Blue_Lion wrote:In general MDC seams lighter than currant stuff.
I think that's because most MDC is a result of molecular structure or energy. With a few of them being some form of reaction to X material or energy and very few being the result of density actually achieving MDC levels. That said I think kisentite from aliens unlimited is a MDC material due to density and its supposed to be super heavy. Like a suit of plate mail weighing as much as the person inside it kind of heavy, Not sure how that counts compared to what it should have in defense but its far far heavier than comparable MDC materials.
As printed in AU yes, as printed in Rifts(CS navy) Kisentite is TW. (In general means it is not and absolute statement but recognizing a trend.)
TW?
and ya I know what in general means I was expanding on the reasons why because I have issues with keeping my mouth shut. *sigh* my fault
Yes it is on of the items that when printed in rifts got hit by the its not pure tech so it is TW stamps. I would rule it was not TW but officially they labeled it as such.
It was a trend that always bothered me in PB classifying of things. The armor talisman of the blind warrior women does not act like a TW device but is called TW, is another example of them doing this.
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Blue_Lion wrote:Yes it is on of the items that when printed in rifts got hit by the its not pure tech so it is TW stamps. I would rule it was not TW but officially they labeled it as such.
It was a trend that always bothered me in PB classifying of things. The armor talisman of the blind warrior women does not act like a TW device but is called TW, is another example of them doing this.
Ya that sounds...weird, because the one i'm aware of from AU is simply a super dense metal that required special high tech forges to work. Magic never came up.
Edit: and HA maybe that's the splugoroth secret to the amulets, they ARE TW, build a TW device with the spells talisman, armor of Ithan and a TW battery hidden inside that charges it. No one can figure them out because "Talismans don't do that!" and its only partly a talisman
Blue_Lion wrote:Yes it is on of the items that when printed in rifts got hit by the its not pure tech so it is TW stamps. I would rule it was not TW but officially they labeled it as such.
It was a trend that always bothered me in PB classifying of things. The armor talisman of the blind warrior women does not act like a TW device but is called TW, is another example of them doing this.
Ya that sounds...weird, because the one i'm aware of from AU is simply a super dense metal that required special high tech forges to work. Magic never came up.
Edit: and HA maybe that's the splugoroth secret to the amulets, they ARE TW, build a TW device with the spells talisman, armor of Ithan and a TW battery hidden inside that charges it. No one can figure them out because "Talismans don't do that!" and its only partly a talisman
Read page 321 rifts book of magic. They describe the weapons as linked to AU but classify them as a TW melee weapon.
The Clones are coming you shall all be replaced, but who is to say you have not been replaced already.
Master of Type-O and the obvios.
Soon my army oc clones and winged-monkies will rule the world but first, must .......
I may debate canon and RAW, but the games I run are highly house ruled. So I am not debating for how I play but about how the system works as written.
Blue_Lion wrote:Yes it is on of the items that when printed in rifts got hit by the its not pure tech so it is TW stamps. I would rule it was not TW but officially they labeled it as such.
It was a trend that always bothered me in PB classifying of things. The armor talisman of the blind warrior women does not act like a TW device but is called TW, is another example of them doing this.
Ya that sounds...weird, because the one i'm aware of from AU is simply a super dense metal that required special high tech forges to work. Magic never came up.
Edit: and HA maybe that's the splugoroth secret to the amulets, they ARE TW, build a TW device with the spells talisman, armor of Ithan and a TW battery hidden inside that charges it. No one can figure them out because "Talismans don't do that!" and its only partly a talisman
Read page 321 rifts book of magic. They describe the weapons as linked to AU but classify them as a TW melee weapon.
I think this is specifically in relation to the nuhr pirates who crafted them using the kisentite metals as the base. So they are TW Kisentite weapons, but Kisentite is NOT a natural TW weapon just by forging. Because according to my understanding of them the original Kisentite does not do MD and is merely almost indestructible. The Nuhr added TW to make them MD weapons and make use of the indestructability of Kisentite as a base material, and even then in the description they are described as TW like magic not actually true TW.
Blue_Lion wrote:Yes it is on of the items that when printed in rifts got hit by the its not pure tech so it is TW stamps. I would rule it was not TW but officially they labeled it as such.
It was a trend that always bothered me in PB classifying of things. The armor talisman of the blind warrior women does not act like a TW device but is called TW, is another example of them doing this.
Ya that sounds...weird, because the one i'm aware of from AU is simply a super dense metal that required special high tech forges to work. Magic never came up.
Edit: and HA maybe that's the splugoroth secret to the amulets, they ARE TW, build a TW device with the spells talisman, armor of Ithan and a TW battery hidden inside that charges it. No one can figure them out because "Talismans don't do that!" and its only partly a talisman
Read page 321 rifts book of magic. They describe the weapons as linked to AU but classify them as a TW melee weapon.
I think this is specifically in relation to the nuhr pirates who crafted them using the kisentite metals as the base. So they are TW Kisentite weapons, but Kisentite is NOT a natural TW weapon just by forging. Because according to my understanding of them the original Kisentite does not do MD and is merely almost indestructible. The Nuhr added TW to make them MD weapons and make use of the indestructability of Kisentite as a base material, and even then in the description they are described as TW like magic not actually true TW.
its more like magical engraving
Your understanding may be wrong, AU revised states that they do MD in rifts as I recall(the conversation info was missing from the unrevised book).
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The Clones are coming you shall all be replaced, but who is to say you have not been replaced already.
Master of Type-O and the obvios.
Soon my army oc clones and winged-monkies will rule the world but first, must .......
I may debate canon and RAW, but the games I run are highly house ruled. So I am not debating for how I play but about how the system works as written.
Blue_Lion wrote:In general MDC seams lighter than currant stuff.
I think that's because most MDC is a result of molecular structure or energy. With a few of them being some form of reaction to X material or energy and very few being the result of density actually achieving MDC levels. That said I think kisentite from aliens unlimited is a MDC material due to density and its supposed to be super heavy. Like a suit of plate mail weighing as much as the person inside it kind of heavy, Not sure how that counts compared to what it should have in defense but its far far heavier than comparable MDC materials.
As printed in AU yes, as printed in Rifts(CS navy) Kisentite is TW. (In general means it is not and absolute statement but recognizing a trend.)
TW?
and ya I know what in general means I was expanding on the reasons why because I have issues with keeping my mouth shut. *sigh* my fault
Yes it is on of the items that when printed in rifts got hit by the its not pure tech so it is TW stamps. I would rule it was not TW but officially they labeled it as such.
It was a trend that always bothered me in PB classifying of things. The armor talisman of the blind warrior women does not act like a TW device but is called TW, is another example of them doing this.
I consider that kind of thing to be mis-labeling.
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Blue_Lion wrote:Your understanding may be wrong, AU revised states that they do MD in rifts as I recall(the conversation info was missing from the unrevised book).
maybe but I thought that it was a case of MD in MD hands because they can take the punishment. (as in the reason you can't do MD with a normal sword is it'd break, but these sword though not going to do MD on their own can be used like a normal sword for a MD strength)
but I can say that using the BoM example is inaccurate because those are specifically changed to TW devices by a magic race of dwarves
and gods I feel weird saying that line "a magic race of dwarves" just something weird there
