RCC become a Maxi Killer

[Battle_Magi]

Could a Strapha Warrior become a Maxi Killer or any of the other Juicers?

[TechnoGothic]

Could a Strapha Warrior become a Maxi Killer or any of the other Juicers?

which book are the Strapha Warriors in again ??

i say yes though.
it seems to work on most beings who are not supernatural

[cornholioprime]

As far as can be determined, the ONLY thing blocking most creatures/Races/R.C.C. from becoming Juicers is a lack of research into the right set of Chemicals for that particular Racial Group.

To put it another way, since nobody in Canon has found the right mix of Chemicals to mix into a Staphra Bio-Comp without killing her or even working in a manner OPPOSITE that intended...you are pretty much stuck to the listed Canon Races that can get such Treatments (See the Article in Rifts: Juicer Uprising for the complete breakdown).

NOTE: Personally, I think that this is also an Out-of-Game Balance Issue as well; hence Siembieda's oft-repeated wording about Juicers being limited to certain Races due to Lack of Research into their respective Physiologies).

[TechnoGothic]

The MAXI-KILLER aka BIO-WIZARD Juicer is not a normal juicer.
WB-10 JU was written way before Splynn was. So the list is obsolite. IT is a GM call.

The Maxi-Inducer Symbiote seems to work on almost anybody.
It shortens the Lifespan of the creature greatly however.

I'd allow them as Maxi-Killers though if they are a mortal no supernatural being lacking bio-regeneration abilties...

Once the symbiote is attached it is permant though. No detox, removal of the symbiote means death cause it inside you too taking over functions and amping up function of your body.

Think of the Maxi-Inducer as a hyper-Chest Amalant(sp?) symbiot...

Maxi-Killers then get a Second symbiote attached which acts as the Living Armor. That symbiote also invades your body. It even retreats inside you when its badly damaged and eats 50 MDC to heal itself.

I'd allow it.
Sploogies dont care about the minions races much. The symbiote might be a punishment even for failure.

Go for it as long as they are not supernatural...

[cornholioprime]

The MAXI-KILLER aka BIO-WIZARD Juicer is not a normal juicer.
WB-10 JU was written way before Splynn was. So the list is obsolite. IT is a GM call. A]]

The Maxi-Inducer Symbiote seems to work on almost anybody. B]]
It shortens the Lifespan of the creature greatly however.

I'd allow them as Maxi-Killers though if they are a mortal no supernatural being lacking bio-regeneration abilties...

Once the symbiote is attached it is permant though. No detox, removal of the symbiote means death cause it inside you too taking over functions and amping up function of your body.

Think of the Maxi-Inducer as a hyper-Chest Amalant(sp?) symbiot...

Maxi-Killers then get a Second symbiote attached which acts as the Living Armor. That symbiote also invades your body. It even retreats inside you when its badly damaged and eats 50 MDC to heal itself.

I'd allow it.
Sploogies dont care about the minions races much. The symbiote might be a punishment even for failure.

Go for it as long as they are not supernatural...

A]] EVERYTHING not Canon is subject to GM's call. The GM can allow Half-Dragon, Half Elf, Half Chihuahua/PitBull Mix Characters into the Game if (s)he wants to.

But Forum Questions usually demand Canon Answers.

Furthermore, Canon info in older Books is made invalid ONLY if the Info in the later Book contradicts the Data in the earlier Book.

There is absolutely NO indication, information, or even inference WHATSOEVER in the Splynn: Dimensional Market Book that the Potential Candidates List for Maxi-Killer has changed in any way, shape or form -at least in the quick reading of that Book that I did.

If, however, you can find such an inference, I'll be happy to change my mind pending my review of whatever "evidence" you can find.

B]] See above; no inference whatsoever that list of potential Candidate Races for the Maxi-Killer Conversion has changed since Rifts: Juicer Uprising.

