So what American remnants still exist on Rifts Earth?

[Mack]

Not quite. That statement is not one of fact. It was a verbal statement from Archie to Hagan,
and Archie lies to Hagan all the time.

The troops actual effectiveness is not canon, and is left entirely to the GM.

Considering that Aftermath stated, that Archie is thee foremost authoraty of Coalition military
tactic's and capabilities, Archie saying that, could actually be taken as a fact.

No, it can not be taken as fact. Archie lies to Hagan. This was a statement from Archie to Hagan. The statement is automatically unreliable.

It contains no more 'facts' than Emperor Prosek's speech in CWC.

[Cyber-Knight]

So why would he lie to Hagan in this case? Why would he exaggerate their effectiveness to Hagan? What does he get out of that?

[Mech-Viper Prime]

how it might play out different
the containment earth plans
count freedom station out.

Possibly, but Freedom Station has some serious problems up in space with the Arkhons. They could use some help in that fight, and familiar faces and people might be enough to convince them to make an exception to that policy and accept some help and provide help in return. Particularly if that help is in the form of placing satellites and providing the schematics for weaponry like the Glitter Boy 4.

megaversal legion
sights the needless death of innocent civilians that will die because this and options out of it

So you think the Megaversal Legion would have no interest whatsoever in reclaiming their homeland? In allowing a fascist xenophobic police state to continue to run roughshod over North America? Of all these elements they're the ones who know best how wrong CS policies are in that regard, given that they've got a large non-human contingent among them which they work well with. And I never said they had to go to war with the Coalition. They could found their own nation on the east coast and grow from there and leave the Coalition alone. If the Coalition becomes a threat they could enact the Republican plan of assassinating their leadership and taking over themselves, which would spare the civilian populace a protracted conflict. Either way, they'd realize that the Coalition is something that either needs to be checked or stopped, as it's responsible for large amounts of deaths, both human and non-human. Taking a stand against it preserves life in the long run.

The New Navy
they explain they have a full plate with dealing with the water borne threats and start a war with another human nation , isnt one they want to add the their plate and ships away

You're not a particularly logical person. You see people like the New Navy and NEMA, who share the same exact ideals and come from the same world, and think it makes perfect sense that they'd dislike each other and want to have nothing to do with each other, all the while thinking that it makes perfect sense for NEMA and the Coalition, who're completely antithetical to each other philosophically, would become "best buds." If NEMA resurfaced the New Navy isn't just going to sail away and abandon them. They were willing to stop and help out the NGR in their war. Hope much more, then, would they put on the line for NEMA and fellow brothers-in-arms like the Megaversal Legion?

The Squilbs
start noticing while their legends spoke of great heroes , this is something great heroes dont do.

Great heroes don't fight against xenophobic police states which have probably launched genocidal pogroms against the Squilb's? Great heroes don't work to create nations founded on the idea of freedoms, rights, and civil liberties?

NEMA ice cube army, starts melting ...... what a world what a world

At this point are you even trying?

Emmel starts notice the director is worse then Prosek and puts a bullet in the director's head, he calls off the attack and start a winning the hearts and minds campaign against the CS.

That's certainly an option. You're the one assuming a war is absolutely necessary. A New America could serve as a counterpoint to the CS, that there's a better way without resorting to totalitarianism. It could serve as a place that could attract former Coalition members like Larsen.

Familiar faces? You kidding right who is Emmel going to know up there? Only answer the nema will get is the static on the radio. Containment of earth means nothing goes in or comes out of that planet. As soon as a human notices Archie is borrowing a satellite , odds are it will get shut down, and access code will be removed.

The legion have there stuff to do, And leveling a fellow human kingdom isn't one of them.

New navy are the boy scouts of the sea helping everybody including the coalition.

The raisin heads, still have to make contact

[Mack]

So why would he lie to Hagan in this case? Why would he exaggerate their effectiveness to Hagan? What does he get out of that?

He's a meglomanic, insane, psychic, machine entity who manipulates people.

