New York-What happened to it?

[ShadowLogan]

The City or the State of New York? According to the main book(s)

The City of New York (Manhattan) is now known as Madhaven. There isn't much about it in the main book, but there is an entire World Book dedicated to it.

The rest of the state is basically open wilderness. Not sure if any books go into more depth.

[Pepsi Jedi]

I personally did not like Madhaven, not even a little bit. One of my most disliked books.

Some other people think it's the best thing EVAH!!!

So, opinions vary to both extremes. With out knowing you, I can't possibly say which side you come down on.

[taalismn]

Please...I've always regarded the Big Apple as extremely dangerous. Madhaven came as no surprise.

Though perhaps we should have Worldbook Los Angeles, City of Smog to balance it?

[taalismn]

Nah L.A sank beneth the waves... Now rifts Detroit that's gotta be a none stop war zone with cyborg cops fight demon ran criminal empires

Cyborgs of the Motor City? With classic auto-motifs?
"Tribe Edsel Triumphantttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Mech-Viper Prime]

I personally did not like Madhaven, not even a little bit. One of my most disliked books.

Some other people think it's the best thing EVAH!!!

So, opinions vary to both extremes. With out knowing you, I can't possibly say which side you come down on.

I like it for the most part, only I didn't was the knights and the mutants(which honestly sucked, been better off doing a mutant with a random generator)

[Balabanto]

I love Madhaven for what it does for the game, as far as OCCs people WANT to play.

I hate Madhaven because it should have been different. But it's still a good sourcebook.

[Carl Gleba]

Madhaven speaks about NYC.

Spirit West talks about the state of New York and mentions some of the Native Americans who reside there. Otherwise not a lot of details.

As someone who lives in central NY I have always been interested on Palladium's take on my neck of the woods. These are the only books that I can recall.

[taalismn]

Long House Preserve up in Central NY, crazy arrogant mutants in NYC, Ghost Rider Shemarrian Tribe also wandering around New York(it's their assigned 'territory').
Other than that, not much canon mention of what's in old New York.

[abtex]

Nah L.A sank beneth the waves...

So people and DBees would be living on tops and inside of the taller buildings. Barges like the ones in Undersea's city used for added living and work space. Oil Derricks type platforms dotting to water linked to sunken buildings and rich salvage sites.
The city scape
Walkway between buildings
Section of city at Low Tide when the masses in their pods come out to see what the last tide washed in or uncovered. Think the Gold Rush on a daily and weekly basic. Get to the salvage before it washes away or one else takes it.

Their pods could be personal vehicle concepts that are more swimming vehicles but can also drive on land, with work arms, cargo beds and weapons. Oh yes weapons.

Larger vehicles used by Companies' Mercs to defending rich finds and Out of Town Raiders attacking just about anyone. Raiders from the sea and the hills over looking the Inland sea, that was once LA basin.

Sections of the City could be Fade Towns, powered by lost artifacts from the First Time of Magic. Awaken with the New Age (the now of Rifts).

Giving us some more use of Lemuria and Undersea. Land and water vehicles from other books.
But this has nothing to do with New York.

[taalismn]

Fantastic stuff....yep, if not post-Rifts, possibly pre-Rifts Los Angeles. .

[BlueLion]

why not steal a move from fallout and do Rifts Las Vegas.

Truth is I would like to see a Lazlo/new Lazlo source book before they decide to have the CS utterly crush them. (yes I know there is optional material in a Rifter for Lazlo)

[taalismn]

why not steal a move from fallout and do Rifts Las Vegas.
)

Las Vegas is covered in Rifts Black Market; it's a Black Market 'free zone' for caravans and trading, though the ruins themselves are heavily haunted.

[BlueLion]

why not steal a move from fallout and do Rifts Las Vegas.
)

Las Vegas is covered in Rifts Black Market; it's a Black Market 'free zone' for caravans and trading, though the ruins themselves are heavily haunted.

I was making a joke. Most cities the cataclysm will not be like they where before. Rather then focusing a whole world book on dead cities about fleshing out the bigger kingdoms in the main play area. In addition we need what is happing at the rift that has Larson brigade tied up.

[The Galactus Kid]

I personally did not like Madhaven, not even a little bit. One of my most disliked books.

Some other people think it's the best thing EVAH!!!

So, opinions vary to both extremes. With out knowing you, I can't possibly say which side you come down on.

It's ok Pepsi. You have other redeeming qualities so I've overlooked this slight and called off the assassins.

[kaid]

Nah L.A sank beneth the waves...

So people and DBees would be living on tops and inside of the taller buildings. Barges like the ones in Undersea's city used for added living and work space. Oil Derricks type platforms dotting to water linked to sunken buildings and rich salvage sites.
The city scape
Walkway between buildings
Section of city at Low Tide when the masses in their pods come out to see what the last tide washed in or uncovered. Think the Gold Rush on a daily and weekly basic. Get to the salvage before it washes away or one else takes it.

Their pods could be personal vehicle concepts that are more swimming vehicles but can also drive on land, with work arms, cargo beds and weapons. Oh yes weapons.

Larger vehicles used by Companies' Mercs to defending rich finds and Out of Town Raiders attacking just about anyone. Raiders from the sea and the hills over looking the Inland sea, that was once LA basin.