[Dr. Doom III]

A]] EVERYTHING not Canon is subject to GM's call. The GM can allow Half-Dragon, Half Elf, Half Chihuahua/PitBull Mix Characters into the Game if (s)he wants to.

But Forum Questions usually demand Canon Answers.

Furthermore, Canon info in older Books is made invalid ONLY if the Info in the later Book contradicts the Data in the earlier Book.

There is absolutely NO indication, information, or even inference WHATSOEVER in the Splynn: Dimensional Market Book that the Potential Candidates List for Maxi-Killer has changed in any way, shape or form -at least in the quick reading of that Book that I did.

If, however, you can find such an inference, I'll be happy to change my mind pending my review of whatever "evidence" you can find.

B]] See above; no inference whatsoever that list of potential Candidate Races for the Maxi-Killer Conversion has changed since Rifts: Juicer Uprising.

So if it doesn't say you can you can't?

[cornholioprime]

A]] EVERYTHING not Canon is subject to GM's call. The GM can allow Half-Dragon, Half Elf, Half Chihuahua/PitBull Mix Characters into the Game if (s)he wants to.

But Forum Questions usually demand Canon Answers.

Furthermore, Canon info in older Books is made invalid ONLY if the Info in the later Book contradicts the Data in the earlier Book.

There is absolutely NO indication, information, or even inference WHATSOEVER in the Splynn: Dimensional Market Book that the Potential Candidates List for Maxi-Killer has changed in any way, shape or form -at least in the quick reading of that Book that I did.

If, however, you can find such an inference, I'll be happy to change my mind pending my review of whatever "evidence" you can find.

B]] See above; no inference whatsoever that list of potential Candidate Races for the Maxi-Killer Conversion has changed since Rifts: Juicer Uprising.

So if it doesn't say you can you can't?

Poor, poor Doom.

Only THINKING that he sounds witty, but who is in truth, in this case, making himself out to be quite the fool.

Two basic principles to help you out in the future, Victor:

1]] Since there is NO rule or System of Logic in Rifts that follows 100% consistency (apart from, perhaps, the "GM's Call" Rule), assigning the EXACT same Rules of Logic the SAME way, EVERY time, like your Nancy Reagan-esque "just-say-no" Rule is...well....just plain silly.

2]] As I'm sure you know, the Flavor Text of the Maxi-Killer O.C.C. CLEARLY states who is eligible for the Treatment/Conversion, with no ambiguity whatsoever. The Text also implies (is "imply" the right word for something so clearly stated?) that no other Races besides those listed can use it.


But thanks for playing......

[Dr. Doom III]

A]] EVERYTHING not Canon is subject to GM's call. The GM can allow Half-Dragon, Half Elf, Half Chihuahua/PitBull Mix Characters into the Game if (s)he wants to.

But Forum Questions usually demand Canon Answers.

Furthermore, Canon info in older Books is made invalid ONLY if the Info in the later Book contradicts the Data in the earlier Book.

There is absolutely NO indication, information, or even inference WHATSOEVER in the Splynn: Dimensional Market Book that the Potential Candidates List for Maxi-Killer has changed in any way, shape or form -at least in the quick reading of that Book that I did.

If, however, you can find such an inference, I'll be happy to change my mind pending my review of whatever "evidence" you can find.

B]] See above; no inference whatsoever that list of potential Candidate Races for the Maxi-Killer Conversion has changed since Rifts: Juicer Uprising.

So if it doesn't say you can you can't?

Poor, poor Doom.

Only THINKING that he sounds witty, but who is in truth, in this case, making himself out to be quite the fool.

Two basic principles to help you out in the future, Victor:

1]] Since there is NO rule or System of Logic in Rifts that follows 100% consistency (apart from, perhaps, the "GM's Call" Rule), assigning the EXACT same Rules of Logic the SAME way, EVERY time, like your Nancy Reagan-esque "just-say-no" Rule is...well....just plain silly.

