CA-6C --- Kind of Light to be Considered Heavy...

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:08 pm

I think there is another option you might have overlooked. Scale-Down. A lot of people had complained that the a Borg's MDC with heavy armor was comparable to that of a Glitter Boy's! It could be that Palladium wished to try to bring the Borg's MDC down to a more reasonable level, making it more along the lines of other power armors. A heavy CS cyborg Strike Trooper in CA-6C armor would have a total of 470 MDC on his main body. Not bad, really. But given that the Bionic Source Book included all the old high-end armor from the RMB, and the latest Borg ilustrations in the SoT series look nothing like the CA-6C EBA, I'd say they've given up on that little experiment.

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:05 pm

I always figured the CA-6 is default or standard issure armor, while the others are available if needed. It kinda fits in with that whole standardization (no GB's) issue the CS has. Also, look at the last "flavor" paragraph on page 69 of CWC. If the CA-6 was any larger, they might not blend in.

GhostKnight · Unread post by **GhostKnight** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:15 pm

Maybe it's a lot cheaper to make. Especially when it doubles as an exoskeleton. It would also make the borgs look "regular" instead of standing out. That's a basic of army doctorine.

LunarYoma · Unread post by **LunarYoma** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:29 am

I clearly remember that in the book it said that they use that armor so as to 'blend' in better with the rest of the masses of the CS troops.

GaredBattlespike · Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:09 pm

I agree with LunarYoma and Massik. It prevents the CS Borgs from being singled out by the enemy, as that would be like modern tanks are today. :thwak:

If you can spot the tank, you can kill it easily with the proper weapons and massed firepower :eek:

. Borgs are no different in principle. The other reason may be to strike a balance between agility and raw armor. :ok:

The uniformity of troops is important to the CS Army as it is to any military-only more so. The CS saw the inclusion of Glitter Boys in the army as disruptive to the "unified whole" of it's armed forces and that is one of the reasons that they were suspicious of Free Quebec.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:18 pm

Massik wrote:The armor was designed to blend in with a group of other CS armor but the problem is they should have called it Cyborg Infantry armor or light combat armor but not Heavy Cyborg infantry armor.

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Why call it Cyborg armor? remember that this is only the exoskeletonless form of the armor issued to platoon leaders and some heavy weapons carrying troopers ... since the two versions have the same shell and are identical looking, they are classed as the same, the C stands for cyborg.

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:21 pm

Mack wrote:Also, look at the last "flavor" paragraph on page 69 of CWC. If the CA-6 was any larger, they might not blend in.

LunarYoma wrote:I clearly remember that in the book it said that they use that armor so as to 'blend' in better with the rest of the masses of the CS troops.

Massik wrote:The armor was designed to blend in with a group of other CS armor...

Blend in? Take a gander at the full page illustration near the last page of SoT 4, (may have been SoT 5), where they depict a small gathereing of Gemeral Holmes' forces. Tell me the CS borgs in there "blend in".

Tinker Dragoon · Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:36 pm

Dead Boy wrote:
Mack wrote:Also, look at the last "flavor" paragraph on page 69 of CWC. If the CA-6 was any larger, they might not blend in.

LunarYoma wrote:I clearly remember that in the book it said that they use that armor so as to 'blend' in better with the rest of the masses of the CS troops.

Massik wrote:The armor was designed to blend in with a group of other CS armor...

Blend in? Take a gander at the full page illustration near the last page of SoT 4, (may have been SoT 5), where they depict a small gathereing of Gemeral Holmes' forces. Tell me the CS borgs in there "blend in".

It's SoT5.

Oddly enough, none of them are wearing CA-6 armor either. They appear to just have standard cyborg armor with CS styling.

If the CS makes all their full conversion 'borgs that massive, none of them would even fit in conventional armor anyway. Perhaps the CA-6C armor is supposed to be for partial conversions...

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:50 pm

Dead Boy wrote:Blend in? Take a gander at the full page illustration near the last page of SoT 4, (may have been SoT 5), where they depict a small gathereing of Gemeral Holmes' forces. Tell me the CS borgs in there "blend in".

Hey, I just blindly quote what's in the book. You don't actually expect me to think, do you? :-D

Although I will say that on the field of battle it would be harder to notice the difference.

RockJock · Unread post by **RockJock** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:08 pm

It says under the CS Borg description that in "Dead Boy" armor they stand 7-8 feet tall, which is taller then a normal Dead Boy, but not huge. Throw in heavy gunners and squad leaders in the Exoskeleton version of the armor which is 6'6"-7'6", and a Borg can blend into a squad or platoon. And the statement about weight also has merit. Think about it. As Borgs become intergrated in to standard CS squads and platoons hauling them around in standard vehicles becomes an issue. The lighter you can make a Borg the better for the CS.

RockJock · Unread post by **RockJock** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:33 pm

I was thinking more like the dirty D-Bee picking a target for his TW Flying Titan's missile barrage. He could waste his all his missiles on a single guy in EBA thinking he is the most powerful threat, cripple the Borg who is the most powerful member of the squad, or divide his missles between several grunts in EBA. The other side is the Dirty D-Bee with Impervious to Energy activated doesn't know which of the 10 guys in Dead Boy armor is going to return fire with a forearm mounted mini missile launcher, or a hand held rail gun instead of pesky laser rifles.

That is just an example of the advantage the CS gains by keeping their heavy hitters hidden in plain sight.

RockJock · Unread post by **RockJock** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:14 am

I'm not putting a Borg against 10 soldiers. I am saying the PA pilot is gambling. A single mini missle won't kill any CS Grunt in EBA. If he fires a volley he can kill one. A larger volley could kill the Borg, or at least injure him severely. My point is the PA pilot won't know which of the 10 men in the squad is the most dangerous. He can't tell the difference from the Borg or the 1st lvl Grunt on the fly. If the Borg looks like a giant slam of metal he would be the primary target.]

In the example I gave even if the other 9 soldiers in the squad let lose they wouldn't scratch the Flying Titan since it has Impervious to Energy while the Borg is using heavier weapons such as a Rail Gun or Bionic missile launcher, but that wasn't the point.