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Karsus wrote:Well I am very glad this is getting back in print.

I must have missed that press release.

LostOne wrote:

Karsus wrote:Well I am very glad this is getting back in print.

I must have missed that press release.

Just to clarify, I think he may have been referring to the new material. As far as I know SoL is NOT coming back into print any time soon.

any word of this new book?

Aten didn't write it, so it won't be in crayon.

Dave the dragon wrote:any word of this new book?

What do you want to know? Other than the fact it is mentioned again in the latest press release as slated for this year.

Citizen Lazlo wrote:we can all hope

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/press/press2009-01b.html

Well, we're one step closer. It's time to put your money where your mouth is, folks. Pre-order your copy of the Nightbane Survival Guide now! Show Kev and company that you want more Nightbane!

maybe a new and sticky thread for the Nightbane Survival Guide would be better than filling pages in this one, which is supposed to be about SoL.

Karsus wrote:I am pre ordering to check it out. I really hope this game picks back up...

Thanks for the vote of confidence. If my colleagues and I have anything to say about it, there will be at least semi-regular support for this line for the forseeable future (I'm already working on another book).

Karsus wrote:SoL for $2!!

I hate you...I mean, congratulations!

Karsus wrote:He replied "Palladium books almost never sell, I will be lucky to get anything for the rest of those."

All that means is that there isn't a Palladium fan population in your area. Palladium was the biggest seller where I grew up, mostly because half the gamer population were friends of mine and we only played Palladium at that point in time. If there is a Palladium group or two in the area, it'll sell much better. Otherwise the only Palladium sales are likely to people looking for a new game to try or that were just browsing and liked the artwork or something.

Karsus wrote:Ya, what they NEED to do is start... erm UP their advertising. I have been playing palladium games since 1991 and now that I think about it. I have never in my life seen an add for a palladium book. Except in other palladium books...

Comic books. Dragon in the TSR days.

Mark Hall wrote:

Karsus wrote:Ya, what they NEED to do is start... erm UP their advertising. I have been playing palladium games since 1991 and now that I think about it. I have never in my life seen an add for a palladium book. Except in other palladium books...

Comic books. Dragon in the TSR days.

Wow, that coincides with his 1991 date too.

Kankuri wrote:I could have sworn I heard speculation that much of the text from Shadows of Light was copied from old Blade comics and Anne Rice books.

I'll have to check out my cousin's copy next time I go to his house.

Check on that, i don't remember ever hearing that and my perusals of the book didn't bear that out either. Admittedly, I don't read Blade nor have I read Ann Rice in years.

Let us know what you come up with. I found the material original enough, it was the prevalence and flavor of the Anthatos I wasn't into.

Karsus wrote:

Misfit KotLD wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:

Karsus wrote:Ya, what they NEED to do is start... erm UP their advertising. I have been playing palladium games since 1991 and now that I think about it. I have never in my life seen an add for a palladium book. Except in other palladium books...

Comic books. Dragon in the TSR days.

Wow, that coincides with his 1991 date too.

hehe wow. 18 years. ONE other source... lol

One? Dragon magazine and comic books constitute one source?

Kankuri wrote:Its one of the reasons my cousin doesn't look at it anymore. He keeps the copy because its "never going to be printed again." I happen to be a huge Anne Rice fan, and I have read around 60% of the Blade comics printed(and it's variants), so we'll see.

I am a HUGE Nightbane fan, so something like this could make me a little sad =(

I don't know anything in Blade or in any of the Rice books I've read through the years that really would fit with that. The standard NB vamps don't fit in either genre really, the new ones in SoL don't. The new psi-classes may be similar to something in a Blade comic, but I don't know of anything that would be just like them, and I don't know of anything in either book that really fits with the Athanatos.


Daniel Stoker

Kankuri wrote:I could have sworn I heard speculation that much of the text from Shadows of Light was copied from old Blade comics and Anne Rice books.

aww, c'mon on.

For those who missed it the book is available again as a PDF from DriveThruRPG.

Nightbane World Book 4: Shadows of Light

Cool, now I can buy my GM a copy of the book and go over a character I want to play again.

I'd be careful with that site they are selling arms of nagash-tor. Which is a free download from this site. You can get it in the cutting room floor.

Avatara wrote:I'd be careful with that site they are selling arms of nagash-tor. Which is a free download from this site. You can get it in the cutting room floor.

Uhm... not any more. Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.

Didn't know that. But I checked and you are right. I just lost a little respect for Palladium.

Warwolf wrote:Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.

not a nice move!

Vidynn wrote:

Warwolf wrote:Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.

not a nice move!

Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.

I've had the pdf for so long that the first printout of it I made had yellowed from age.

I want you to remember that if they ever make Internet explorer,mozzila,etc cost money to use on top of the Internet service itself.

Xar wrote:Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.

well, I downloaded it YEARS ago. but what about new fans of Palladium Fantasy (oh, okay, I guess it's kinda hard to be a new fan of a system that gets neglected the way PF is)?? I think it's unfair to take that free scenario away from them. not to mention people who want to re-download it (after data-loss) and always felt secure about it being on the website. at least it should have been announced ("last chance to get it").

also, what happened to the announcement of "more stuff" being put on the Cutting Room Floor? now there is even less...

Ninjabunny wrote:

Xar wrote:

Vidynn wrote:

Warwolf wrote:Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.

not a nice move!

Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.

I've had the pdf for so long that the first printout of it I made had yellowed from age.

Never even knew it was there, and that's really not cool to charge for what was free before. If I knew about it I'd downloaded but I'm not going to pay for it now.

It's worth the money that they're charging for it...even if they gave it away before.

Had SoL since release. Just read it. Liked it. GW!

I'mma find out.

Ninjabunny wrote:

Xar wrote:

Vidynn wrote:

Warwolf wrote:Since they started selling the PDF, they pulled it from the CRF.

not a nice move!

Oh, come on! It was on the site for free for years. Years! If you didn't want it enough to download it when it was free, you just didn't want it, and it shouldn't matter to you if they are now charging for it or not.

I've had the pdf for so long that the first printout of it I made had yellowed from age.

Never even knew it was there, and that's really not cool to charge for what was free before. If I knew about it I'd downloaded but I'm not going to pay for it now.

Well, kids. Capitalism my not be cool, but it is the way the world has worked since cavemen traded pretty rocks and shells. Last I checked, every country is at least marginally captialist these days (reformations in Cuba and China pretty much made socialism in capitalism light)

Back in the day, nobody ever paid for files off the internet, but times have changed, and electronic data has a determinable value.

And before any of you quote hacker credos- I've probably been using computers and the internet longer than you, and information has never been free. Instead of it taking hours of your day searching the ancient systems to find a free download, its a 5 second search engine and a credit card number. Assuming you make minimum wage, it's still better today. Least I think so.

Oddly, in the save PB section of the forums, they deny that SoL was ever canceled. Its just "on hold until conditions improve"

Dave the dragon wrote:Oddly, in the save PB section of the forums, they deny that SoL was ever canceled. Its just "on hold until conditions improve"

How old is that post?

Shawn Merrow wrote:

Dave the dragon wrote:Oddly, in the save PB section of the forums, they deny that SoL was ever canceled. Its just "on hold until conditions improve"

How old is that post?

well, my latest ban ended 2 weeks ago, so.....

Dave the dragon wrote:

Shawn Merrow wrote:

Dave the dragon wrote:Oddly, in the save PB section of the forums, they deny that SoL was ever canceled. Its just "on hold until conditions improve"

How old is that post?

well, my latest ban ended 2 weeks ago, so.....

Sure you got the correct section? A search of "Help Save Palladium Books!" using "Shadows of Light" only gets four hits and none have anything to do with it not being canceled. I tried "SoL" but that finds no matches.

It was in both "is PDF possible" and "why" threads, both in the Save PB section.

Dave the dragon wrote:It was in both "is PDF possible" and "why" threads, both in the Save PB section.

Checked both threads again in "is PDF possible" could only find your post about Shadows of Light and in "why" could find no post mentioning the book at all. I'm a little tired so that may be why I'm missing the posts you are talking about. Could you be more specific with the name of the poster or even better a direct link to the post (ever post has a pic on it that gives you the url for that post).

Most of the officially out-of-print and "dead" items (no longer supported with no intention of bringing back) already are available at http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com but the prices are what you'd expect to pay for an actual game PDF, not an out-dated dead book (about $10 per PDF, some of the smaller ones as low as $5)

Sadly, its of poorer quality than most pirated material in the ether, and the pirated material usually includes many OOP items (like all the original RT and Macross books) that Palladium either cant or wont (varies with title and licensing) sell on DT

Indeed, SoL is the only book I cannot find available outside of the DT site, which, as I mentioned, did rather poor PDF copies of PB product.

AlexanderD wrote:what format is the pdfs? are they available in adobe reader pdf format?