2]] As I'm sure you know, the Flavor Text of the Maxi-Killer O.C.C. CLEARLY states who is eligible for the Treatment/Conversion, with no ambiguity whatsoever. The Text also implies (is "imply" the right word for something so clearly stated?) that no other Races besides those listed can use it.


But thanks for playing......

Right.
If it doesn't say you can you can't.
Thanks.

[cornholioprime]

A]] EVERYTHING not Canon is subject to GM's call. The GM can allow Half-Dragon, Half Elf, Half Chihuahua/PitBull Mix Characters into the Game if (s)he wants to.

But Forum Questions usually demand Canon Answers.

Furthermore, Canon info in older Books is made invalid ONLY if the Info in the later Book contradicts the Data in the earlier Book.

There is absolutely NO indication, information, or even inference WHATSOEVER in the Splynn: Dimensional Market Book that the Potential Candidates List for Maxi-Killer has changed in any way, shape or form -at least in the quick reading of that Book that I did.

If, however, you can find such an inference, I'll be happy to change my mind pending my review of whatever "evidence" you can find.

B]] See above; no inference whatsoever that list of potential Candidate Races for the Maxi-Killer Conversion has changed since Rifts: Juicer Uprising.

So if it doesn't say you can you can't?

Poor, poor Doom.

Only THINKING that he sounds witty, but who is in truth, in this case, making himself out to be quite the fool.

Two basic principles to help you out in the future, Victor:

1]] Since there is NO rule or System of Logic in Rifts that follows 100% consistency (apart from, perhaps, the "GM's Call" Rule), assigning the EXACT same Rules of Logic the SAME way, EVERY time, like your Nancy Reagan-esque "just-say-no" Rule is...well....just plain silly.

2]] As I'm sure you know, the Flavor Text of the Maxi-Killer O.C.C. CLEARLY states who is eligible for the Treatment/Conversion, with no ambiguity whatsoever. The Text also implies (is "imply" the right word for something so clearly stated?) that no other Races besides those listed can use it.


But thanks for playing......

Right.
If it doesn't say you can you can't.
Thanks.

Very well.

The Hüüked on Fonnix, dumbed down version for Doom then; I've little doubt that anybody else grasps the basic principle.

Here ya go, Doomie:

A]] If it clearly says "yes," or clearly infers "yes," then it's allowed.

B]] If it clearly says "no," or clearly infers "no," then it's not allowed.

BUT...

C]] If it does NOT clearly say "yes" OR "no," then DON'T automatically assume "yes" or "no;" Go figure it out. Research it. Find other Inferences for a given Situation. Whatever.

Sometimes the end result may be "yes" and sometimes the end result may be "no."

Simplicity itself.

Except, apparently, for you, Doom.........

[Dr. Doom III]

Very well.

The Hüüked on Fonnix, dumbed down version for Doom then; I've little doubt that anybody else grasps the basic principle.

Here ya go, Doomie:

A]] If it clearly says "yes," or clearly infers "yes," then it's allowed.

B]] If it clearly says "no," or clearly infers "no," then it's not allowed.

BUT...

C]] If it does NOT clearly say "yes" OR "no," then DON'T automatically assume "yes" or "no;" Go figure it out. Research it. Find other Inferences for a given Situation. Whatever.

Sometimes the end result may be "yes" and sometimes the end result may be "no."

Simplicity itself.

Except, apparently, for you, Doom.........

You are clearly learning.

Now if you could just wrap you head around when there is no evidence at all then you must not assume something that is not listed is possible in every instance including the ones where you want an certain outcome then you would be there.

But you have taken your first steps into a larger world.

[cornholioprime]

Very well.

The Hüüked on Fonnix, dumbed down version for Doom then; I've little doubt that anybody else grasps the basic principle.

Here ya go, Doomie:

A]] If it clearly says "yes," or clearly infers "yes," then it's allowed.

B]] If it clearly says "no," or clearly infers "no," then it's not allowed.

