Auto Parry

[Athos]

Do all man at arms classes have auto parry? Or do some have to use up an attack to parry?

[Athos]

Having any Hand to Hand skill provides auto-parry

You're right. I just found it on page 35 of the Rifts Main Book. Guess I need to reread that section again. Thanks for the quick reply.

[Zer0 Kay]

normal parry is "auto" parry. Paired weapons allows you to parry two attacks at the same time (i.e. simultainious attack). Circular parry (N&S allows you to parry multiple attackers (or attacks can't remember) with a single parry (if it says attackers that would mean that if someone has paired weapons and you don't you could only parry one of that attackers weapons and all of his buddies single attacks.)

Autododge is only affective against a single combatant. Whereas regular dodge is affective against all attackers. Circular parry is an auto normal dodge, parry is an auto dodge. Reason to use a dodge vs. parry, unless you have some good armor I wouldn't suggest parrying a laser blast. Technically you should only be able to parry attacks within close combat range, unless you have a very high P.P., no matter what martial art you have. Essentially all martial arts or OCC/RCC/PCC that allows deflection of ranged weapons via parry should require a high minimum PP.

[Borast]

Having any Hand to Hand skill provides auto-parry

You're right. I just found it on page 35 of the Rifts Main Book. Guess I need to reread that section again. Thanks for the quick reply.

If you're referring to STEP 3: Defender May ... where it says Parrying may be done automatically...any form of Hand to Hand...without wasting a melee attack.

This may very well mean that Rifts is the only system Palladium puts-out (other than NS&S) where no one has to spend an action on parrying... Have to check this out.

I've always simply ran it that if you want to parry, you have to spend your action. Hmmm...

[Athos]

normal parry is "auto" parry. Paired weapons allows you to parry two attacks at the same time (i.e. simultainious attack).

I believe normal parry is exchanging one of your attack actions for a parry action during a melee. If you have HTH you do not need to give up that action to parry, so it is not the norm, but a special ability for those with HTH.

For a simultaneous attack there is no parry, entangle or dodge. With paired weapons you can choose to simultaneously attack with both weapons and give up your parry, or simultaneously attack with one weapon and parry with the other. But you cannot simultaneously attack with both weapons while you parry with both weapons.

[Zer0 Kay]

normal parry is "auto" parry. Paired weapons allows you to parry two attacks at the same time (i.e. simultainious attack).

I believe normal parry is exchanging one of your attack actions for a parry action during a melee. If you have HTH you do not need to give up that action to parry, so it is not the norm, but a special ability for those with HTH.

Where is that? It does make sense though. Besides according to text it is more like you don't have parry period without having HtH it is a skill that is more complicated than dodging.

For a simultaneous attack there is no parry, entangle or dodge. With paired weapons you can choose to simultaneously attack with both weapons and give up your parry, or simultaneously attack with one weapon and parry with the other. But you cannot simultaneously attack with both weapons while you parry with both weapons.

If your trying to correct my comment on paired weapons, by simultaneous attacks I mean that multiple people (more than 2) have tied init. which means that they act at the same time. If they both attack you then you can only parry one person. Paired weapons would allow you to parry both unless of course they had paired weapons then good luck.

Saying that their is no parry, or entangle for the simultaneous attack (common Palladium def. you used) is wrong. If a person without paired weapons simultaneously attacks a person with paired weapons the person with paired weapons could parry with the second, depending on skill/weapons the "paired" weapon could be used to entangle (i.e. net, man catcher [dought you could use it as paired since its a polearm but even as a single in a simultaneous attack it entangles as would the net though the net may be used as "paired" with a gladius/trident ala gladiator] tonfa, sai, jette, sword breaker, tripple dagger, etc.).

[Athos]

Rifts Main Book pg 36

"Parry: A defender can attempt to parry most physical attacks. This is done by blocking the attacker's blow with a weapon or hand. Characters trained in hand to hand combat can parry without losing melee attacks. Bullets and energy attacks cannot be parried!"

