CS Medic Badge ~ What the heck?

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:48 pm

For those of you who have the new Rifts: Ultimate Edition, take a look at the top of page 237. Is it just me and my delusional mind or is that an angelic Jesus figure there :?:

Not that I mind, but still...

(And please, DO NOT turn this into a Christian bashing thread for all our sakes)

Daniel Stoker · Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:50 pm

Just looks like an angel to me.

Daniel Stoker

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:07 pm

Given how small and indistinct the image is, it's open to interpretation, but I see it as an angel of mercy.

Qev · Unread post by **Qev** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:53 pm

I haven't seen it, but I vote grilled cheese, because everyone loves grilled cheese (just like everyone loves medics), and grilled cheese is completely necessary for survival (just like medics), so yes. Grilled cheese.

Wait... is there ketchup for this grilled cheese Jesus badge?

RainOfSteel · Unread post by **RainOfSteel** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:58 pm

I view it as an indistinct angelic being.

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:00 pm

Qev wrote:I haven't seen it, but I vote grilled cheese, because everyone loves grilled cheese (just like everyone loves medics), and grilled cheese is completely necessary for survival (just like medics), so yes. Grilled cheese.

Wait... is there ketchup for this grilled cheese Jesus badge?

It's not in color so it's hard to tell, but there may indeed be ketchup...

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:03 pm

If it is an angel that would be very odd for the CS to say the least. They have made it quite clear they consider all relgions to be the work of Pre-Rifts magic using cultists. The Coalition's citizens are supposed to be good little atheists that don't worship gods and/or demons.

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:17 pm

Toc Rat wrote:If it is an angel that would be very odd for the CS to say the least. They have made it quite clear they consider all relgions to be the work of Pre-Rifts magic using cultists. The Coalition's citizens are supposed to be good little atheists that don't worship gods and/or demons.

See there you go again, assuming that the artists and writers actually think about what has been written before when they're creating new material. Trust me, looking for consistency in rifts only leads to heartbreak.

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:20 pm

Kalinda wrote:
Toc Rat wrote:If it is an angel that would be very odd for the CS to say the least. They have made it quite clear they consider all relgions to be the work of Pre-Rifts magic using cultists. The Coalition's citizens are supposed to be good little atheists that don't worship gods and/or demons.

See there you go again, assuming that the artists and writers actually think about what has been written before when they're creating new material. Trust me, looking for consistency in rifts only leads to heartbreak.

Hehe. spoken like a long time fan of Rifts! :ok:

It just wouldnt be the same without all the illogical plot lines and continuity flaw now would it? :lol:

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:53 pm

AdeptPaladin wrote:
Toc Rat wrote:If it is an angel that would be very odd for the CS to say the least. They have made it quite clear they consider all relgions to be the work of Pre-Rifts magic using cultists. The Coalition's citizens are supposed to be good little atheists that don't worship gods and/or demons.

Somehow, I doubt that's true. Afterall, there is most definitely two kinds of worshiping sanctioned in the Coalition; worship of the Emperor Prosek himself and glorification of the military.

Both of which are encouraged by the propaganda machine. And I don't think Prosek would be against the worshipping of the Christian 'God', given that all the other gods have manifested, the one that hasn't is logically non-existant.

Doubt all you want, not interested in an argument on this one. What I said isn't an opinion, it's cannon, verifiable by book(s) and page numbers.

Oh almost forgot, I don't think their are any "Churchs of Prosek" mentioned anywhere in any book. Nor do I recall reading anything on a "Temple of General so and so". :lol:

Dr. Doom III · Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:06 am

Perhaps it's just a caduceus?

A long standing symbol of the medical profession.

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:50 am

akira0238 wrote:funny how the angelic figure (battle angel, anyone?) causes a mild teacup tempest, but the cross insignia used for medics which derives from Christian symbology doesn't.

The angelic figure is of course a more obvious religious symbol as the "red cross" has been reduced to a scarlet plus sign.

personally I would think the CS would be very much against Christianity or any other religion that could place its adherents' loyalty somewhere other than the State. (Rome wasn't too thrilled with the early Christians as I recall)

Hmm, a point I forgot. Good Ole Carl wouldn't want any possible source of authority that could challenge his. A pope, priest or other such person would be just such a threat to his power. Not to mention that if his citizens start listening to the bible instead of to him he might have a revolt on his hands.