BUT...

C]] If it does NOT clearly say "yes" OR "no," then DON'T automatically assume "yes" or "no;" Go figure it out. Research it. Find other Inferences for a given Situation. Whatever.

Sometimes the end result may be "yes" and sometimes the end result may be "no."

Simplicity itself.

Except, apparently, for you, Doom.........

You are clearly learning.

Now if you could just wrap you head around when there is no evidence at all then you must not assume something that is not listed is possible in every instance including the ones where you want an certain outcome then you would be there.

But you have taken your first steps into a larger world.

**Sigh**

Apparently, you are talking to yourself.

I have ALWAYS stated that the answer to a given Situation varies based on the evidence found, but at least I'm consistent about it, whether the outcome is something that I "favor" or not. And the rest of us know full well what constitutes "evidence" in your mind; usually, it depends on whether or not you agree with it. If you don't, then it usually doesn't matter WHO wrote it.

Or does "I don't care what it says; I care what it should say" ring a bell??


But oh, well.

I remember Thomas Sowell or some such person saying that some things are so simple that only an Intellectual could fail to understand them.

I dub thee "intellectual" (in this case, NOT a compliment)...

[cornholioprime]

I would say just a maxi-killer, yes. Any other juicer would require much more research into the matter on part of the splugorth, and frankly, they'd think their Maxi-Killer is better anyway. The only thing that would REALLY have to be done is for the bio-wizards to take a few staphra, find out just what makes them "tick" and modify the maxi-inducer and living armor accordingly. None of this would be exceptionally difficult for a group of splugorth bio-wizards to accomplish in my opinion, given some of the astounding things they have already accomplished.

Agreed, with a caveat.

I have no doubt whatsoever that virtually ANY non-Supernatural Race (and even then many Races amongst their number are suffiiciently "non-supernatural" for it) can be given a Juicer Regimen once their Physiology has been mapped out.

However, I maintain that, for "Game Balance" reasons, and those reasons only, Kevin repeatedly states that the various Powers of the Megaverse that could invest the proper time, cost, and effort to make a working Juicer Conversion for a given Race, fail or decline to do so.......

[TechnoGothic]

Maxi-killers are a Plug-in and Play deal

If your not a supernatural being, it works most of the time.
Its not like normal juicers at all.
There is no chemicals.
The symbiote does all the work boosting your own body to those levels.

Juicer Uprising Maxi-Killer even has a mention for races not in the list.
How to come up with their new Lifespan, etc...

So whats so hard to figure out.

IF you or the GM want a Race not on the list. If its not supernatural, it can work if you want it to. Add the Maxi-Killer bonuses to the RCC and the Maxi0Killer OCC instead of a normal OCC, unless your switching OCCs in game.

[cornholioprime]

Maxi-killers are a Plug-in and Play deal

If your not a supernatural being, it works most of the time.
Its not like normal juicers at all.
There is no chemicals.
The symbiote does all the work boosting your own body to those levels.

Juicer Uprising Maxi-Killer even has a mention for races not in the list.
How to come up with their new Lifespan, etc...

So whats so hard to figure out.

IF you or the GM want a Race not on the list. If its not supernatural, it can work if you want it to. Add the Maxi-Killer bonuses to the RCC and the Maxi0Killer OCC instead of a normal OCC, unless your switching OCCs in game.

If you can produce THAT Quote and Page Number, then again, I'll be happy to amend my Interpretation pending a review of the Data you provide (not at home near the Books right now)....

[The Galactus Kid]

lol...I want an Octoman Gunslinger turned Maxi killer. MWAHAHAHA my munchkin creation of the week.

[Trencher]

Is it just me or are certain people WAY to snide over something that should a simple game balance question?