[Cyber-Knight]

Familiar faces? You kidding right who is Emmel going to know up there? Only answer the nema will get is the static on the radio. Containment of earth means nothing goes in or comes out of that planet. As soon as a human notices Archie is borrowing a satellite , odds are it will get shut down, and access code will be removed.

Familiar as in a fellow countryman, someone who you can expect would be on your side, not people who personally know each other.

The legion have there stuff to do, And leveling a fellow human kingdom isn't one of them.

Nope, but rebuilding their homeland IS something they'd be glad to do. As the books state, the Megaversal Legion would join the New Navy once they found out about them. They'd pick up stakes and go, so obviously those national ties are very important to them. You really think they wouldn't team up with their fellow countrymen to rebuild their country if they had the opportunity? That they wouldn't take part in a Second American Revolution? The idea that they wouldn't is ludicrous. They certainly wouldn't have any love lost for the Coalition, who would murder their Ojahee and Men-Rall friends if given half a chance.

New navy are the boy scouts of the sea helping everybody including the coalition.

Here's the choice: Totalitarian Fascist Police State Vs. Nation with Freedom, Liberty, and Civil Rights. You sincerely don't think that, if given the chance, the New Navy wouldn't side with the latter over the former? And again you're completely over exaggerating your position. Nobody's talking about leveling the Coalition, nuking it, or anything of the sort. But there's no good reason why the New Navy wouldn't help NEMA or anyone else rebuild the United States, particularly given that that's almost the exact same society which they built in their own refuge's.

The raisin heads, still have to make contact

Of course they haven't made contact. The NEMA Army is in stasis. Once NEMA becomes a public force they will, and when they do they'll likely sign up by the thousands.

[Cyber-Knight]

So why would he lie to Hagan in this case? Why would he exaggerate their effectiveness to Hagan? What does he get out of that?

He's a meglomanic, insane, psychic, machine entity who manipulates people.

He manipulates people to an end. What end would exaggerating NEMA's capabilities serve for ARCHIE? How does he benefit from that?

[Mack]

So why would he lie to Hagan in this case? Why would he exaggerate their effectiveness to Hagan? What does he get out of that?

He's a meglomanic, insane, psychic, machine entity who manipulates people.

He manipulates people to an end. What end would exaggerating NEMA's capabilities serve for ARCHIE? How does he benefit from that?

You'll have to ask him. I didn't claim to be inside his mind. I simply showed his statement is unreliable.

[Cyber-Knight]

Well, suffice to say I disagree with your interpretation, because ARCHIE-3 has nothing at all to gain from lying to Hagan about their capabilities.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

So why would he lie to Hagan in this case? Why would he exaggerate their effectiveness to Hagan? What does he get out of that?

Archie doesn't tell hagan a lot of things.

[Cyber-Knight]

Not telling someone a lot of things isn't the same as inverting the truth. ARCHIE told Hagan that the NEMA Army is powerful enough to breach the walls of Chi-Town. Why would ARCHIE purposefully mislead Hagan? What does he stand to gain from that? Why does he need to misrepresent their power to Hagan?

[Mack]

Well, suffice to say I disagree with your interpretation, because ARCHIE-3 has nothing at all to gain from lying to Hagan about their capabilities.

You're misinterpreting my comment.

I didn't say he was definitively lying. Neither am I saying he's defnitively telling the truth. I am saying, giving his admitted history of lying, we can't know if he was lying or not. Thus the statement is unreliable.

The truth of his statement is up to the GM.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Familiar faces? You kidding right who is Emmel going to know up there? Only answer the nema will get is the static on the radio. Containment of earth means nothing goes in or comes out of that planet. As soon as a human notices Archie is borrowing a satellite , odds are it will get shut down, and access code will be removed.

Familiar as in a fellow countryman, someone who you can expect would be on your side, not people who personally know each other.

The legion have there stuff to do, And leveling a fellow human kingdom isn't one of them.

Nope, but rebuilding their homeland IS something they'd be glad to do. As the books state, the Megaversal Legion would join the New Navy once they found out about them. They'd pick up stakes and go, so obviously those national ties are very important to them. You really think they wouldn't team up with their fellow countrymen to rebuild their country if they had the opportunity? That they wouldn't take part in a Second American Revolution? The idea that they wouldn't is ludicrous. They certainly wouldn't have any love lost for the Coalition, who would murder their Ojahee and Men-Rall friends if given half a chance.

