Toc Rat wrote:Killer Cyborg wrote:The Federation of Magic has made numerous hits on Chi-Town and the CS in the past. And I know of no place in the books saying that there are NO successful terrorist attacks on the CS.
Something the equivilant of 9/11 hasn't happend in a LONG time because the CS is more on guard than our government and they operate on a different scale of power. There aren't any weapons lying around that are as devastating to their city as a fully-fueled jet-liner or two was to New York.
Note that everybody's plans for attacking Chi-town involves using weapons that nobody really has. Home-ruled TW devices of doom, or ICMB class nukes, or whatever.
Mages probably have teleported in bombs into Chi-town in the past, but they're the same type of bombs that Rifts are restricted to; the wimply variety that the CS and every other military is pretty much restricted to.
They probably blew up some downsiders in the lower levels and didn't really do much.
Numerous hits huh? Name me, by book and page number a dozen.
Probably can't list a dozen, but there was the attack of 12 PA (CWC, p. 20) which started the war between the CS and the FoM and numerous attacks since.
"around 65 PA, acts of terrorism claimed by the Federation of Magic were leveld at Chi-Town and other CS communities." (CWC 21)
"Those loyal to Nostrous Dunscon have often stirred the pot of hatred to reap foul vengeance against Chi-Town and other enemies. So far, all such conflicts have been small and contained; nothing lasting, nothing too serious. Mostly acts of murder and terrorism against members of the Coalition States and the innocent people of the great CS cities and Burbs." (FoM 13).
"Immediatly after his [Dunscon's] return, acts of terrorism and magical guerilla warfare had been leveled at Chi-Town and CS outposts throughout the Mid-West." (FoM 29)
"He [Dunscon] has instigated numerous skirmishes and terrorist acts in CS territories..." (FoM 29).
They kidnapped Karl Prosek's wife, which led to the Campaign of Unity and the war on Tolkeen (FoM 29).
I also notice a LOT of "probably" in your reply. They (the FOM) have probably hit Chi-town with teleported bombs in the past. They have probably blown up down siders. Nothing concrete and why is that?
Because the books are extremely vague and sketchy on any details about Chi-Town.
You, for some reason, choose to assume that this means that there have never been any successful terrorist attacks on Chi-Town.
Then you project your assumption onto the gameworld and complain about how unrealistic things are.
Because there is nothing in the books to show anything like a 9/11 attack has ever happened to the great blessed by the hand of GOD city that is Chi-Town.
Unless you want to count the Federation of Magic invasion of Chi-Town in 12 PA, which permantly altered the nature of the Coalition States.
Of course, that was much worse for Chi-Town than the 9/11 attacks were for us. 50,000 - 80,000 people estimated dead (FoM 11).
In fact I know of only ONE book example of a "terrorist" style attack happening within the walls of Chi-Town. In the SoT books it mentions that a assassination attempt was made on Carl's life, it FAILED. Yes they were able to kidnap his wife and blow up his youngest son (yes Joe had a little brother) but notice a few things this cannon attack proved.
1. It IS possible to teleport directly in to Chi-Town.
Of course.
2. There are people out there trying to do the CS damage via attacks inside their armored techno-cities.
Duh.
3. Once again we see the hand of GOD blessing Carl, Joe and their neo-nazi empire.
No more than the hand of God blessed Hitler in WWII. He managed to survive a large number of assassination attacks that should have been successful. Since Prosek is heavily paralleled to Hitler, it shouldn't be much of a surprise that Prosek do the same thing.
So, if they were able to teleport inside Chi-Town once, why not more times?
There most likely HAVE been more times.
Why haven't there been constant random bombings?
Where does it say that there haven't?
Ever seen the movie
Brazil? I picture certain levels of Chi-Town to be a lot like that.
What about biological warfare? They could release all kinds of nice magical or non-magical plagues in the lower levels.
Medical tech in the CS is a heck of a lot better than any of their enemies.
As for magical plagues, that would be great if there were any... but there don't seem to be any in the books that I know of.
With the total lack of sanitation we can see in the art shots of the lower side, itwould be near ideal conditions for the rapid spread of a plague. Hmm, wait that would mean letting Chi-Town and the Coalition stand on it's own two feet instead of saving time after time with illogical poor writting! Can't have that now can we?
CS medical technology is top of the line. Let some people die, give the rest IRMSS injections or whatever to kill the plague. Heck, the CS wouldn't have much problem sealing off and gassing the lower levels if things got bad enough.
In any case, you are once again basing your argument off of stuff that doesn't exist in the books. The Federation of Magic has no Bio-Weapons division working on plagues. The only place that might is Lonestar.