Mech-Viper Prime · Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:32 am

Toc Rat wrote:
akira0238 wrote:funny how the angelic figure (battle angel, anyone?) causes a mild teacup tempest, but the cross insignia used for medics which derives from Christian symbology doesn't.

The angelic figure is of course a more obvious religious symbol as the "red cross" has been reduced to a scarlet plus sign.

personally I would think the CS would be very much against Christianity or any other religion that could place its adherents' loyalty somewhere other than the State. (Rome wasn't too thrilled with the early Christians as I recall)

Hmm, a point I forgot. Good Ole Carl wouldn't want any possible source of authority that could challenge his. A pope, priest or other such person would be just such a threat to his power. Not to mention that if his citizens start listening to the bible instead of to him he might have a revolt on his hands.

for all you know the CS could print thier version of the bible

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:12 am

AdeptPaladin wrote:
Toc Rat wrote:If it is an angel that would be very odd for the CS to say the least. They have made it quite clear they consider all relgions to be the work of Pre-Rifts magic using cultists. The Coalition's citizens are supposed to be good little atheists that don't worship gods and/or demons.

Somehow, I doubt that's true. Afterall, there is most definitely two kinds of worshiping sanctioned in the Coalition; worship of the Emperor Prosek himself and glorification of the military.

Both of which are encouraged by the propaganda machine. And I don't think Prosek would be against the worshipping of the Christian 'God', given that all the other gods have manifested, the one that hasn't is logically non-existant.

Yeah lets warship an all powerfull D-bee hey I'm in for it. Then there are all his mutant servants... see so he's just the emperor... except the D-bee part. :nh:

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:16 am

Mech-Viper wrote:
Toc Rat wrote:
akira0238 wrote:funny how the angelic figure (battle angel, anyone?) causes a mild teacup tempest, but the cross insignia used for medics which derives from Christian symbology doesn't.

The angelic figure is of course a more obvious religious symbol as the "red cross" has been reduced to a scarlet plus sign.

personally I would think the CS would be very much against Christianity or any other religion that could place its adherents' loyalty somewhere other than the State. (Rome wasn't too thrilled with the early Christians as I recall)

Hmm, a point I forgot. Good Ole Carl wouldn't want any possible source of authority that could challenge his. A pope, priest or other such person would be just such a threat to his power. Not to mention that if his citizens start listening to the bible instead of to him he might have a revolt on his hands.
for all you know the CS could print thier version of the bible

Yeah and the CS being Atheists would print a blank book for their illiterate masses, with a lock with no key. Everyone just thumps it and says "It is so ordaned by The Prosek in the book of Origins."

Jack Daniels · Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:05 pm

Toc Rat wrote:It just wouldnt be the same without all the illogical plot lines and continuity flaw now would it?

No, it wouldn't be the same. But it sure would be nice.

SkyeFyre · Unread post by **SkyeFyre** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:46 pm

I see an angel. Jesus doesn't have wings... This brings up many questions however.

Qev · Unread post by **Qev** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:30 pm

Oh, brilliant! One could undermine the whole Coalition by starting up the Church of Prosek! Since people would be worshipping Emperor Prosek, that immediately makes him a supernatural entity (as he's being worshipped, and nobody worships mortals, come on...), and so his own forces would be obligated to kill him.

Edit: Typo! :oops:

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:55 pm

It's an angel after a Bender at the local Hooters...nothing else special.

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:46 pm

Toc Rat wrote:
AdeptPaladin wrote:
Toc Rat wrote:The Coalition's citizens are supposed to be good little atheists that don't worship gods and/or demons.

Somehow, I doubt that's true.

Doubt all you want, not interested in an argument on this one. What I said isn't an opinion, it's cannon, verifiable by book(s) and page numbers.

Other than that entry on the old Gods & Dragons, I can't think of any definitive things that state one way or the other on CS religious tolerances. However I can think of many entries in the SoT series where letters home form the soliders made mention of God and prayers for blessings. The whole thing is really up in the air, and I doubt Kev will take a solid stance on it any time soon.

As to the Medic Badge, I think I like Klinda's response the best. An Angel of Mercy seems the most logical and poetic way to interpret it. :ok:

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