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Re: CS Supernatural Detection Ability.

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Sir Darom wrote:I've stated this before, but I don't recall receiving a straight answer about it, so here we go again.

Either:

1. The CS has infallible ways to detect supernatural evil, and therefore they are racist for not relying totally on it, when deciding what to kill.

or

2. The CS does not have infallible ways to detect supernatural evil, and therefore they are racist for assuming that it's always the non-humans that are behind supernatural evil. If anything, it would be all the more reason for the supernatural evil to disguise themselves as humans, and prod the CS on to even greater and more henious acts of mayhem and bloodshed.

Discuss.


3. The CS can, if it trusts its psi-stalkers and dog-boys, detect supernatural evil easily.
But that still leaves plenty of enemies out there that can't be outed this way.
There are plenty of non-supernatural D-Bees that are evil. Lots of things look supernatural but aren't.
There are plenty of supernatural creatures that aren't evil, but that still pose a threat to the CS and to humans. Anarchist and Unprincipled creatures, for example. Or even good creatures who have different agendas.
Also, there may not always be psi-stalkers around when the decision needs to be made about who to kill.
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I believe that it's a combination of both 1 and 2. The CS does not have "infallable" ways of detecting anything, simply because there is nothing, ever, that is infallable. As for supernatural evil, I believe that the CS is much more concerned with just supernatural, than evil. If a being is supernatural and still of a good alignment, do you really think the CS is going to care? No. The CS troops are still going to just kill it. Because that's what they are trained to do. Kill all supernatural and D-bees. Anything not human is a target for extermination to the CS. As a matter of fact even humans that admit to being D-bees, that is rifted from some other place, even BTS, Hero's, or any other setting, is targeted for death by the CS. I don't remember which book I read that in, but it's there.
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Re: CS Supernatural Detection Ability.

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Sir Darom wrote:I've stated this before, but I don't recall receiving a straight answer about it, so here we go again.

Either:

1. The CS has infallible ways to detect supernatural evil, and therefore they are racist for not relying totally on it, when deciding what to kill.

or

2. The CS does not have infallible ways to detect supernatural evil, and therefore they are racist for assuming that it's always the non-humans that are behind supernatural evil. If anything, it would be all the more reason for the supernatural evil to disguise themselves as humans, and prod the CS on to even greater and more henious acts of mayhem and bloodshed.

Discuss.


It is clealry Two, all though they as of late seem to almost have one as well. personally I think the meperor doesn't like comptition for Evil in north Americia
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no infallible way. the psi stalkers and dog boys are good, as well as the odd human psionic, but nothign infallible.

alter aura, mask ISP& psionics, mask PPE.

use all three of the above at once and you can pass undetected.
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I think the CS has fairly solid methods of detecting the supernatural, but then again, they seem to shoot/kill every non-human that isn't living in the burbs.

The psi-abilities to hide psionics/PPE or alter aura won't be to effective against Dog Boys or other CS mutant animals with a good sense of smell.
I'm sure they various mutant animals are smart enough to know a human isn't going to smell like some hell spawned thing that has the smell of death, decay and other things on it.

The major problem is that they hunt down all d-bees or anything that doesn't look human, and sometimes shoot first and don't bother checking for supernatural later. Any "smart" demon isn't going to disguise itself as something the CS is going to shoot on the spot, it's going to hide as a human, or perhaps as some harmless looking native Earth creature. This likely creates a feeling of over confidence in some CS personal, causing them to possibly miss the more dangerous or sneaky supernatural beings.

One possible alternative for supernatural beings to hide themselves might be to find some way to "vent" most of their PPE and try to keep it to low to be easily detected.

So, IMHO, the CS is good at finding the "lesser" supernatural stuff, and does fairly well with dealing with non-human beings, but they could probably have major/sneaky supernatural beings living in the burbs and they might never find them until it's to late, if at all.
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The enemies of the CS (as they see it) are not creatures of "supernatural evil" they are non-human invaders. Demon or Angel it's all the same to them. Merely being a non-human invader by definition makes you evil.
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Sir Darom wrote:Correct, Doom. So, instead of either learning to share their resources and cooperate, or at least just deporting them all to Lazlo (that way, Lazlo can be blamed if anything bad happens to the dbees after taking them there), they opt for murder.

I'm supposing that the CS one day decided that the best way to fight the "evil" is to try to outdo them in evil.


Evil is pretty subjective, though. Throughout human history different groups have done things which, in retrospect, everyone agrees is pretty evil, yet at the time the people involved obviously didn't think so. You can point to just about any war as an example.

That's all this is to the CS- a war. They are fighting for the very survival of their species. Killing the enemy in war is not considered "evil" by most in and of itself. Now, looking at the motivations, reasoning, and methods of the killing can change things, but that's where stuff becomes highly subjective.

Besides, no one is arguing that the leadership of the CS is not evil, that's pretty well established (heck, look at the stats in Sourcebook 1- Emperor Prosek is Diabolical Evil, and Joseph II is Aberrant). However, the gray comes in the area of what the average citizen/soldier in the CS thinks and feels, and whether or not the organization as a whole is evil.

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Sir Darom wrote:Correct, Doom. So, instead of either learning to share their resources and cooperate, or at least just deporting them all to Lazlo (that way, Lazlo can be blamed if anything bad happens to the dbees after taking them there), they opt for murder.

I'm supposing that the CS one day decided that the best way to fight the "evil" is to try to outdo them in evil.


Killing the evil invader is not murder. It's war.
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HeelHook wrote:Before science fiction came along, the term xenophobia meant any fear, distrust, hate, and/or contempt of outsiders, strangers, and foreigners and not just "aliens." Heck, before science fiction came along "aliens" meant foriegners and strangers. Xenophobia IS more or less racism.


Whoa!

I always thought "Xenophobia" was fear of warrior princesses.

No, wait a minute.... I'm thinking of Xenaphobia.
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Tyciol wrote:How about Speciesphobia? Don't forget magicphobia and mutantphobia too. *shrugs*


No, those names don't work, the names of phobias never include the the actual daily-use name of the object of the phobia. Crazy scientist and their Latin mumbo-jumbo...

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I also remember that the CS has some sort of tech device that can detect psycic powers. Dont' remember too much of it but it's in the back of the Psyscape book if any ones interested. I do remeber that it's not very accurate.
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