THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

[Gallahan]

From the listed "classic" *MOVIE* super heroes, who do you think would win in an all and all out gladiator styled PIT BRAWL. Assume that there is a force-field around the colesium, preventing flying out, busting through or digging underground. It's a perfect, impenetrable sphere of unknown energy. There is no escape. The heroes are forced to fight and slug it out or die.

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE survivor.

This mental exercise in comparing "classic" superhero abilities will help determine which kind of heroes in HEROES UNLIMITED might do better in such a conflict.

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!!!!! Be sure to explain *why* your selected champion would win.

[Guest]

Wolverine has already kicked half that lists ass on one occasion or another.

Only the Hulk has ever managed to put him down for any period of time, he snapped his spinal cord in a What If, but I think Wolvie would heal from that.

I can't think of who Mr. X is...

But none of the rest Heal like Wolvie does, and ultimately he would wind up on top of a pile of bodies.

[Gallahan]

Mr. Xavier, I think. He's the guy in the wheelchair who mentors the X-Men.

[Guest]

Mr. Xavier, I think. He's the guy in the wheelchair who mentors the X-Men.

Ah.

Well...if he wanted to be a horrible bastard, he could turn off the minds of every single one of them in an instant.

Last I checked, Xavier could probably kill everyone on Earth pretty quickly if hooked up to Cerebro.

If you had put Dark Phoenix in there, I'd have gone for her.

Normal Phoenix was always a little too wimpy, and always wound up finding some way to die despite having immense cosmic power.

[znbrtn]

Mr. Xavier, I think. He's the guy in the wheelchair who mentors the X-Men.

i figured it was that, or you confused mr. X with nemesis from resident evil 2.

edit: my computer had a major brainfart, which resulted in me voting for the wrong person(phoenix)..... i meant to vote for prof. X, because he has the most powerful ability over all for the situation... i'm fairly sure that he could even take movie supes down....

[Dr. Doom III]

HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!

[Guest]

HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!

OW! WOLVERINE SLASH HULKS GUT OPEN!

HULK SMASH WOLVERINE!

Hmm..Wolverine Stand back up?

HULK MAD BUT GETTING WOOZY!

OW! WOLVERINE KEEP SLASHING HULK!

Why won't pointy little man stay dead?

[Narsis]

Dr. Doom v.3.2.4 wrote:
HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!


Being strong doesn't mean your going to win your fights. You have to have speed, intelligence and a good deal of luck on your side. Just remember one lucky punch could mean the end to anyone.

[sinestus]

ok... we already saw Punnisher Kills the Marvel Universe...

and not that i'm a Punnisher fan, but really the only one he couldn't kill was Cap America...

and wolverine is the sorriest excuse for a marvel character...
he used to be respectable... back in the day when he wasn't the foundation for eight billion other characters and excuses for villains/heroes and their powers...

yes... wolverine has seen and fought everyone.... only 'cause that's what he does... he's like russel crow, sailing the world and picking fights...

hulk would crush wolvie,
wolvie would heal over time, and hulk return to banner
wolvie and banner would fight
banner go hulk
hulk crush puny human
turn back into banner...
(repeate ad nausium)
until banner realize it's going to happen again
sets trap for wolvie
magnetize room
pin wolvie to wall
go hulk
turn puny human into mush
leave the chunks to suffer

[Guest]

ok... we already saw Punnisher Kills the Marvel Universe...

and not that i'm a Punnisher fan, but really the only one he couldn't kill was Cap America...

and wolverine is the sorriest excuse for a marvel character...
he used to be respectable... back in the day when he wasn't the foundation for eight billion other characters and excuses for villains/heroes and their powers...

yes... wolverine has seen and fought everyone.... only 'cause that's what he does... he's like russel crow, sailing the world and picking fights...

hulk would crush wolvie,
wolvie would heal over time, and hulk return to banner
wolvie and banner would fight
banner go hulk
hulk crush puny human
turn back into banner...
(repeate ad nausium)
until banner realize it's going to happen again
sets trap for wolvie
magnetize room
pin wolvie to wall
go hulk
turn puny human into mush
leave the chunks to suffer

Except: They are in a dome where they can't escape and don't have access to the trap.

Even though the Adamantium being magnetic thing is crap, it wouldn't apply here anyways.

If Wolvie didn't take down the Hulk, he would definitely take Banner right out of commission at the first chance he got.

This guy is one of the best fighters anywhere, and he is damn brutal when he has to be.

[Larsen]

If its an open air pit and there no kryptonite around I say supes. Invulnerable, super strong, super speed, heat vision, cold breath, doesn't have to eat, or breathe. yea I think he be the winner.

Otherwise wolverine for previously said healing factor.

OH and I especially like edge's commentary on the hulk wolvie fight.

