Do Shifters need a Rift to summon creatures?

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Do Shifters need a Rift to summon creatures?

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I was reading the rules on Shifters and summoning and they seemed to imply that a Shifter summoned his minions from a Rift. So my question is: Is this a power he can only use when he has access to a Rift? Does that mean he'd pretty much need to be on a ley line or nexus to use it?

Or does he create a rift when using the power, where ever he is?
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no they do not need a rifts to summon.
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The ability (RUE, p123) stipulates that a communication rift is employed to locate and transport summoned demonic minions. Communication rifts can be opened away from a ley line for 200 P.P.E., which is a lot. It's not out of reach for a group including a couple spell casters or supernatural beings though.
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Assuming they co-operate and give PPE, which is pretty much needed now ever since RUE nerfed the PPE-theft tactic.
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I very seldom have groups of players that don't actively support each other. You are correct though, the party will need to cooperate to make this happen. And that could be a legitimate problem if the shifter is running around with a bunch of principled characters who can't condone any form of slavery, even when it comes to demons.
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:no they do not need a rifts to summon.

Edit. Normal Summoning magic do not need a rift.
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They only need a Rift to use their summon demonic minions power and pact to supernatural power. They can use mundane summoning magic, say Summon Lesser Being, without any requirement just like anyone else.
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Doing some reading and it looks like a circle is necessary but a rift may not need to used. Summoning is a ritual that requires a lot of PPE but haven't seen a lot about needing a Rift for it.
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Re: Do Shifters need a Rift to summon creatures?

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Godslayer wrote:I was reading the rules on Shifters and summoning and they seemed to imply that a Shifter summoned his minions from a Rift. So my question is: Is this a power he can only use when he has access to a Rift? Does that mean he'd pretty much need to be on a ley line or nexus to use it?

Or does he create a rift when using the power, where ever he is?


According to RUE, p. 123:

This summoning is accomplished through the use of the Communication Rift in which the Shifter probes dimensions until he makes contact with a lesser supernatural being.


So, yes, the Shifter's Summoning power requires a rift, but the Shifter can create that rift more or less anywhere, assuming he has sufficient P.P.E. The Communication Rift power only costs 50 P.P.E. when used within a half-mile of a nexus, or 100 P.P.E. within the same distance of a ley line, but it costs 200 P.P.E. everywhere else.
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