Are Vampires dead enough to Coexist with their Doppelgangers

[Incriptus]

Nothing throws Vampire Hunters off the trail like having your doppelganger pretend to be you during the day.

[Rallan]

I'd imagine that if your doppelganger hasn't already been woken up then he'll stop existing when you get turned, because only awakened doppelgangers go on living after their human dies.

[Nightmartree]

I'd imagine that if your doppelganger hasn't already been woken up then he'll stop existing when you get turned, because only awakened doppelgangers go on living after their human dies.

so if an awakened doppleganger feeds his self to a vampire you could end up with 2 of the "same" person. One a vamp and one a doppleganger possibly both evil and working together or against each other? depending on if the vamp was forced fed to the vamps or agreed to achieve "immortality" or some other trick.

[Axelmania]

I'd imagine that if your doppelganger hasn't already been woken up then he'll stop existing when you get turned, because only awakened doppelgangers go on living after their human dies.

Is that something from one of the newer supplements? Pg 158 of main book says:

Sometimes, the death of their Earth double will create a form of psychic backlash that will snap the Doppleganger out of his daze.

But not sure where to find anything about them dying if not awoke.

[drewkitty ~..~]

topic title q: Vampires are no longer the people they were. So Yes. Wyampires......that is a different q.

Would the Dopp do the OP.....doubt it.

[Axelmania]

This does pose an interesting idea of Doppleganger/Wampyr alliances where Dopplegangers assist Masters in locating and turning their originals so that they can stay on Earth.

Slow kill takes 3 days and dopplegangers can only coexist for 2 so that would be a problem, so they would probably kidnap their original back to the nightlands where they would be turned.

Another interesting vampire Q would be : what about that TTGD concept of "Nemesis R.C.C. - a dangerous reflection from the Nightlands." would a human being vamped kill his Nightlands Nemesis?

[Shark_Force]

This does pose an interesting idea of Doppleganger/Wampyr alliances where Dopplegangers assist Masters in locating and turning their originals so that they can stay on Earth.

Slow kill takes 3 days and dopplegangers can only coexist for 2 so that would be a problem, so they would probably kidnap their original back to the nightlands where they would be turned.

Another interesting vampire Q would be : what about that TTGD concept of "Nemesis R.C.C. - a dangerous reflection from the Nightlands." would a human being vamped kill his Nightlands Nemesis?

i would expect them to similarly undergo some form of metamorphosis. it isn't just dying that is mirrored, it is everything about them, after all.

[eliakon]

This does pose an interesting idea of Doppleganger/Wampyr alliances where Dopplegangers assist Masters in locating and turning their originals so that they can stay on Earth.

Slow kill takes 3 days and dopplegangers can only coexist for 2 so that would be a problem, so they would probably kidnap their original back to the nightlands where they would be turned.

Another interesting vampire Q would be : what about that TTGD concept of "Nemesis R.C.C. - a dangerous reflection from the Nightlands." would a human being vamped kill his Nightlands Nemesis?

i would expect them to similarly undergo some form of metamorphosis. it isn't just dying that is mirrored, it is everything about them, after all.

The entire "Nemesis" thing is pretty absurd to start with (there is an exact, but opposite duplicate in the Nightlands. And it will always do everything you do and there is nothing that can be done about it at all. Oh and if you or anyone else kills it the person dies. It makes Call of Cthulhu look optimistic)
But assuming the GM is running a game that is both bleakly dark enough and silly enough to have the Nemesis in it?
Just assume that it will turn into some sort of undead too, or otherwise die and be reborn as...something.
Probably something that is either 1) even more evil than the now evil vampire or 2) will now be the evil vampire's nemesis so will be some sort of "good" undead critter or some such.

[dreicunan]

This does pose an interesting idea of Doppleganger/Wampyr alliances where Dopplegangers assist Masters in locating and turning their originals so that they can stay on Earth.

Slow kill takes 3 days and dopplegangers can only coexist for 2 so that would be a problem, so they would probably kidnap their original back to the nightlands where they would be turned.

Another interesting vampire Q would be : what about that TTGD concept of "Nemesis R.C.C. - a dangerous reflection from the Nightlands." would a human being vamped kill his Nightlands Nemesis?

i would expect them to similarly undergo some form of metamorphosis. it isn't just dying that is mirrored, it is everything about them, after all.

The entire "Nemesis" thing is pretty absurd to start with (there is an exact, but opposite duplicate in the Nightlands. And it will always do everything you do and there is nothing that can be done about it at all. Oh and if you or anyone else kills it the person dies. It makes Call of Cthulhu look optimistic)
But assuming the GM is running a game that is both bleakly dark enough and silly enough to have the Nemesis in it?
Just assume that it will turn into some sort of undead too, or otherwise die and be reborn as...something.
Probably something that is either 1) even more evil than the now evil vampire or 2) will now be the evil vampire's nemesis so will be some sort of "good" undead critter or some such.

I'd suggest going with option #2 and turning the Nemesis into a Cold-Blooded.

[BookWyrm]

I always felt that, if the person does become a full-on Vampire (Lord, Master or Secondary), their Doppleganger runs the same chance of either dying (going through the motions of 'conversion', but dying permanently) or going independent. If the Doppleganger dies, there's a chance they become any one of the Flawed (Wild, Shade or Ghoul) from Rifter #49. The trauma of dying 'twice' causes this. The Doppleganger cringes, screams in agony, then dissolves.

If the Doppleganger somehow survives, it's weakened greatly (-75% to *everything*) and simply collapses right where it is. Roving Hounds in the Nightlands can spot one of these 'lumps' easily & like to play/torture them until they discorporate. Random chance of the person becoming one of the Near Vampires: Whampyr, Damned, Scourge or Blood Wraith.

[Axelmania]

Reminder that not every Doppleganger is a Nemesis. I'm not even sure it specifies that when a Doppleganger is your Nemesis it has to be YOUR doppleganger. Is Rifter 49 canon? A doppleganger's original dying might awaken them, I would say becoming a vampire qualifies.

No reaosn I can see that becoming an undead would cause that to happen to your doppleganger. If you get your arm cut off your doppleganger doesn't automatically lose an arm.

[BookWyrm]

True, Axel, but I factored in the mystical part of the conversion as well. The Doppleganger has just as much of a chance of being 'cut loose' from their counterpart as any other death; I figured the human's transformation from mortal to vampire carries a little something extra for the Doppleganger.

[Axelmania]

What would happen to a mortal's doppleganger if he became a Cosmo-Knight? A Death Demon?

[BookWyrm]

I would say, same chance; goes through the same mortal's life-motions as usual (does NOT become a Cosmo-Doppleganger), goes independent or simply dies/discorporates.