[Sir_Spirit]

It's Professor X not "mr. X".(He actually has degrees and stuff!)
And Supermans Krytonian battle kata's allow him to kill the professor and then kill everyone else with a combo of super speed and heat vision(the only thing left of Wolvie is his skeleton and supes can just rip that apart.

[acreRake]

Seems like most of you (edge) missed the part about these being the movie versions of the characters. That being the case: Superman. He can do ANYTHING. If "Mr. X" is indeed Xavier, it would probably come down to a contest between their minds, and i have no doubt movie-Superman would win out in the end.

[Larsen]

oh this is the movie versions? Still say supes. He turned back time for christ sake.

[acreRake]

Seems to me it would be kinda like Superman: Red Son, when Supes goes up against the Lantern Corp and just snatches Hal's ring off 'cause he can move so much faster than he can think.

[Gallahan]

Okay, call me a classicist. Is that even a word, classicsit?

I'd vote for SPIDERMAN because gosh darn it I want an oatmeal cookie, he's frigging COOL. And coooool does't die that easy.

1. He can dodge just about any attack.
2. He will avoid outright confrontation UNLESS necessary
3. While everyone else engages in a demolition derby, he would wait and see.

See, spidey would not do a frontal assault. He would help and hinder where necessary, and then IT'S WEB SLINGER EVERYWHERE!!!!

[Larsen]

Okay, call me a classicist. Is that even a word, classicsit?

I'd vote for SPIDERMAN because gosh darn it I want an oatmeal cookie, he's frigging COOL. And coooool does't die that easy.

1. He can dodge just about any attack.
2. He will avoid outright confrontation UNLESS necessary
3. While everyone else engages in a demolition derby, he would wait and see.

See, spidey would not do a frontal assault. He would help and hinder where necessary, and then IT'S WEB SLINGER EVERYWHERE!!!!

Even if he does that everyone else down supes and spidey. Spidey can't kill supes and even if all he does is stop supes after 7 days spidey will die of thirst and hunger. Supes doesn't have to eat or drink. Supes would still be the winner. Most likely though, spidey spins web, supes rips through it and flies into spidey before spidey even has time to think let alone register his spidey sense and then move out the way. Supes for the win.

[Gallahan]

You prove my point:

SPIDEY would use his New York 'FIREHOUSE' charisma to gather the other "gladiators" against "Supes."

Supes could not withstand such an onslaught!

Imagine *everyone* versus Superman. He could NOT win.

[Larsen]

You prove my point:

SPIDEY would use his New York 'FIREHOUSE' charisma to gather the other "gladiators" against "Supes."

Supes could not withstand such an onslaught!

Imagine *everyone* versus Superman. He could NOT win.

Why not? Let me say this again. Invulnerable. Cannot be hurt save kryptonite of which there is no mention.

[Guest]

Yeah, I did overlook the Movie Version caveat.

As it is, I didn't see much of the Superman movies, but I do remember the pre-crisis guy being uber unkillable.

In which case, I'd have to vote for Xavier, he could just flip all their brains off at once if he had too, or just dump them into a coma...physical might doesn't equal mental might, the next strongest mind on that list is Phoenix, and he'd own her.

[RockJock]

Why would Supes start by going after the guy in a blazer and wheelchair?

Even in the movie Professor X could use badguys as pawns, or stop the minds of all the people in the oval office for a press conference with minimal effort.

And even a a free for all people would break into groups. The FF would work as a team, same with the X-Men.

Who is Nightstalker? Blade?

In the alternative Prof. X could try to reason with the controlling power outside the sphere.

[Dr. Doom III]

HULK IS THE STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!

OW! WOLVERINE SLASH HULKS GUT OPEN!

HULK SMASH WOLVERINE!

Hmm..Wolverine Stand back up?

HULK MAD BUT GETTING WOOZY!

OW! WOLVERINE KEEP SLASHING HULK!

Why won't pointy little man stay dead?

When the HULK was green Wolverine couldn't cut him.

When the HULK was gray he could but he healed so fast it made Wolverine look like a hemophiliac.

The green HULK still heals that fast he just almost never has to.

[Guest]

Hmm, I don't remember seeing the original hulk where Wolvie couldn't hurt him at all.

I do remember him healing pretty good...

But as I didn't notice the "Movie Versions" bit, my vote should be Professor X, as he would just put the Hulk in a Coma if he was feeling nice, or turn off his brain if he wasn't.

[acreRake]

Why would Supes start by going after the guy in a blazer and wheelchair?

He wouldn't. I'm just saying, he could kill all of them before before Shang finishes saying "FIGHT!" if he wanted to.

Ok, probably not Hulk or Wolverine, but they'd be down while he killed the others.

[Daejiv]

BATMAN

All the way , he even beat up superman , and superman is invincible. Batmans the one , I am telling youl.