New navy are the boy scouts of the sea helping everybody including the coalition.

Here's the choice: Totalitarian Fascist Police State Vs. Nation with Freedom, Liberty, and Civil Rights. You sincerely don't think that, if given the chance, the New Navy wouldn't side with the latter over the former? And again you're completely over exaggerating your position. Nobody's talking about leveling the Coalition, nuking it, or anything of the sort. But there's no good reason why the New Navy wouldn't help NEMA or anyone else rebuild the United States, particularly given that that's almost the exact same society which they built in their own refuge's.

The raisin heads, still have to make contact

Of course they haven't made contact. The NEMA Army is in stasis. Once NEMA becomes a public force they will, and when they do they'll likely sign up by the thousands.

You just got to convince the freedom, equal rights also includes the non-human too, which afew in your grand republic don't share the same views on.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Not telling someone a lot of things isn't the same as inverting the truth. ARCHIE told Hagan that the NEMA Army is powerful enough to breach the walls of Chi-Town. Why would ARCHIE purposefully mislead Hagan? What does he stand to gain from that? Why does he need to misrepresent their power to Hagan?

Don't know what the brave little toaster is thinking.

[Cyber-Knight]

Well, the argument I'm making is that the likelihood that he's telling the truth is far greater than the chance that he's lying. As I've asked, what reasons would he have to lie to Hagan about the NEMA army? What does he gain from misrepresentation? ARCHIE never told Hagan about the NEMA army, true, but that's because until then he didn't think that they'd be a factor. It wasn't until he realized that the Republicans were hacking him that he considered the possibility that the NEMA army awakening might be a very real threat. So why would he overestimate that threat to Hagan?

You just got to convince the freedom, equal rights also includes the non-human too, which afew in your grand republic don't share the same views on.

That's where good stories come from. And I think it's very possible.

1) The Megaversal Legion: They work with non-humans all the time. The idea of working with D-Bee's would present no problem with them. And given the amount of power they represent, there's no way the Republicans or anyone is going to turn them away because of their non-human element. "300,000 soldiers, wildly advanced technology, genius weapon developers? Yeah, sorry guys, not interested."

2) The New Navy: It'd be a harder sale for them, but not by much. Remember, their leadership is primarily composed of a group of humans who were transformed by energy from the Rifts into supernatural beings, and the people for the most part have been able to accept them. In addition, they've worked alongside the NGR, which accepts non-humans, albeit as second-class citizens, and their alliance was helped out by a non-human adventuring band in the battle against the Gargoyles. Not to mention that one of the original Sea Titans is currently adventuring with a True Atlantean and who knows what else. So they'd likely be open to the idea of allying with D-Bee's.

3) The Republicans: Their views are far more harsh on the idea of non-humans than either, but nowhere near as harsh as the Coalition's views. The Republicans wouldn't endorse genocide against D-Bee's as the Coalition does, although they'd be in favor of their being second-class citizens at best. But still, that's a marked improvement over the Coalition.

4) NEMA: That's a toss-up, but remember, other elements of NEMA have worked with the Squilbs in the past. If Emmel and his men share a similar temperament, then they may be willing to accept non-humans.

In any event, they have FAR more in common then that which divides them. And working with the Ojahee, the Men-Rall, and the Squilb would go a long way towards convincing the more moderate elements of the Republicans and NEMA that working alongside non-humans can work.

Don't know what the brave little toaster is thinking.

We don't know what he's thinking, but we do know what he's saying. And barring evidence to the contrary we have no reason to believe that what he's saying isn't true.

[Nether]

Btw, NEMA is NOT the American army, it is the North American Army, which is Canada, USA, and Mexico.
The NEMA forces are dipicted as the Heroes in Chaos. They are professional soldiers that have gone thru some form of genetic improvement which also idealise the higher principles of society, such as freedom, equal rights ext. I see them very similarly akin to how they describe human soldiers in Star Trek DS9. They enjoy the comforts of life but threaten their way of life and they can become very deadly, violent and focused against their enemies. So if you think North American soldiers are overall stand for higher principles then I can only imagine at the golden age they stand for those virtues even more.

