Magic or not? Burster and a Mystic Kuznya.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Good question.

Not sure there is a canon answer for this.

[Nekira Sudacne]

it's considered Psychic fire, with Psionics and ISP being distinct but related to Magic. It can harm things invunerable to mundane attacks like werewolves, ect.

[drewkitty ~..~]

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it's considered Psychic fire, with Psionics and ISP being distinct but related to Magic.

Is there canon a reference for this?

Consider "What a Burster Is" and you will have a canon reference.

In my comments I did take a second though about it and could not remember anything "Specifically said" that the fire produced by the pyrokinisis of the burster being specifically psionic in nature. And that there are differing levels of fire produced by the burster. So I might of been over thinking things.

[dragonfett]

I personally would say that it would affect the MK as the fire would not be "normal".

[say652]

i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

[Nekira Sudacne]

i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

Umm, Invunerability renders one immune to magical energy attacks, fire specifically included. so none of a bursters psionics would hurt an invunerable character, weather they are psionic attacks or not.

I see a lot of people miss it, but it's there, the same paragraph that says invunerable characters are vunerable to magic attacks specify that magic energy is not included and they still take no damage from fireballs.

[dragonfett]

i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

Umm, Invunerability renders one immune to magical energy attacks, fire specifically included. so none of a bursters psionics would hurt an invunerable character, weather they are psionic attacks or not.

I see a lot of people miss it, but it's there, the same paragraph that says invunerable characters are vunerable to magic attacks specify that magic energy is not included and they still take no damage from fireballs.

Why would you say that none of a Burster's Psionics would affect an Invulnerable character if they are immune to
MAGIC energy. I was not aware that the Burster's powers were magic.

[say652]

i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

Umm, Invunerability renders one immune to magical energy attacks, fire specifically included. so none of a bursters psionics would hurt an invunerable character, weather they are psionic attacks or not.

I see a lot of people miss it, but it's there, the same paragraph that says invunerable characters are vunerable to magic attacks specify that magic energy is not included and they still take no damage from fireballs.

um NO. it is listed under the power it offers no protection vs PSIONICS ORMAGIC both inflict full damage.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Try reading the full paragraph. emphasis mine.

"The character is only, truly, vulnerable to psionics, spell magic, magic illusions and magic weapons, all of which have full effect. However, energy type magic, like fire balls, does no damage"

Page 278 Heroes Unlimited second edition. seriously. always been there

[Nekira Sudacne]

Question. What does heroes unlimited have to do with invulnerability? its a bestowed power by a god, yes. But it is not the power of invulnerability itself is it? They are immune to regular fire, so any psionicly fueled flame that is still doing SDC damage shouldn't hurt them. They are minor MDC creatures now. So as long as the flames can do MD damage, they are vulnerable to them? That's just how I interpret the power, abilities, and the question posed.

nothing. it's a tangent

[say652]

hence why i ruled spending 6isp on a 2d6md blast WILL harm an invulnerable character.

[Nekira Sudacne]

hence why i ruled spending 6isp on a 2d6md blast WILL harm an invulnerable character.

Ummm

um NO. it is listed under the power it offers no protection vs PSIONICS OR MAGIC both inflict full damage.

You just claimed that the power says it offers no protection aginst magic fire. Hence my pointing out it did. also

i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

You clearly idnicates here was that your houserule was that only the MD fire blasts are magic and this "toned the bursters down". if you were houseruling that they could harm invunerable characters, that would be beefing them up, not toning them down.


That, or you just mangled the wording.

[say652]

hence why i ruled spending 6isp on a 2d6md blast WILL harm an invulnerable character.

Ummm

um NO. it is listed under the power it offers no protection vs PSIONICS OR MAGIC both inflict full damage.

You just claimed that the power says it offers no protection aginst magic fire. Hence my pointing out it did. also

i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

You clearly idnicates here was that your houserule was that only the MD fire blasts are magic and this "toned the bursters down". if you were houseruling that they could harm invunerable characters, that would be beefing them up, not toning them down.
in hu anywho i needed to rationilize spending 6 isp for a 2d6 sdc blast.......... hey how about this........this blast harms invulnerable characters, yea thats it.

That, or you just mangled the wording.

[dragonfett]

Try reading the full paragraph. emphasis mine.

"The character is only, truly, vulnerable to psionics, spell magic, magic illusions and magic weapons, all of which have full effect. However, energy type magic, like fire balls, does no damage"

Page 278 Heroes Unlimited second edition. seriously. always been there

This still has nothing to do with the Burster because the Burster's fire is NOT MAGIC!!! Seriously! It is Psionic!

[Nekira Sudacne]

Try reading the full paragraph. emphasis mine.

"The character is only, truly, vulnerable to psionics, spell magic, magic illusions and magic weapons, all of which have full effect. However, energy type magic, like fire balls, does no damage"

Page 278 Heroes Unlimited second edition. seriously. always been there

This still has nothing to do with the Burster because the Burster's fire is NOT MAGIC!!! Seriously! It is Psionic!

True, but then why did Say have to houserule that they do?

[say652]

sdc fires are "normal"fires i.e. cannot harm mdc materials. by spending triple the isp cost you can now harm mdc materials at 2d6md increments.

[dragonfett]

I don't know, I am not say652. I am just going by what I remember seeing in the books.

[say652]

because in this case invulnerability protects against "energy" but in rifts is vulnerable to MD attacks.

[drewkitty ~..~]

sdc fires are "normal"fires i.e. cannot harm mdc materials. by spending triple the isp cost you can now harm mdc materials at 2d6 md increments.

"Normal fire" is fire that is not mystically augmented. Or to say 'normal' fire is mundane fire.

Any fire made via magic or psionics is never "normal". (However, these magic and psionic fires can cause 'normal' fire by causing flammable stuff to burn.)

[Tor]

I think the problem here is that "Immune to normal, hurt by magic" leaves a middle ground of things which are non-magic but abnormal. I'm not certain we'll have a clear answer here.

If we take "normal" to mean "non-magic" then psionics fall under that and would not hurt them. Just like forms of MD flame.