[sinestus]

Daejiv's got a point there...
Batts seems to always have a chunk of kryptonite handy....

so we know there's kryptonite on the field...


tho there is one big thing we all forgot...
who's writing/directing the battle?
if it's marvel, it doesn't matter 'cause everyone will come back three issues later...
and dc's no better...

[Guest]

Daejiv's got a point there...
Batts seems to always have a chunk of kryptonite handy....

so we know there's kryptonite on the field...


tho there is one big thing we all forgot...
who's writing/directing the battle?
if it's marvel, it doesn't matter 'cause everyone will come back three issues later...
and dc's no better...

Well, except Bucky...

Oh...wait...nevermind.

[RockJock]

And you're assuming that Batts doesn't drop into a coma from Xavier?

[znbrtn]

first xavier would shut down the minds of everyone there, except his fellow x-men(calling a truce with them, or shutting them down too, if they don't play nice). then he would scan the minds of everyone present, to get an idea who they're up against. once he figures out that supes is the most physically powerful guy there, he would take him over. he would explain to wolverine that he has to kill him for a while, and to not take it personally(the movie version is a little more calm than the comic version...). then he would proceed with the killings.... with superman's body. in the end, it would only be him and prof. x left, so the good prof would either A)shut his mind down nice and easy, or B) make supes punch him self to death.

edit: oh yeah, since we're talking about the movie versions of everybody, there's no possible way that batman would have kryptonite.

[Gomen_Nagai]

Buckaroo Bonzai Wins.

Why? he saves the universe!...

[Gallahan]

Hehehehe....

The evil genius who constructed this grand melee for his personal amusement did not do so without forethought. In fact, he feels that no one is his equal, thus he referred to Professor X as "Mr." X. Such a spitting insult for a bald, weak man (in the megalomaniac's opinion).

And here is the next level of his gladitorial plan: Any time any ONE hero gets an edge and seems to be winning, the maniacal villain introduces either a disadvantage/weakness of the hero (such as placing just a bit of kryptonite inside the arena, just enough to weaken) OR he introduces several of that hero's rivals or arch-nemeses (for instance, teleporting Man-wolf, The Vulture and The Green Goblin into the arena if Spidey were to gain the edge).

Worse, if SEVERAL heros band together, then anti-elements (weaknesses, villains) are introduced for each hero of the impromptu team. The Villains are under mind control and will mainly attack their rival, however, will not act stupidly and are allowed to fight anyone and everyone (except other villains).

[khyron1144]

I voted for Hulk because at least one of the comic book versions of the Hulk had no actual upper limit to his strength. He could keep getting stronger as he got angrier.


This means he could get Doomsday strong and kill Super Man, even get strong enough to break Wolverine's adamantium skull.


He does seem to be somewhat vulnerable to psychic influence and attack, so he might have touble with Professor X. On the other hand, what's the difference between Hulk and a mind-wiped Hulk?

[Guest]

I voted for Hulk because at least one of the comic book versions of the Hulk had no actual upper limit to his strength. He could keep getting stronger as he got angrier.


This means he could get Doomsday strong and kill Super Man, even get strong enough to break Wolverine's adamantium skull.


He does seem to be somewhat vulnerable to psychic influence and attack, so he might have touble with Professor X. On the other hand, what's the difference between Hulk and a mind-wiped Hulk?

Jean Grey has turned off peoples minds.

Prof X could turn off EVERYONES mind, there is a reason he is referred to as "The Most Powerful Mutant on The Planet".

[sinestus]

just realized, there's one big flaw in the "supes wins" or just about any other...

the bulk of the people involved are HEROES

people what don't kill others if they can avoid it

in all probability, no one would win, 'cause once the troublemakers like the hulk were calmed down, n one of the others would want to fight eachother.

[Gomen_Nagai]

supes wins cause he only needs to punch the speed force and time force barriers and undo the fight..
and he's done it more then once now, not just in the superman III movie ;0

[khyron1144]

I voted for Hulk because at least one of the comic book versions of the Hulk had no actual upper limit to his strength. He could keep getting stronger as he got angrier.


This means he could get Doomsday strong and kill Super Man, even get strong enough to break Wolverine's adamantium skull.


He does seem to be somewhat vulnerable to psychic influence and attack, so he might have touble with Professor X. On the other hand, what's the difference between Hulk and a mind-wiped Hulk?

1) Jean Grey has turned off peoples minds.

2) Prof X could turn off EVERYONES mind, there is a reason he is referred to as "The Most Powerful Mutant on The Planet".

1) So has the Prof. Read that Fatal Atractions arc (or don't: the upshot of it is Magneto peels the adamantium off Wolverine's bones and the Prof turns Magneto into a drooling idiot).

2) He could. He has. He is. See Onslaught.


I still go with Hulk. You know why? He's got so little mind to begin with that turning off more of it might actually not matter.

