Need a New OCC

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:59 am

looking for suggestions for a human, major psionic character who is an anarchist at heart. already capped out paratrooper and he's not going back into samurai.

I'm toying with gunslinger, but there might be something better.

flatline · Unread post by **flatline** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:23 am

Alrik Vas wrote:looking for suggestions for a human, major psionic character who is an anarchist at heart. already capped out paratrooper and he's not going back into samurai.

I'm toying with gunslinger, but there might be something better.

What kind of campaign?

--flatline

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:13 pm

everything, kinda...very rifts that way.

dealt with demon incursions, war profiteering, spies, fought off slavers. things are about to take a dark turn, though. horror and hell beasts, all that sort.

but a better explanation might be that the game is solvable by investigation and social interaction as much as by fighting.

the character has good social stats and a decent selection of investigative skills.

flatline · Unread post by **flatline** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:09 pm

Non-master psychic human classes that I like for non-combat focused campaigns:

Temporal Wizard (duh!)
Temporal Warrior
Wilderness Scout
Rogue Scientist
Galactic Tracer (Phase World)

and just about anything from Mercenaries.

--flatline

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:34 pm

learning magic doesn't appeal to the player. though this character becoming a temporal wizard would be appropriately silly.

right now seems to be a toss up between continuing combat training and becoming a gunfighter, or going the skill route and training as an operator.

new class abilities seem to be appealing since they're capped out in most skills and weapon proficiencies.

drewkitty ~..~ · Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:23 pm

What I'm thinking is that you need a char class like the Veteran Grunt from N&S, sans the Martial Arts Form.

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:33 pm

what's the advantage of that unless you get the martial arts? already a special ops type. not bagging on it, just curious what your line of thinking was.

drewkitty ~..~ · Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:11 pm

Unless the char is going through a major life change then the char really should not be going through a class change.

Going from one fighter class to another.....*shrugs* that really can be just done with the GM mod'ing the current class if the change is not going to be great.

MAFs....you got 7 or 8 years in game to learn one?*sardonic*

I might of been mis speaking....should of said that what the char sounded like was a vet. grunt sans the MAF.
But is also sounds like the player is bored, and needs to get out of his rut. *shrugs*

suggestion: find some MOS skill packages and have the player look them over to see if that will fill out the char like he wants.
(the new robotech books have a lot of MOSs)

flatline · Unread post by **flatline** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:31 pm

Except in Fantasy where we held on to our characters forever, we generally retired characters and started with new characters rather than change OCCs.

--flatline

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:49 pm

player is way into the character itself, he just wants done new class toys. maybe I'll just make adjustments.

oh, and Drew, if the character has lots of previous experience, I cut the training time down quite a bit. if you know kempo, it wouldn't take you years to learn wing chun, for example.

mastering it is different, but that's reflected in the level bonuses.

Secondhand Smoke · Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:46 pm

Superspy?

Headhunter?

Mystic knight

drewkitty ~..~ · Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:12 pm

Alrik Vas wrote:player is way into the character itself, he just wants done new class toys. maybe I'll just make adjustments.

oh, and Drew, if the character has lots of previous experience, I cut the training time down quite a bit. if you know kempo, it wouldn't take you years to learn wing chun, for example.

mastering it is different, but that's reflected in the level bonuses.

Other Char mods might be superpowers or (GM made) magic marks that come with curses/downsides.

Shortening the training time of a MAF from knowing other MAF works with what is in N&S.
Cutting the years of training time in about half.

But since Rifts chars do not have access to MAFs, only h2hs, perhaps the MAF part of the VG variant of the N&S merc class could be replaced with a h2h from Rjapan or that other asian rifts books. To actually follow that nearly all MAF were lost in the coming off the rifts as the RCB1/r says about them, and to follow the spirit of that class.

Satan Lord of Hell · Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:43 pm

Have him get bitten by a werewolf and that can be his new class.

ShadowLogan · Unread post by **ShadowLogan** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 8:25 am

Alrik Vas wrote:player is way into the character itself, he just wants done new class toys. maybe I'll just make adjustments.
.

Options that come to mind:
Full Conversion Borg. Either voluntary or involuntary.

Experimented upon:
-Transfered Intelligence Robot (SB1/1r and WB5) type. Similar to FCB, but class toys are much easier to give and taken away. It doesn't have to be Triax/NGR, but some other faction on the down low.
-Bio-Wizard (has he pissed off Atlantis?), he'll get new toys abilities and doesn't necessarily have to switch OCCs. Depending on the extent, he doesn't have to become a Bio-Borg.
-Gene Splicer (SB3/PW)/Gen Tech (PW, DB#?) "modification" (alternatively Invid Experimentation from RT if you want the cross over)
-Mind Werks (SB3), maybe
-some other magical experiment (Dark Hounds ex, or Lord of the Deep creations is another to show that such things do happen, and Ley Line mutations)

All can have great RP potential as the character adapts, though you might want to clear it with the player first.

drewkitty ~..~ · Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:21 pm

Satan Lord of Hell wrote:Have him get bitten by a werewolf and that can be his new class.

