Hitting A Guy With Another Guy

[PalladiumBrony]

You know that meme "Did you ever get so mad you beat a MF with another MF"? I wonder how this could be made to work in Palladium Fantasy (or really, any of the Megaverse game systems, since it's a pretty universal thing. How many actions would it take? Would you have to be grappled first? How much damage to everyone concerned, any penalties to strike/dodge/parry? I'd imagine you'd need to be pretty strong to just pick a guy up and start using him as an improvised bludgeon. Also whether or not they're still alive/conscious might play a role.

Also consider: Shoving or throwing an NPC at another, rather than swinging them around while holding onto them.

[kiralon]

I had a party that played burny huggy ball, A wolfen would toss the invisible fire warlock gnome at something and the gnome would use burst into flame and give it invisible burny hugs.

[GoliathReturns]

Off the cuff..

Wrestle/grapple, 3 consecutive rolls.

Must have strength to carry that much (to be able to swing).

I'd give massive penalties to any strike (after all, I'm sure the improvised weapon is flailing a bit). Ballpark, I'd say -8 to any strikes. This is more of a swinging wild type thing.

Damage- I'd say 1d6 per 25 pounds of weight, plus any strength bonus of the swinger. Bump it to 1d8 per 25 if the swingee is wearing heavy armor.


This, of course, is all assuming that the freshly improvised weapon is resisting- if he's cooperating, ignore the wrestle/grapple, and I'd reduce the penalty to strike to -4.

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GS

[Library Ogre]

Ninjas and Superspies also allows you to Body Flip someone into another person; you make an attack roll as you're flipping, and can knock down both of them.

[ShadowLogan]

I do not think there is an easy answer as it can take a few forms:
1. rip a limb off and use it as a club (its a club/flail now, maybe a bit awkward to use but)
2. scoop them up and fling them around like the Hulk does to the "punny god" Loki in the (1st) Avengers movie, okay not hit G w/another G but nothing stops the Hulk from using Loki this way (Hulk definitely needs the PS to lift Loki, and I would think it needs to be more than the bare minimum probably at least x2 the PS to lift though I'd go closer to x5 PS lift at minimum), Loki just turns into a chain weapon
3. swing the guy around me using physics (Kevin Sorbo's Hercules in the 90s does this occasionally IIRC), PS requirement likely is not as high as Hulk/Loki, probably x1 is actually good enough if you can get the momentum going. I'd look at Martial Arts Spin Kick as a basis for this (quick, easy, and dirty)
4. throw someone at someone else could fall under this, probably covered by existing rules for tossing heavy objects.

[Grazzik]

"I'm just a dude playing a dude, tossing around another dude." - K. Lazarus, rpg player

[Plane]

here's some relevant tropes!

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... ppableAlly
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... mWithABody

How many actions would it take? Would you have to be grappled first?

You'd need a decent set of grappling rules to begin with and even 'Technical Grappling' in other systems falls short of this complexity.

I remember trying to come up with GHWABing rules years ago and why you'd bother grabbling someone by the ankle to whip someone w/ their body, etc. It's complex.

[GoliathReturns]

here's some relevant tropes!

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... ppableAlly
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... mWithABody

How many actions would it take? Would you have to be grappled first?

You'd need a decent set of grappling rules to begin with and even 'Technical Grappling' in other systems falls short of this complexity.

I remember trying to come up with GHWABing rules years ago and why you'd bother grabbling someone by the ankle to whip someone w/ their body, etc. It's complex.

Doesn't necessarily need to be by the ankles though. In all fairness, could grab someone by the wrists, and swing them around that way.

Or, could grab them up, and literally throw them. Probably not far, depending on strength, but still theoretical possible.

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GS

[Plane]

yeah I agree, the wrist is even thinner than the ankle so the ideal handhold to grip if there's no clothing or hair

[GoliathReturns]

yeah I agree, the wrist is even thinner than the ankle so the ideal handhold to grip if there's no clothing or hair

Can also grab by the collar and belt, or any number of other ways.

Lots and lots of options to use people as weapons. (Or shields...)

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GS

[Plane]

yeah I just wish we had a rules collection for all of them so we could make informed choices about the mechanics of why an option was picked instead of it needing to be cinematic