Chi, N&S Martial Arts , and Rifts...

[Damian Magecraft]

I imagine this has come up before...
but I am too lazy to search for it...
Does any one use N&S in rifts?
and if so how do you handle chi?
do you make it related to PPE?
do you use the conversion books suggestions (original or the the revised for matter)?
I have my own thoughts on this but I am always looking for new ideas...

[Guest]

I don't use the Conversion books whatsoever.

Instead, at request, I created a huge list of changes so N&S would be completely compatible with Rifts. Unfortunately it's too big to post here.

[Damian Magecraft]

any chance they will get posted in your GM net book?

[demos606]

I use Chi exactly as presented in N&S - PE modified by whatever style(s) you may have that increase it. I really do wish China and Japan hadn't gone the routes of converting chi to ISP and PPE, far far too complicated for its own good with no appreciable positive impact on overall playability.

[Damian Magecraft]

well I had noticed that in MC the Chi Magic spells convert Chi to PPE/convert PPE to chi make it a 1 ppe = 6 chi rate my question is are the 2 interchangeable? or is the spell a special exception? I would say no... but it does raise other questions where rifts is concerned...dragon lines are these identical to ley lines? how does the increase in the line activity on rifts earth effect the flow of chi? is chi effected at/near a ley line? a nexus? as all games save N&S uses PPE/ISP in the palladium megaverse these are questions that need to be asked and answered...just saying I use it as listed in N&S doesnt really solve the tough questions a good player is going to come up with...(lord knows if I was N&S MA using PC I would want to know these answers.)

[Damian Magecraft]

I use Chi exactly as presented in N&S - PE modified by whatever style(s) you may have that increase it. I really do wish China and Japan hadn't gone the routes of converting chi to ISP and PPE, far far too complicated for its own good with no appreciable positive impact on overall playability.

Koosy has done a good job translating the Japan and China problems back to chi, though I don't know if he's posted his work yet.

Not that I am aware of as yet...I peruse the the site often enough...usually watching for said conversion...

[Guest]

I use Chi exactly as presented in N&S - PE modified by whatever style(s) you may have that increase it. I really do wish China and Japan hadn't gone the routes of converting chi to ISP and PPE, far far too complicated for its own good with no appreciable positive impact on overall playability.

Koosy has done a good job translating the Japan and China problems back to chi, though I don't know if he's posted his work yet.

Not that I am aware of as yet...I peruse the the site often enough...usually watching for said conversion...

Sounde like we need to give him some rectal combustion then.

Actually, I was waiting for feedback before posting them.

[Damian Magecraft]

so who do we need to pester to give you the feed back?

[drewkitty ~..~]

Does any one use N&S in rifts? yes, no convertion

and if so how do you handle chi? no convertion, unless the being is SN or CoM then the chi is doubled.

do you make it related to PPE? yes 6 chi can be converted to 1PPE via magic. Chi isn't ISP *symbolicly burns RC1&2* ISP isn't PPE *erases the *&(&(* 'replentish PPE' PSI power from all the Books*

do you use the conversion books suggestions (original or the the revised for matter)? If any I use the rifter 3's convertions.

are chi and PPE interchangeable? No

dragon lines are these identical to ley lines? Dragon Lines have Chinese Dragons living on themto feed off the mystic energy, thus moderating the amount of energy in them. (ie: no times of extra PPE, and fewer LLStorms) Other wise thay are the same.

[RoadWarriorFWaNK]

Does any one use N&S in rifts?
and if so how do you handle chi?
do you make it related to PPE?
do you use the conversion books suggestions (original or the the revised for matter)?

I use the conversion rules in the original Rifts Conversion Book. Most of them sort of make sense, and its better than arguing with the GM on what powers do what in Rifts. I also like the conversion notes in Rifter #3 and use them constantly. I use Chi as it is printed in Ninjas & Superspies in Rifts. It fits nicley, and can really come in handy at times (I used Control/Enslave through Negative Chi on a CS Officer to get us out of Newtown at the time of the Juicer Uprisings. To keep him from dying from negative Chi infection, I gave him a Celestial Calligraphy with....I can't remember the spell, but it flushes all Chi out of a person's body. I ordered him to burn the paper 6 hours after we leave.)
When confronted with the question of "why does japan use PPE, why does China use ISP", i came up with a story about how the coming of the rifts made the levels of PPE and ISP energy on the earth shoot through the roof, while "tue" Chi went back to its normal levels shortly during the Dark Ages. The people of Japan and China who relearned all the ancient arts tapped into PPE and ISP because it was more prevalent. Maybe a few here and there know N&SS chi powers, but find that they're really not so great against demons, monsters, power armor, or robots (as I have found in-game). This lets me justify things in-game and keeps people from arguing about how things are "supposed" to be.

[Guest]

Since the Stats do not hcange between any of the systems, we roll things as written, and play them that way.

Say what?

So in regards to all the Martial Arts, it creates a much wider variety. Some using ISP, some using PPE, and some using Chi. They all work just fine as is, so we have really had no reason to ocnvert them for our RIFTS games.

*Gag* Yeah, they work so fine people have already been complaining about the incoherency of the rules and asked for a fix.

[Guest]

People need to be more flexible.

Palladium needs better editors.

[Damian Magecraft]

well I have decided to use a combination of Kuseru's "fixes" and my original conversions.

[Guest]

[SNI]

Dragon lines and Leylines are not the same thing, but are frequently found in the same areas, so much so that they have become interchangable linguisticly. It is possible to have the two not in the same spot or following the same track. Also it is worth noting that dragon lines are said to be underground, whereas leylines are usually above ground as dragon lines seem to be by my reading tied to the flow of underground streams and springs in many cases. I use a rule of thumb that 75% of leylines will also have a dragon line running in parellel to it or near it for better then 60% of its' length usually about 30-60 feet below it.

Are there Chi nexi? Yes, and the rules parellel the ones for PPE based ones.

Hope this helps, but your mileage may vary.

Don't forget that straight Dragon Lines = bad (what EW likes to call "Sha Chi").

[Sentinel]

I imagine this has come up before...
but I am too lazy to search for it...
Does any one use N&S in rifts?
Yes, all the time. Not every character has access to the Oriental arts, but many characters do in my campaign.and if so how do you handle chi?
Base Chi is equal to P.E.: X2 for psychics and mages, X3 for Creatures of Magic. do you make it related to PPE?
Not at all. P.P.E and Chi have nothing to do with each other.do you use the conversion books suggestions (original or the the revised for matter)?
Very little. Since I don't use MD for anything, there was little need to use the Conversion Book specifically for that.I have my own thoughts on this but I am always looking for new ideas...