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Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:32 am
by FreelancerMar
Ever notice that in the 1st edition books that the EBSIS is without fail Led by the Soviets????. The Soviets alone would be able to resist being gobled up by the UEG because they are still very much a Nuclear power. at least they were when the 1e books were written.
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:08 am
by Comrade Corsarius
Seto Kaiba wrote:When was it ever in doubt? As a point of reference, the UEG wasn't inaugurated until 2005 in Robotech, so the United Nations hadn't yet been dissolved/disbanded and replaced with the United Earth Government. I'd hesitate to call it a continuation of the UN, as it's a rather dramatically different organization. It would, however, appear that the UEG was the result of a similar arrangement to the Unity Government in the original Macross (which was probably intentional, as it saves Tommy a lot of time), in that its organization was the end result of a plan framed by the United Nations and took over governance after the UN's dissolution.
Obviously, the "UN Spacy" markings on the mecha of the Macross Saga are simply a slight plot hole that Robotech just has to live with...
I tend to agree.
In the TV show, Rick (I believe) actually exclaims at one point "The UN failed, just like the League of Nations before it!", indicating that the UN was long gone by that point.
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:02 pm
by ESalter
dataweaver wrote:...Mars Base was wiped out by a Zentreadi advance scout in 2003. The Invasion comic has the details.
I was writing from a "Purist" standpoint.
Comrade Corsarius wrote:In the TV show, Rick (I believe) actually exclaims at one point "The UN failed, just like the League of Nations before it!", indicating that the UN was long gone by that point.
It was someone else; Rick was arguing for Earthlings' peaceful nature.
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:45 am
by Seto Kaiba
ESalter wrote:Earth's forces are often called the "United Earth Forces" or something similar; AFAIK, "United Nations Forces" is never used. This suggests to me the single use of "U.N. SPACY" should be ignored.
Oh, I concur wholeheartedly... especially since the book never uses "United Nations" in the context of "UN Spacy". It's simply a legacy of the OSM that somehow escaped the tracing artists working on the book. Even with Tommy looking over Palladium's shoulder, there's no shortage of internal inconsistencies (like the above). Heck, I can point to a few things the book has that aren't even from
Robotech... like the cockpit art from page 56, or the "Multiple Launch Ordinance Pod" described on pages 68-69.
ESalter wrote:I was writing from a "Purist" standpoint.
The so-called "purist" standpoint, which these days is essentially synonymous with Tommy's official new canon position, would include the new comics.
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:44 am
by Jefffar
I think that in the new RPG we don't have to nerf the EBSIS quite so much. Definitely they would have different systems, but there seems little to indicate independents are necessarily technologically inferior by a fair margin.
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:23 pm
by Jefffar
Variable MiG-21 might look like
this.
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:05 pm
by glitterboy2098
Jefffar wrote:Variable MiG-21 might look like
this.
nah... like this:
fighter,
mecha(from C&C:RA3)
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:47 pm
by Jefffar
There was a
Harrier VF variant at one point IIRC.
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:43 pm
by SRoss
I can see the EBSIS in the Macross period, but by the Southern Cross era, I can't help but think Leonard would have found some excuse to have the ASC take-over. He doesn't strike me as the sort to tolerate the existence of a competing world power.
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:30 pm
by Jefffar
The new books indicate the UEG managed to make peace with those powers the ASC didn't defeat. Which column an EBSIS like entity would fall into is debatable, but at least the possibility of survival is there.
Re: EBSIS.... still around?
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:27 pm
by Beatmeclever
Jefffar wrote:There was a
Harrier VF variant at one point IIRC.
What about
this.