How?
Most Were-beings are races, not beings cursed with (infectious) lycanthropy. So changing to a were-being RCC is not in the cards.

What would you call this new class that encompasses just those cursed with lycanthropy.

Morik · Unread post by **Morik** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:22 pm

Go with Momano Headhunter or Reaver Assassin Psychic.

Satan Lord of Hell · Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:08 am

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:How?
Most Were-beings are races, not beings cursed with (infectious) lycanthropy. So changing to a were-being RCC is not in the cards.

What would you call this new class that encompasses just those cursed with lycanthropy.

Daaawwwwww... you're right - though the conversion book implies that werewolves are the selfsame creatures of legend, it doesn't say anything about an infectious bite creating the creature.

When I GM, I would keep it as a magical curse/bite.

drewkitty ~..~ · Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:49 am

There are a few types of were beings.
Races (Rifts, PF, & rifter [children of the moon]), Lupin-like Demons (BTS1), & those cursed with lycanthropy (Rifter [this text is associated w/the CotM article]).

A fourth type is the super power lycanthropy.

It might be that any of them might be 'carriers' of the lycanthropic curse, with out being effected by it.....if the GM deems it so.

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:11 am

werewolf, vampire...these things make a character into something new, much like becoming an Apok or Cosmo-knight.

gotta be something out there that is basically a new specialty with some class abilities. the MOS idea doesn't sound bad, I might be able to talk them into that.

Daniel Stoker · Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:12 am

Turn him into a Cold Blooded?

Daniel Stoker

Blue_Lion · Unread post by **Blue_Lion** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:23 am

take the priest of light from conversion book 1 and change it to priest of the all mighty GMist

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:19 am

Daniel Stoker wrote:Turn him into a Cold Blooded?

Daniel Stoker

I got another player barking at me over that one.

Blue_Lion · Unread post by **Blue_Lion** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:21 am

oh better yet create a table of all the classes listed in the gmg and roll for it.

Killer Cyborg · Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:33 am

Godling

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:14 am

Killer Cyborg wrote:Godling

been thinking about that too, but not out loud, don't want to get the guy's hopes up.

Kagashi · Unread post by **Kagashi** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:51 am

So the character is an Xth level Samurai and a 15th level Paratrooper already? And you are looking for a third OCC? Retire. You beat Rifts.

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:16 am

Kagashi wrote:So the character is an Xth level Samurai and a 15th level Paratrooper already? And you are looking for a third OCC? Retire. You beat Rifts.

dude, you can't beat rifts. there's too much. everything cab kill you, and kill you bad. its a never ending challenge.

Satan Lord of Hell · Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:55 am

Kill him and then make him a Highlander...

(... style immortal).

J/K, Tundra Ranger

Killer Cyborg · Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:23 am

Mystic

Blue_Lion · Unread post by **Blue_Lion** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:24 am

I know make him that OCC from 9 1/2 the tourist.

Killer Cyborg · Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:26 am

Blue_Lion wrote:I know make him that OCC from 9 1/2 the tourist.

Good call.

Blue_Lion · Unread post by **Blue_Lion** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:40 am

Killer Cyborg wrote:
Blue_Lion wrote:I know make him that OCC from 9 1/2 the tourist.

Good call.

Wow I got a good call from KC the world must be coming to a end. Because I never get that from any one.

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:00 am

i'm not familiar with this 9 1/2 the Tourist thing.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:37 am

Rifter 9 1/2 was an april fool issue

Blue_Lion · Unread post by **Blue_Lion** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:06 pm

basically they can be uber powerful beings that are on rifts earth getting in the mix of things just for something to do. One of them was a AI.

You have already reached a point higher than some of the gods so at this point picking another class is just trivial.

Killer Cyborg · Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:21 pm

Alrik Vas wrote:i'm not familiar with this 9 1/2 the Tourist thing.

They're a joke OCC, but a usable one IIRC.
They're pretty much indestructible, but they're prone to getting lost, and/or have certain attributes that make them annoying and sometimes ineffective.
I don't remember the details, just that I rolled one up one time that was modeled after Ryoga from Ranma 1/2, and I did play with him a few times.
It doesn't sound like it'd be unbalancing to the campaign/adventures at hand.