I'm curious how the people that voted for Wolverine think he is going to manage to take down Superman :D

I voted for Hulk, but I would guess the question is:
What's stronger? Adamantium or Kryptonian skin?

And anyone who picks Hulk because the madder he gets the stronger he gets, Professor X, if he survived, doesn't have to shut his mind down, he can pacify him. What's the difference between Hulk and a Pacified Hulk?

Bruce Banner.

That is true. I have no defense for The Hulk other than how does the Professor know to just calm Hulk down, so he turns into Banner?

if it's marvel, it doesn't matter 'cause everyone will come back three issues later...
and dc's no better...

DC's a little better. Barry (Flash II)'s only post-Crisis appearance have been as an impostor (Zoom) usurping his place and as a dead soul in Heaven (Kevin Smith's Green Arrow run) to the best of my knowledge.

Who is Nightstalker? Blade?

Oh. I thought he meant Kolchak, the guy from that old TV show. Either way, he'd be the biggest scrub in the fight.

Why not? Let me say this again. Invulnerable. Cannot be hurt save kryptonite of which there is no mention.

And equal or superior physical strength (killed in a simple slugfest with Doomsday)

and magic.


Even going with movie versions I think he had a little trouble when he fought people as strong as himself.





Thanks all and good night.

[Gallahan]

Well, looks like SUPERMAN has won this, hands down. I mean, no one comes close, like the old Air Force logo used to say.

Man, I really thought that someone else would've won, simply because they always end up trashing Superman. But hey, if you can turn back time, fire rays from your eyes, freeze with your breath, run around in a cape and seduce Lois Lane ---all in 2 seconds--- then I guess you win.

Batman, Hulk, Spidey... Sorry dudes. Supes killed ya.

[khyron1144]

Oh and by the way:

How come nobody has pointed out that there is no movie Phoenix (yet)? X-2 dropped a leading hint that there would be, but so far, there's been a movie Jean Grey.

[sinestus]

Oh and by the way:

How come nobody has pointed out that there is no movie Phoenix (yet)? X-2 dropped a leading hint that there would be, but so far, there's been a movie Jean Grey.

'cause we all thought you were talking the pheonix from that crappy "people stuck in the desert build an airplane" movie

[Rimmer]

of this list am gonna go HULK ! but really want to vote for "Deadpool"

[znbrtn]

of this list am gonna go HULK ! but really want to vote for "Deadpool"

yeah, if he were on the list, i would have voted for him too.... of course, that would mean that there would already be a deadpool movie, and thus, the world would be a better place.

[sinestus]

that brings up a good point...

which movie version of batts and superman are we talking?
animated?
or one of the other ones?

[Gallahan]

Unless there are huge differences, I'd say something like a conglomeration of the differet Batmans and Supermans. And maybe keep these to the live action movies, not the animated. But then again, is there a striking difference? I haven't seen the Batman Mask of Phantasm or whatever it was called.

[znbrtn]

If they were acting in their alignment/demeanor, I'd have to say The Hulk.

If not, and anyone had it within them to kill, Prof X or Superman would win, depending on whether Superman would waste Prof X before Prof X could brain-kill superman.

that's pretty much what it comes down to...

[Gallahan]

Theuromancer: I'm sorry, but I can't subscribe to your interpretations of those events.

But seriously dude: Wow. I really need to hit the comics racks more and do some ketchup.

[Larsen]

Why not? Let me say this again. Invulnerable. Cannot be hurt save kryptonite of which there is no mention.

And equal or superior physical strength (killed in a simple slugfest with Doomsday)

and magic.


Even going with movie versions I think he had a little trouble when he fought people as strong as himself.





Thanks all and good night.

going with the movie versions which is what this poll is using, only other krypotnians, kyrptonite, and beings that were cloned from him can hurt superman. And of those 3 things 0 are in the ring during this fight. The only other person who I believe could win is prof. x due to his whole freeze minds/control others thing.

[Gallahan]

Wouldn't Phoenix be able to take everyone out with her special powers?

[Gallahan]

Okay, here's the question, since Superman has won the vote:

WHO can take out Superman? Is there anyone out there that could do so?

I'm a little bit of comic book buff, but this poll was limited to movie versions of heroes. Can any movie hero/villain take the guy out?

[znbrtn]

Okay, here's the question, since Superman has won the vote:

WHO can take out Superman? Is there anyone out there that could do so?

I'm a little bit of comic book buff, but this poll was limited to movie versions of heroes. Can any movie hero/villain take the guy out?

his level of resistance to psionics was never shown in the movies, so it's unknown whether prof. x would be able to take him or not. if he got control, he could make supes punch himself to death, if it came down to it. if not, then the hulk is the only other viable option(as his strength could very well surpass that of a kryptonian). the only question about that, though, would be if he would last long enough.

[Dr. Doom III]

The Hulk's rage would be to much for Prof. X to handle.