Sections of the City could be Fade Towns, powered by lost artifacts from the First Time of Magic. Awaken with the New Age (the now of Rifts).

Giving us some more use of Lemuria and Undersea. Land and water vehicles from other books.
But this has nothing to do with New York.

One interesting thing is we really have not yet seen nor heard to much of what if anything lies beyond the rockies to the west yet. There are a few passing mentions of bad things TM but almost everything stops at the rockies at least for the old US portion of it I think some of the seattle area is talked about a bit in canada.

[RoadWarriorFWaNK]

There is also some canon Madhaven material in Rifter 36: treasure tables, new OCCs, Darkhounds, and TW Gear

[taalismn]

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I was making a joke. Most cities the cataclysm will not be like they where before. Rather then focusing a whole world book on dead cities about fleshing out the bigger kingdoms in the main play area. In addition we need what is happing at the rift that has Larson brigade tied up.

We don't joke about what happened in Vegas. In fact, we don't even mention what happened in Vegas.

[BookWyrm]

What happened TO Vegas, stays in Vegas?
I think if you pick up Rifts Black Market, there are details.

[taalismn]

What happened TO Vegas, stays in Vegas?
I think if you pick up Rifts Black Market, there are details.

In Rifts, nothing that happens to a city tends to stay IN the city. There tends to be leakage of nastiness, mutant monsters/OCCs/RICCs.

[FrankSerpico]

There is also some canon Madhaven material in Rifter 36: treasure tables, new OCCs, Darkhounds, and TW Gear

^Thanks for that, I'll have to grab that issue

[jaymz]

Madhaven...enjoyed it.

Would LOVE to see an adventure book for the Detroit/Windsor area considering how many times I drove through it for work....

[taalismn]

Madhaven...enjoyed it.

Would LOVE to see an adventure book for the Detroit/Windsor area considering how many times I drove through it for work....

Unless Detroit had continued its downward economic spiral during the Golden Age of Technology, I'd imagine the city would get a MAJOR boost from the Megadamage Age economic surge, since I could see major politicking for new-tech investment, leading to interesting stuff being built there in the economic renewal.

[jaymz]

Madhaven...enjoyed it.

Would LOVE to see an adventure book for the Detroit/Windsor area considering how many times I drove through it for work....

Unless Detroit had continued its downward economic spiral during the Golden Age of Technology, I'd imagine the city would get a MAJOR boost from the Megadamage Age economic surge, since I could see major politicking for new-tech investment, leading to interesting stuff being built there in the economic renewal.

[PSI-Lence]

i've never been to detroit but would gladly see a book for the region (and more southern ontario where i am from) especially with how well the region should be known since it's not too far from where palladium is based i figure they would have a lot of first hand detail going into it

i still haven't read madhaven but i am in new york now and ordered the book since it never interested me as much as others i was buying until now (also i'm still new on the boards, and nyc but been playing a long time anyone around new york brooklyn know where to find books without ordering online or possibly a gaming group at some point and want to private message me even?)

[Carl Gleba]

here the complete strategist. Best gaming store I found when I was in NYC. It's on 33rd st. Not far from the Empire State Building.

[keir451]

Yesa, you'll want the Madhaven book for information on NYC and Manhattan. Be warned though, Madhaven is named because it drives ALL adventurers who spend too much time there LITERALLY insane. The creators made it and equal opporutnity F.U. which is interesting, but not my "cuppa tea". The cover artwork was EXCELLENT though!

[Sureshot]

I personally did not like Madhaven, not even a little bit. One of my most disliked books.

Some other people think it's the best thing EVAH!!!

So, opinions vary to both extremes. With out knowing you, I can't possibly say which side you come down on.

I don't dislike the book. Just found the origin of the psychic imprint that drives people insane lacking. That would mean any area like New York or Moscow or a similar city would have such a psychic imprint. As well the whole were mutants not humans and human are inferior attitiude from the denizens of Madhaven annoying. Other than that a decent book.

[taalismn]

I personally did not like Madhaven, not even a little bit. One of my most disliked books.

Some other people think it's the best thing EVAH!!!

So, opinions vary to both extremes. With out knowing you, I can't possibly say which side you come down on.

I don't dislike the book. Just found the origin of the psychic imprint that drives people insane lacking. That would mean any area like New York or Moscow or a similar city would have such a psychic imprint. As well the whole were mutants not humans and human are inferior attitiude from the denizens of Madhaven annoying. Other than that a decent book.

London's essentially a Splugorth encampment; maybe they were drawn by a delicious aura of Old World evil there lacking in New York?

I believe Moscow's a crater in Rifts. Beijing's probably a demon city. so who can tell what the psychic imprint is under all that more recent malicious chi?

[Mech-Viper Prime]

I imagine ruins of disney world would a lot more scarier then mad haven could ever be.

[Pepsi Jedi]

With the rising Sea levels Seattle likely didn't do very well.

I'd like to see what happened to the entire west coast though. It's been 'hands off' from the start of Rifts, and for decades I've been waiting to see the amazing ideas that Kevin had for out there.

So far, still waiting.

[PSI-Lence]

here the complete strategist. Best gaming store I found when I was in NYC. It's on 33rd st. Not far from the Empire State Building.

thanks not sure anymore how long i'll be here but i will try to stop in ... though i wish i could stop by the palladium office on the way home but that'd be a lot in extra bus fare lol)