They even have OCC´s to learn all they can about magic, and work WITH any zone mages that will help them understand what is going on. The Chaos Magic book on pg 19? i think says how they have a positive image of blue mages.

There is just no way these people would work with the CS as they stand for many things they stand against, let alone consider working with them. There are plenty of more viable options out there as many have mentioned, firstly NN, Archie if they con some to a agreement (as i suspect thats what it would need to be) and even Lazlo. Ya Lazlo is run by a Dragon, i am sure that would make them take a second look to make sure they are seeing things right, but it isnt like NEMA hasnt been digging up every little tid bit of info on myth and legend sinse all of this started happening.

I suspect some dbee's NEMA would consider more benevolent types that have come to also fight the dark forces, and this line of thinking would fit that not all dbee's they are encountering are evil.

And lastly, just because they dont always have it very harsh, doesnt mean they are not dedicated soldiers that can rough it and tough it with the hardest of them. They are not little school girls who didnt get a pony and cry, I see them as protecting / enforcing thier values even in the face of dire peril to ones self.

911 showed people come togather and stand brave, and this is on a global scale of life and death. I like to believe that they are the heroes described in the first paragraph.


@Mech, Based on many of your responses in this thread and about anything that could have anything to do with the CS, your responses come across to me as so bias and illogical in this regard. You will say just about anything to defend your favorite faction regardless of how silly it might sound, which is fine, i get you absolutely love the CS and are a loyalist to them, but on the other end I find I can not take anything you say serious if the CS have anything to do with it or compared to it.

[Cyber-Knight]

The entire NEMA organization isn't entirely American, but Emmel's army likely is. That's why I'm not including the Tundra Rangers in this thread, despite the fact that they're also NEMA, because they're Canadian. NEMA soldiers, from what I understand, are primarily based in their homeland, rather than a neighbors. Hence Emmel's men are Americans. As it says in the book, "Many NEMA forces regrouped and headed to Maryland. For one, it was the seat of government and the soldiers rallied to secure their nation's leaders." The book also notes that some of those NEMA forces went to Toronto or Mexico City, so it's likely that the Mexicans and Canadians went home while the Americans went to Maryland.

Aside from that, though, I agree with everything you say, Nether.

[Nether]

I suspect that NEMA runs thing similarly to how the UN does for its troops. They dont station all the forces at their homes, but mix them up to further create positive relationships between the allies involved.

So the stasis group I would think would have a mix of the three nations but heavier on American forces. I also think they would have some para arcane, witch hunters and even the odd blue mage / chaos mage or D-Shifter in that group too.

The fact that NEMA will work with mages already puts them a step ahead for a tech nation, and suggests they are more likely to make allies with those kingdoms that have those elements.

[Cyber-Knight]

I suspect that NEMA runs thing similarly to how the UN does for its troops. They dont station all the forces at their homes, but mix them up to further create positive relationships between the allies involved.

So the stasis group I would think would have a mix of the three nations but heavier on American forces. I also think they would have some para arcane, witch hunters and even the odd blue mage / chaos mage or D-Shifter in that group too.

The fact that NEMA will work with mages already puts them a step ahead for a tech nation, and suggests they are more likely to make allies with those kingdoms that have those elements.

Hmm, that bolded part would be pretty interesting. Another thing I'm interested by is that unnamed original Sea Titan who's traveling alongside an Anti-Monster and a True Atlantean Monster Slayer. Given that it's a Monster Slayer of all things, and he's exploring South America, it may be that that True Atlantean is a member of Clan Skellian, so he may end up taking his Sea Titan friend to Manoa where he'll be exposed to a more magical society as well as Stone Magic. So how's this for a Plot Hook?

