E-Clips in Wilks-Remi pistols.

[Shamrock 'Slinger]

In the book it says the rifles have the E-Clips in the stocks, which I can see. I just don't see how they do it with their pistols. If one reads earlier with the Bandito IP-10 pistol on page 173 it says that the E-clip fits into the handle. Unless pistol E-clips are the size of a 9V battery I can't see it.

This mostly for nitpicking. I think it does boil down to inconsistency with E-Clip fluff and lack of an actual description in any book, besides Lone Star. If they are 9V size, I can see how some fit into the handles, but not others. Long E-clips are another thing then. Are they actually longer or just hold more power?

Other pistols, I treat them like you would with a semi-auto pistol and a magazine. Click, the E-clip comes out. The Wilks-Remi are harder to imagine since the handles are curved and not straight. Straight means the E-clips go in no problem, curved means they go in a bit and may stick out. If one can treat the Wilks-Remi as more like their SDC counterparts then maybe they have a different mechanism. The Kingdom Come could be top-break like the Smith & Wesson Schofield/Model 3 and insert it there. Still means battery size though.

Any thoughts or ideas? One of my players asked how it would look like for the flavor. This is the best I have come up with.

[say652]

I thought for the pistols the cylinder, like the colt navy 1858 would serve as the E-Clip

[Shamrock 'Slinger]

I was thinking the same, but it's never really explicit about that. It might be different, but the cylinder takes much more than 10 seconds to remove from a Colt Navy. The only one in real life that was ever that fast and easy to take the cylinder out was the Remington 1858, a la Pale Rider.

[Ambrosius]

I always imagined they were a small, nub looking thing that you stuck into the butt of the grip.

Or, you could put the little batteries or whatever in a swing out cylinder to make it more cowboy style.

There's a few books that have some details on what e-clips might look like, but for game mechanics we just simply treat them all the same. I wish there was a bit of consistency though, I mean look at the NGR guns with the magazines in the front. Is that just decoration or does Europe use a different e-clip?

[say652]

True you don't have the pin and the lever is smoother.

[ShadowLogan]

This mostly for nitpicking. I think it does boil down to inconsistency with E-Clip fluff and lack of an actual description in any book, besides Lone Star. If they are 9V size, I can see how some fit into the handles, but not others. Long E-clips are another thing then. Are they actually longer or just hold more power?

It isn't clear physical size wise how Long and Regular/Short Eclips compare. The two Eclip varieties could use different materials to hold different amounts of energy.

Any thoughts or ideas? One of my players asked how it would look like for the flavor. This is the best I have come up with.

Several actually:
-stock Eclips don't fit completely into the hand-grip (I'd go with this personally)
-specialized Eclips, possibly model dependent*
-the Eclip is built-in like on the Remi-104 Derringer (pg307) and you have to recharge the entire weapon, possibly coming in standard & long varieties (or the Long is the result of an add-on feature)
-the cylinder is used to store an Eclip, externally the cylinder looks stock but when you open the cylinder up it shows one cavity to fit an eclip
-was also considering a bank of Energy Cells (from the Finger Laser Bionic/Cybernetic Weapons) that add up in terms of numbers being equal to a Standard/Long Eclip that can be replaced. Basically a spin on the cartridge system, but giving more than one shot per cell. This though doesn't agree with the text

*for the most part Eclips are supposed to be interchangeable, but we know there are some examples where this IS NOT so (Triax's FSE-clip, Magic/Psionic powered cells, Arkhons, etc), and not all weapons can take Standard and/or Long Eclips either, then you Energy Canisters and built-in Energy Cells

I was thinking the same, but it's never really explicit about that. It might be different, but the cylinder takes much more than 10 seconds to remove from a Colt Navy. The only one in real life that was ever that fast and easy to take the cylinder out was the Remington 1858, a la Pale Rider.

You don't necessarily have to remove the cylinder, but you could have the cylinder as having one big cavity instead of several that the energy source would slide into.

I mean look at the NGR guns with the magazines in the front. Is that just decoration or does Europe use a different e-clip?

The Forward Sliding Eclip used by NGR/Triax AND it is not compatible with stock eclips. Those aren't the only unique Eclips either.

[glitterboy2098]

i'd say just have the cylinder pop out and reveal a cavity for the E-clip. easy, and you get to keep the visual look opening up the gun to reload.

or perhaps the hammer is actually a latch used to lower a hatch in the back, so the clip slides into the frame

[Shamrock 'Slinger]

This mostly for nitpicking. I think it does boil down to inconsistency with E-Clip fluff and lack of an actual description in any book, besides Lone Star. If they are 9V size, I can see how some fit into the handles, but not others. Long E-clips are another thing then. Are they actually longer or just hold more power?

It isn't clear physical size wise how Long and Regular/Short Eclips compare. The two Eclip varieties could use different materials to hold different amounts of energy.

Yes, most likely. Though I think there are some artworks with long Eclips in pistols that show that it is indeed longer. But it's artist licensure at that point. I think it's more like that they are just more potent materials being used inside.

Any thoughts or ideas? One of my players asked how it would look like for the flavor. This is the best I have come up with.

Several actually:
-stock Eclips don't fit completely into the hand-grip (I'd go with this personally)
-specialized Eclips, possibly model dependent*
-the Eclip is built-in like on the Remi-104 Derringer (pg307) and you have to recharge the entire weapon, possibly coming in standard & long varieties (or the Long is the result of an add-on feature)
-the cylinder is used to store an Eclip, externally the cylinder looks stock but when you open the cylinder up it shows one cavity to fit an eclip
-was also considering a bank of Energy Cells (from the Finger Laser Bionic/Cybernetic Weapons) that add up in terms of numbers being equal to a Standard/Long Eclip that can be replaced. Basically a spin on the cartridge system, but giving more than one shot per cell. This though doesn't agree with the text

*for the most part Eclips are supposed to be interchangeable, but we know there are some examples where this IS NOT so (Triax's FSE-clip, Magic/Psionic powered cells, Arkhons, etc), and not all weapons can take Standard and/or Long Eclips either, then you Energy Canisters and built-in Energy Cells

Yeah, I really don't think they fit in the handle after all this. It just doesn't seem right after comparing to others. If I was to really nitpick for not just flavor but mechanics, yeah, they'd have to get a Wilks-Remi E clip to fit and would have to ditch the standardization.

I was thinking the same, but it's never really explicit about that. It might be different, but the cylinder takes much more than 10 seconds to remove from a Colt Navy. The only one in real life that was ever that fast and easy to take the cylinder out was the Remington 1858, a la Pale Rider.

You don't necessarily have to remove the cylinder, but you could have the cylinder as having one big cavity instead of several that the energy source would slide into.

True, I was mostly making a statement of the ease of swapping out a cylinder for a 1858 Remington vs a Colt Navy. Colts needed tools to remove them, the Remington didn't.

[Shamrock 'Slinger]

i'd say just have the cylinder pop out and reveal a cavity for the E-clip. easy, and you get to keep the visual look opening up the gun to reload.

or perhaps the hammer is actually a latch used to lower a hatch in the back, so the clip slides into the frame

I've always had the flavor describe the hammer as a useful and functioning part of the gun. Quarter rooster releases the latch to pull the cylinder out for the e clip. The Kingdom Come I like to say that half rooster is single blast, full rooster is double blast. Makes it cool when the user pulls the hammer all the way back, shows he/she means business.

[Blue_Lion]

Do they ever say the size of a standard e-clip.