Kagashi · Unread post by **Kagashi** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:49 am

Wow, a Ranma reference. Good application for the tourist.

I guess he would have WP Umbrella? Metamorphisis: Pig?

Killer Cyborg · Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:32 am

Kagashi wrote:Wow, a Ranma reference. Good application for the tourist.

I guess he would have WP Umbrella? Metamorphisis: Pig?

I forget the details, but yeah, that was the idea.

drewkitty ~..~ · Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:41 pm

The Tourist class is a bystander/NPC class. They do not participate in combat and solving problems. This is because they are 'On Vacation'.
Then there are things like all damage done to then is always the minimum of a weapon's damage range. (iow...as if every die rolled a 1.) And the travel tickets that teleport the Tourist places and home.

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:18 pm

there's an NPC Chiang-ku dragon in the campaign who always appears as an annoyed young man in a business suit named Stan the Nihilist. he pretty much fits the description.

and levels in rifts don't mean as much unless you're a mage or.something. people with tech combat skills are powered based in gear pretty much. X level this and that is irrelevant, just looking for a few new tricks.

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:17 pm

Alrik Vas wrote:there's an NPC Chiang-ku dragon in the campaign who always appears as an annoyed young man in a business suit named Stan the Nihilist. he pretty much fits the description.

and levels in rifts don't mean as much unless you're a mage or.something. people with tech combat skills are powered based in gear pretty much. X level this and that is irrelevant, just looking for a few new tricks.

Level is still pretty important for tech people. Its just not AS important. But a huge number of important things are level based (besides skill percentages, there is the level of your WP, your H2H level, and the level of any robot piloting/combat skills)
There is also the (rather important) issue of hit points, and bonuses (like to saves and thing)
Its not the same 'every thing I do is controlled by my level' that a meta will be....but its still there

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:02 pm

oh, sure, and over time it really becomes apparent as well. however, I just don't really take levels as an indication of age or even truly experience, merely how good you've gotten at what you do. don't have to be old to be level 10+, don't have to be young to still be in the minors either.

Jorick · Unread post by **Jorick** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:39 am

Alrik Vas wrote:oh, sure, and over time it really becomes apparent as well. however, I just don't really take levels as an indication of age or even truly experience, merely how good you've gotten at what you do. don't have to be old to be level 10+, don't have to be young to still be in the minors either.

I guess it depends on the story and what he's willing to do to his character.

Physical modification/transformation is a big thing in Rifts of course. Aside fro cold-blooded or cyborg mentioned earlier you could go for something like Anti-Monster. But all those changes seem to go way beyond the idea you're just giving him a few more toys.

You could actually give him toys. A rune weapon(s), or something.

You could have him connect to a greater being/god, and get powers/stuff through the relationship.

There's always the Book of Heroes.

The gunslinger idea seems like you're just looking for a few more/different bonuses to give him (though wouldn't he lose the para bonuses if he went gunslinger?). He could be trained as a pro vampire hunter (WB 1 Revised). He could get magic tattoos (you have a chiang ku in the group so maybe he has those already).

UWW Space Marine (with power armor)? Just the training for that will boost his stats nicely, and the PA is sick.

rem1093 · Unread post by **rem1093** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:10 pm

How about getting hit by that gas from Skraypers, and become a Biofreak.

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:01 pm

Jorick wrote:The gunslinger idea seems like you're just looking for a few more/different bonuses to give him (though wouldn't he lose the para bonuses if he went gunslinger?). He could be trained as a pro vampire hunter (WB 1 Revised). He could get magic tattoos (you have a chiang ku in the group so maybe he has those already).

Yeah, something like tattoos would be cool, I guess that's the sort of thing I'm looking for. Add-ons. It could be horizontal growth instead of vertical. Like, something within the character's power level, just different from what they have.

Game is starting Sunday and I still haven't figured this out haha.

abe · Unread post by **abe** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:18 pm

In one of the rifters there are occs that are based upon cooking.

Alrik Vas · Unread post by **Alrik Vas** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:26 am

abe wrote:In one of the rifters there are occs that are based upon cooking.

but if he becomes a cook, I'll have to run a game like Under Siege, and I'm just but prepared for that.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Sat May 02, 2015 10:10 pm

Rise dead thread RISE!!

Mystically bestowed Abilities.

Zamion138 · Unread post by **Zamion138** » Sun May 03, 2015 1:19 am

What about one of thee expanded head hunters from canada? i love the robo slammer myself

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Sun May 03, 2015 2:23 am

Total Black Adam material right here.
Bestowed by Ares or Uller maybe Odin.