Rifts Main Book pg 36

"The advantage of a simultaneous attack is that neither opponent can parry, dodge or entangle."

I tried to use the bold and italics exactly as is written in the RMB.

Hope this helps

[Vrykolas2k]

Rifts Main Book pg 36

"Parry: A defender can attempt to parry most physical attacks. This is done by blocking the attacker's blow with a weapon or hand. Characters trained in hand to hand combat can parry without losing melee attacks. Bullets and energy attacks cannot be parried!"

Rifts Main Book pg 36

"The advantage of a simultaneous attack is that neither opponent can parry, dodge or entangle."

I tried to use the bold and italics exactly as is written in the RMB.

Hope this helps

Well, you can parry bullets and energy attacks with some types of weopons... Rune, for instance...

[Athos]

Well, you can parry bullets and energy attacks with some types of weopons... Rune, for instance...

Palladium contradict themselves? I am shocked. Shocked I say.

[Zer0 Kay]

Rifts Main Book pg 36

"Parry: A defender can attempt to parry most physical attacks. This is done by blocking the attacker's blow with a weapon or hand. Characters trained in hand to hand combat can parry without losing melee attacks. Bullets and energy attacks cannot be parried!"

Rifts Main Book pg 36

"The advantage of a simultaneous attack is that neither opponent can parry, dodge or entangle."

I tried to use the bold and italics exactly as is written in the RMB.

Hope this helps

I know this is useless in rifts but lets try reasoning this out.

The first section: That could be read either way. You can read this statement one of two ways. Only characters trained in HtH combat can Parry which costs them no actions (regular people or untrained character not being able to.) Or characters trained in HtH combat have the advantage of their Parry costing them no actions.
The second statement is the assumption that both opponents are equal.


Explain the benefit of paired weapons? Here I'll quote you with some emphasis.

With paired weapons you can choose to simultaneously attack with both weapons and give up your parry, or simultaneously attack with one weapon and parry with the other.

Even better if you were quoting straight from the book because then Palladium's own rules just showed that you can simultanious attack and parry if you have paired weapons. If you can't use the other paired weapon while you are attacking with one what is the use of the skill? I'd be able to do the same thing with just a single weapon.

[Dr. Doom III]

If you can't use the other paired weapon while you are attacking with one what is the use of the skill? I'd be able to do the same thing with just a single weapon.

How can you parry a simultanious attack?
Answer: Paired weapons allows you to simultaneously attack with one weapon and parry with the other.

[Zer0 Kay]

If you can't use the other paired weapon while you are attacking with one what is the use of the skill? I'd be able to do the same thing with just a single weapon.

How can you parry a simultanious attack?
Answer: Paired weapons allows you to simultaneously attack with one weapon and parry with the other.

Argh. I know!! Why are you telling me I said the same thing a few posts back and in the one you quoted from also. The point of the statement you quoted from me is the Paired weapons skill would be less usefull if it didn't allow parrying in a simultanious attack. danboals is the one that you need to quote.

[Vrykolas2k]

Well, you can parry bullets and energy attacks with some types of weopons... Rune, for instance...

Palladium contradict themselves? I am shocked. Shocked I say.

Well, it isn't like you can go to Wal-mart and buy one either... they're RARE. Which is what annoys me about some whiners, they act like you run into a Rune weopon every time you walk out the door or something. Same with Battle Fury Blades...

[Athos]

I would say it is a GM call if and how much damage is taken. If you parry by stopping the blow with an equivalent weapon, say another vibro blade, I would say neither is damaged by just one strike.

[Zer0 Kay]

A parry is a deflection not a block. A block you absorb all the force and would take damage. A parry attempts to deflect the force into a different direction. If you block with a sword you risk either damaging the edge, or breaking the blade. If you parry with a sword usually you cause your opponents blade to slide down the flat of yours and away from your body.

[PigLickJF]

Uh... RPGman? Juicer's get an Auto Dodge. Not an Auto Parry. No such animal.

Sure there is. Anyone who has HtH training gets auto-parry.

PigLick