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Re: DriveThrou RPG

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:34 am
by Tiree
Again MMM - if PB wants my money* - Produce E-Books

You are very lucky to not have an issue with the Snob Factor. I am not sure if you ever heard of the dark days of RPG's. Where folks were murdered, and they contributed it to D&D. I still remember hearing on the radio that some kid had murdered his family 10 years earlier because of the "Beserker" and the "Beserker" made him do it. It happened to be his character in D&D.

I'm sorry - he killed his whole family. There has to be another explanation. But the mentality that RPG's are dangerous was still prevalent into the early 2000's. It isn't till recently and the influx of RPG Video Games that it's become more common place. But even then, when you crack open an RPG book and it has a scantily clad person in it. You betchya that I'm going to be a bit gun shy in letting someone peer over my shoulder. Sexual Harassment is rampant all over the place.

Your lucky - enjoy that factor. What works for you, does not work for everyone. Especially me.

So to paraphrase Rod Tidwell "Show me the PDF's!"

*That is if they want it on a regular basis of me purchasing all their books. Otherwise I may or may not purchase a book that I want

Re: DriveThrou RPG

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:39 pm
by Lukterran
Sureshot wrote:Total agreement with Tiree.

I also wish people would stop with "if it works for me it has to work for everyone else" routine. I used to lug all my PB around whenever I could when I was younger. That and overdoing weights nearly threw my back out. It's all good to say that one likes carrying books. I like to see pepole carry 20-30 books in one shot. Then come back and tell me it's easy to do. It's also a matter of space. I'm running out of space to store all my books of various kinds. My apartment can only take so much. Having both PDF and print format of PB inventory is not a bad thing. It allows access to PDf titles for those who legally want them. Makes more money for PB. It's a win-win situation. Before anyone tries the piracy argument. PB have and will be pirated. Whether they publish PDF copies or not. So really at this point it's not even a effect counter-argument against Pdfs imo. That ship has not only sailed. It grew warp engines and went into deep space. I will say this at least price wise PB Pdfs are decently priced. Compared to some in the hobby that try and charge the same that the print version costs.


No kidding....you can find every book available in a torrent or some other source that is pirated.

I'm just looking to get a legal copy and see that PB gets paid for their work. So that they can continue to make the products that I love. Palladium please just sell electronic versions of your books and stop living in the Stone Age.

Re: DriveThrou RPG

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:33 pm
by Josh Hilden
I don't understand why anyone would advocate ONLY paperback or ONLY eBooks.

Re: DriveThrou RPG

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:07 pm
by Myrrhibis
Lukterran wrote:
Sureshot wrote:Total agreement with Tiree.

I also wish people would stop with "if it works for me it has to work for everyone else" routine. I used to lug all my PB around whenever I could when I was younger. That and overdoing weights nearly threw my back out. It's all good to say that one likes carrying books. I like to see pepole carry 20-30 books in one shot. Then come back and tell me it's easy to do. It's also a matter of space. I'm running out of space to store all my books of various kinds. My apartment can only take so much. Having both PDF and print format of PB inventory is not a bad thing. It allows access to PDf titles for those who legally want them. Makes more money for PB. It's a win-win situation. Before anyone tries the piracy argument. PB have and will be pirated. Whether they publish PDF copies or not. So really at this point it's not even a effect counter-argument against Pdfs imo. That ship has not only sailed. It grew warp engines and went into deep space. I will say this at least price wise PB Pdfs are decently priced. Compared to some in the hobby that try and charge the same that the print version costs.


No kidding....you can find every book available in a torrent or some other source that is pirated.

I'm just looking to get a legal copy and see that PB gets paid for their work. So that they can continue to make the products that I love. Palladium please just sell electronic versions of your books and stop living in the Stone Age.


As I've said before - I have 3 players, plus my GM, that have 90% pirate/illegal PDFs of PB products, mostly the RIFTS line. I have 2 books, and the only reason I even have that is desperation: I *love* the Atlantis book & my 1st ed is dog-eared & sorry. I have a new copy from GrabBag 2012? And huzzah! But that's for those players who occasionally need to look at it - not my repeated use. The other is the original RMB or RUE (I've used it once).
I would happily buy gradual replacement of my books in a PDF or ePUB format, pricing close to hard copy. I have 1 book case that I have brimming over w/ PB products, dice, a few WotC books & some gaming aids. *I have no more room for gaming books*
I'm 41, been playing since 88 or 89 (TMNT & RIFTS 1st ed). I keep moving for various reasons, and paper-books are HEAVY MoFos. If I can both save space & save my back whether weekly or the not-quite-annual moving, awesome!!

But the books are out there. They aren't going anywhere. The question is: Will Palladium Books *ADAPT* to the needs of their *aging* current fans and the requirements of their potential *NEW* fans? Games Workshop dragged their feet to put any of their codexes in electronic format. Once they did, they chose iBooks only. Every time a new book for Warhammer Fantasy came out, or a painting/scenery book, I would call up GW US & let them know that they lost my money b/c I don't have an iPad. I have an Android, and would happily give my $.
They are working on the End-Times story/army line, and what do you know? The books are available as EPUBs, for at least half-off the hard copy price. Much easier to find something via keyword on a tablet when there is a rules question/challenge than flipping through a book - one which you have to deface by highlighting or margin-notating to ease said searches. Many of the older books that I know were originally iBook-only, are now available as EPUB & some as MOBI (which may be iBook format).