at arms (mitilia)
Trapper-Woodsman______________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Cyber Horsemen_________________________race
Headhunter Techno-Warrior______________OCC(ACC), yes, adventurer/man at arms (merc)
Headhunter Assassin_____________________OCC, yes, adventurer
Headhunter Anti-Robot Specialist_________OCC, yes, man at arms
Headhunter Techno-Hound_______________ACC, yes, adventurer/man at arms (Mechanic/merc)
Headhunter Momano Hunter______________MACC, yes, adventurer/man at arms
True Sasquach___________________________race/NCC/RPCC, yes, adventurer
Worldly Sasquach________________________mod

drewkitty ~..~ · Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:48 pm

Arzno
Thumper_______________________________ race/RPCC, no, adventurer
Waste Monkey__________________________ NCC
Blood Priest_____________________________NCC/mod

Merctown
(no new classes)

"Burbs" The Vanguard
Vanguard Espionage Agent/VE Agent_____MCC, yes, magic (agent)
Vanguard Mystic Spy_____________________MPCC, no, magic (agent)
Vanguard Mystic Thief___________________ MPCC, no, magic (agent/OC)
Vanguard Savant_________________________MCC, yes, magic (agent/IA)
Vanguard Translocator___________________MCC, yes, magic (agent)
Vanguard Waylayer______________________ MCC, yes, magic/man at arms (assassin)

"Burbs" Firetown & the TC
(no new classes)

"Burbs" Forbidden Knowledge
(no new classes)

Rifts Adventure Guide
(no new classes)

Machinations of Doom
(no new classes)

Mechanoids
(no new classes)