Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Diabolists, Techno-Wizards & Psionicists, Oh my! All things that are Magics and Psionics in all Palladium Games.

Moderators: Immortals, Supreme Beings, Old Ones

Smooth Operator
Wanderer
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:25 am

Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by Smooth Operator »

If you cast Fourth Dimension Transformation on yourself, what do you get to take with you? Clothes? Armor? Man-sized (worn, not piloted) power armor? Is there a rule of thumb in the books for what goes with you if you use a spell that transforms you but doesn't alter your form and doesn't explicitly say if your equipment is affected?

D-Shift Two Dimensions states that it affects the caster and anything he is wearing or that is on his person. Would it be safe to infer that shifting yourself up via Fourth Dimension Transformation would similarly affect items you are wearing or that are on your person? I just don't see how it would make sense to be able to shift in and out of the fourth dimension at will but be forced to leave everything you're wearing behind.
User avatar
Nekira Sudacne
Monk
Posts: 15599
Joined: Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:22 pm
Comment: The Munchkin Fairy
Location: 2nd Degree Black Belt of Post Fu
Contact:

Re: Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by Nekira Sudacne »

By the text of the spell, your gear does not become four dimensional, but that's also pretty irrelevent as you can drag 3d objects into 4d anyway sinse 4d is infintely larger than 3d.
Sometimes, you're like a beacon of light in the darkness, giving me some hope for humankind. ~ Killer Cyborg

You can have something done good, fast and cheap. If you want it done good and fast, it's not going to be cheap. If you want it done fast and cheap it won't be good. If you want something done good and cheap it won't be done fast. ~ Dark Brandon
User avatar
eliakon
Palladin
Posts: 9093
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:40 pm
Comment: Palladium Books Canon is set solely by Kevin Siembieda, either in person, or by his approval of published material.
Contact:

Re: Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by eliakon »

My gut feeling would be that this would be like a metamorphosis spell and affect nothing else (this is for game balance issues, this prevents the classic 4-D assassin leaving nukes around). I would not have an issue with a small amount of mundane, non-magical clothing...but I would say that there is no way that power armor would be affected.
The rules are not a bludgeon with which to hammer a character into a game. They are a guide to how a group of friends can get together to weave a collective story that entertains everyone involved. We forget that at our peril.

Edmund Burke wrote:The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
User avatar
Tor
Palladin
Posts: 6975
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:37 pm
Comment: If you have something to say, back it up with thoughts and reasons. Simply posting to agree or disagree tends to be a waste.
Location: Pyramid

Re: Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by Tor »

In spite of the name, the spell does not make you an actual 4th dimension being, the name is merely slang. I believe the term it uses is pseudo, which means fake...

So basically you fake like you're 4D by acquiring many of the abilities 4D beings have.

As for taking gear, that would follow the rules of whatever spells you're using cost-free.

Although yeah, there's no guidelines for stepping in and out... so I think in regard to THAT aspect you would be naked and gearless, unless you want to give them the capacity of the spells.
"1st edition? 2nd edition? It doesnt matter! Let's just talk" -Forums of the Megaverse
Smooth Operator
Wanderer
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:25 am

Re: Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by Smooth Operator »

I suppose I'll need to create a technowizard device then.
"Well, look at that! 'Breach hull, all die' — I even had it underlined!" - MST 3000
User avatar
Zamion138
Hero
Posts: 1569
Joined: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:34 pm
Location: Carson City NV

Re: Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by Zamion138 »

Id say your personal gear, armor, backpack, ect. But none of it is going to work while your the 4th diminsional state.
Heck the power matrix in the 4th diminsion might not be the same as ours, the physics are deffintly diffrent, say its all innert in its current state.
Smooth Operator
Wanderer
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:25 am

Re: Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by Smooth Operator »

Zamion138 wrote:Id say your personal gear, armor, backpack, ect. But none of it is going to work while your the 4th diminsional state.
Heck the power matrix in the 4th diminsion might not be the same as ours, the physics are deffintly diffrent, say its all innert in its current state.


Wouldn't matter either way since you can't interact with anything in the 3rd dimension.
"Well, look at that! 'Breach hull, all die' — I even had it underlined!" - MST 3000
User avatar
Tor
Palladin
Posts: 6975
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:37 pm
Comment: If you have something to say, back it up with thoughts and reasons. Simply posting to agree or disagree tends to be a waste.
Location: Pyramid

Re: Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by Tor »

I dunno there may be some usefulness of gear when you are isolated in 4th dimension state which we are not thinking of...

Maybe versus others also in that state... dunno
"1st edition? 2nd edition? It doesnt matter! Let's just talk" -Forums of the Megaverse
User avatar
wyrmraker
Hero
Posts: 1547
Joined: Tue May 11, 2010 3:52 pm

Re: Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by wyrmraker »

I am not seeing any mention of gear in the spell 4-D Transformation, in either England of the Book of Magic.

Personally, I would expect that normally worn equipment would come with the caster. But that's me.
Smooth Operator
Wanderer
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:25 am

Re: Fourth Dimension Transformation Question

Unread post by Smooth Operator »

wyrmraker wrote:I am not seeing any mention of gear in the spell 4-D Transformation, in either England of the Book of Magic.

Personally, I would expect that normally worn equipment would come with the caster. But that's me.


It would be awfully weird to walk out of what you're wearing, wouldn't it? Though I'm sure I could find a way to make that work to my advantage.
Post Reply

Return to “Guild of Magic & Psionics”