The "Format" of the PDFs has nothing to do with which readers can vuew the file, when we refer to PDF we refer to things such as OEF (Original Electronic File, or the type of quality sent to a printer for producing the books), OCR (Optical Character Recognition, basically a scan that has the text selectable for searching, copy/pasting etc.) and Raw Scans (what you get directly from a scanner, basically the same as taking a picture of the page and plugging them all into a file), unfortunately the books available on DTRPG are all Raw Scans.

Jedrious wrote:

AlexanderD wrote:what format is the pdfs? are they available in adobe reader pdf format?

The "Format" of the PDFs has nothing to do with which readers can vuew the file, when we refer to PDF we refer to things such as OEF (Original Electronic File, or the type of quality sent to a printer for producing the books), OCR (Optical Character Recognition, basically a scan that has the text selectable for searching, copy/pasting etc.) and Raw Scans (what you get directly from a scanner, basically the same as taking a picture of the page and plugging them all into a file), unfortunately the books available on DTRPG are all Raw Scans.

I can't stand reading stuff off pdf's. I'm a big bathroom reader like most men.

Back in the day...I actually had the book in my hand but didn't buy it....wish I did now, cuz i'm an obsessed idiot when it come to collection completeness.

From what I remember I was turned off by the Athanatos/super angel aspect so I passed on the purchase at that time.

Regrets...

MurderCityDisciple wrote:I can't stand reading stuff off pdf's. I'm a big bathroom reader like most men.

Actually some of the new e-readers should be able to handle PDFs pretty smoothly. Wave of the future...

LostOne wrote:

MurderCityDisciple wrote:I can't stand reading stuff off pdf's. I'm a big bathroom reader like most men.

Actually some of the new e-readers should be able to handle PDFs pretty smoothly. Wave of the future...

Yeah but can the poor e-reader handle the bathroom trauma?

Hehe...smoothly...hehe...

Hey guys! Love the game (and got a demo planned for a RPG Con in town this fall) Nightbanes is one of the cooler settings that all my players to date have enjoyed, and actually SoL wasn't that bad since it had a ton of tidbits and ideas in it, one thing that might explain the pulling of the book from the Verse' is the Athanatos and the eerie similaritys to a group of 'Demon's or 'Fallen' angels, especial the way they could manifest a set number of powers (hmmm I think in both books it was three) without taking full form. Pleas don't burn my post or log in since I am a long time GM n player I'm just tossing my night lords style conspiracy out there and wondering what you all think?

BTW any other fans goin to RinCon in Tucson this year?


Jim

The Traveler wrote:one thing that might explain the pulling of the book from the Verse' is the Athanatos and the eerie similaritys to a group of 'Demon's or 'Fallen' angels, especial the way they could manifest a set number of powers (hmmm I think in both books it was three) without taking full form.

I have no clue what other title you're referring to so can't weigh in on this. I guess the previous impression I got was that it didn't fit so well with the overall Nightbane theme. But that might just be an obscure reason given to avoid mentioning what you're saying. Although I thought they were more forthcoming over events that forced them to change the game name to Nightbane.

Personally, I liked the Project Pandora parts of SoL, I think the Athanatos parts would have been better served if they had been the result of a latent Nightbane being subjected to Psychotrol as oppossed to being 'angels.' One of the big taboos in the RPG industry are the Abrahamic religions, and SoL took that taboo for a wife with the Athanatos.

I have the Book,das any One want to Bye it.

Just so Kevin can known book is new sell for over 100 dollars on amazon and ever other online retailer reprinted is need badly.

darkguyver wrote:Just so Kevin can known book is new sell for over 100 dollars on amazon and ever other online retailer reprinted is need badly.

Just posting to amplify that it still sells for well over $50 so a small print run might do go. Also, even though we got a new book a few years back nothing is in the pipeline so a reprint could pimp the line.

On a separate topic could the copy on DTRPG be added to their POD system?

Jedrious wrote:I think the Athanatos parts would have been better served if they had been the result of a latent Nightbane being subjected to Psychotrol
as oppossed to being 'angels.'

This is still an option, the Athanatos "origin story" is merely the legend they tell, not necessarily the truth.

Jedrious wrote:One of the big taboos in the RPG industry are the Abrahamic religions, and SoL took that taboo for a wife with the Athanatos.

The Athanatos aren't linked to Abrahamic trilogy far as I know, they're just Spirits of Light (introduced in PRPG) possessing babies.

A used copy is $120 on Amazon as of yesterday. Is it still available on PDF, for how much and where do I go to get it?

On DriveThruRPG for $11.49

Nightbane World Book 4: Shadows of Light

Shawn Merrow wrote:On DriveThruRPG for $11.49

Nightbane World Book 4: Shadows of Light

Good to know.

Update: I just signed up on there and got it.