[The Galactus Kid]

What? I don't know if you were talking to me, but i would say that if I were to have an octo man trained as a gunslinger, and sent to atlantis, I would want to become a maxikiller...who knows, it may be fun

[TechnoGothic]

What? I don't know if you were talking to me, but i would say that if I were to have an octo man trained as a gunslinger, and sent to atlantis, I would want to become a maxikiller...who knows, it may be fun

Buts its a Death sentence getting a Maxi-Killer.
There is no way to get rid of the symbiote and you burn out.

[TechnoGothic]

If you can produce THAT Quote and Page Number, then again, I'll be happy to amend my Interpretation pending a review of the Data you provide (not at home near the Books right now)....

opps seems i did grab it last week, sorry.

Lets see:

Humans, True Atlantians (not tattoes men), Kittani, Kydians, Wolfen, Elves, Dwarfs, Simvan, Hawrk-duhk, Hawrk-ka, Hawrk-ohl, and a viariety of Human-like D-Bees. Splugorth High Lords, can also recieve the treatment but conservators.
Shapeshifter, Major, or Master Psychics, Partitioners of Magic, Creatures of Magic and Supernatural Beings cannot undergo this treatment

The rules on figuring out the New Lifespans of Recipients are also on page 54, #9 Pentalties...

So if these beings meet the above they can have it.
Are they Human-like ?
As long as the are not restricted (shapeshifters, Psychic, Magic users, Magic/Supernatural) they can receive the Maxi-Killer treatments...

[cornholioprime]

If you can produce THAT Quote and Page Number, then again, I'll be happy to amend my Interpretation pending a review of the Data you provide (not at home near the Books right now)....

opps seems i did grab it last week, sorry.

Lets see:

Humans, True Atlantians (not tattoes men), Kittani, Kydians, Wolfen, Elves, Dwarfs, Simvan, Hawrk-duhk, Hawrk-ka, Hawrk-ohl, and a viariety of Human-like D-Bees. Splugorth High Lords, can also recieve the treatment but conservators.
Shapeshifter, Major, or Master Psychics, Partitioners of Magic, Creatures of Magic and Supernatural Beings cannot undergo this treatment

The rules on figuring out the New Lifespans of Recipients are also on page 54, #9 Pentalties...

So if these beings meet the above they can have it.
Are they Human-like ?
As long as the are not restricted (shapeshifters, Psychic, Magic users, Magic/Supernatural) they can receive the Maxi-Killer treatments...

That's all that I needed to see.

I now believe that Staphra, Warriors and Mystics alike, can become Maxi-Killers.

However, based on inference from the Text on Maxi-Killers as pertains to Splugorth Conservators, Staphra Warlords CANNOT get the Conversion/Treatment.

[Dr. Doom III]

Or does "I don't care what it says; I care what it should say" ring a bell??

I already know you know how to take a statement out of context. No need to demonstrate it here.

[cornholioprime]

WB10 gives a list of races that are able to undergo the Maxi-killer augmentation. Not too many on that list, but a splurgoth can become one...

Probably not.

They're greater Supernatural Creatures that probably regenerate too fast for their Bodies to "allow" Maxi-Killer Symbiotes to graft onto them..

[The Galactus Kid]

Splugorth HIGHLORDS, not the splugorth themselves. Then again, a slugorth wouldn't ever need to consider becoming a maxi killer.

[Battle_Magi]

I would say just a maxi-killer, yes. Any other juicer would require much more research into the matter on part of the splugorth, and frankly, they'd think their Maxi-Killer is better anyway. The only thing that would REALLY have to be done is for the bio-wizards to take a few staphra, find out just what makes them "tick" and modify the maxi-inducer and living armor accordingly. None of this would be exceptionally difficult for a group of splugorth bio-wizards to accomplish in my opinion, given some of the astounding things they have already accomplished.

Thank you

[Trencher]

What? I don't know if you were talking to me, but i would say that if I were to have an octo man trained as a gunslinger, and sent to atlantis, I would want to become a maxikiller...who knows, it may be fun

Gunslingers octomen are allways fun.
But I were not refrearing to you.