Seeing the value of magic and the ability to harness the power of the Rifts, a resurgent America gets assistance from True Atlantean allies among Clan Skellian and others who help them build pyramids at their various Ley Line nexuses within their territory, allowing them to control the Rifts. They then use the Megaversal Legion's interdimensional contacts to form alliances with off-world groups. In exchange for serving as a hub for interdimensional trade and commerce, they form a defense pact to help keep them safe from the Splugorth. This would be particularly helpful if they could ally with someone like the Consortium of Civilized Worlds. You get a major, but benevolent, megaversal power invested in the flow of uninterrupted trade through North America, and they in turn apply political pressure to insure that Splynncryth doesn't interfere with that trade.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

I suspect that NEMA runs thing similarly to how the UN does for its troops. They dont station all the forces at their homes, but mix them up to further create positive relationships between the allies involved.

So the stasis group I would think would have a mix of the three nations but heavier on American forces. I also think they would have some para arcane, witch hunters and even the odd blue mage / chaos mage or D-Shifter in that group too.

The fact that NEMA will work with mages already puts them a step ahead for a tech nation, and suggests they are more likely to make allies with those kingdoms that have those elements.

This highly unlikely but possible

[Nether]

I suspect that NEMA runs thing similarly to how the UN does for its troops. They dont station all the forces at their homes, but mix them up to further create positive relationships between the allies involved.

So the stasis group I would think would have a mix of the three nations but heavier on American forces. I also think they would have some para arcane, witch hunters and even the odd blue mage / chaos mage or D-Shifter in that group too.

The fact that NEMA will work with mages already puts them a step ahead for a tech nation, and suggests they are more likely to make allies with those kingdoms that have those elements.

Hmm, that bolded part would be pretty interesting. Another thing I'm interested by is that unnamed original Sea Titan who's traveling alongside an Anti-Monster and a True Atlantean Monster Slayer. Given that it's a Monster Slayer of all things, and he's exploring South America, it may be that that True Atlantean is a member of Clan Skellian, so he may end up taking his Sea Titan friend to Manoa where he'll be exposed to a more magical society as well as Stone Magic. So how's this for a Plot Hook?

Seeing the value of magic and the ability to harness the power of the Rifts, a resurgent America gets assistance from True Atlantean allies among Clan Skellian and others who help them build pyramids at their various Ley Line nexuses within their territory, allowing them to control the Rifts. They then use the Megaversal Legion's interdimensional contacts to form alliances with off-world groups. In exchange for serving as a hub for interdimensional trade and commerce, they form a defense pact to help keep them safe from the Splugorth. This would be particularly helpful if they could ally with someone like the Consortium of Civilized Worlds. You get a major, but benevolent, megaversal power invested in the flow of uninterrupted trade through North America, and they in turn apply political pressure to insure that Splynncryth doesn't interfere with that trade.

I like the idea of the CCW's light involvement to ensure that Atlantis doesnt get to crazy, especially if NEMA comes out. this would also give some protection to many if not all of the kingdoms on Earth from the Spluggorth/Atlantis. It would also make for a much much much more plausible reason why the Splynn has just used military action to take mass slaves from each kingdom as well as nearly destroy them which has the added benefit of keep any possible rivals to his powerbase weak.

All i see on the forums is how (nation x such as the CS) is immune to anything Atlantis could do because the megaversal powers who ONLY want to keep earth as a free hub which also prevents a mega power from using it to take over most of the dimensional galaxies, that they would somehow interfere to stop any military action. I call Bs on that one, as i have yet to see any plausible reason anywhere to why Atlantis wouldnt be taking mass slaves from these big kingdoms and keeping them weaker as not to get to powerful and eventually ally and become strong enough to one day contest his place on Earth. He might have super mega forces, but he also needs to keep those systems safe and strong from his opponents. (including other spluggort)

Edit: I have already created a while ago a NEMA group on Freedom station that is my rip off of 40k space marines but hey, i love em what can i say. They are all D-shifters which is passed down genetically and i made a character that is a NEMA spec ops type of the Astral Knights. I have made them a paranormal group that moved there during chaos times and would droppod land at hostile zones to do their mission and then call for evac. Freedom station has to constantly fight off the other space stations as they are afraid of such actions opening space to contamination.

I gave them exterminator like armor from Arzno which i love the looks of, combined with thier abilities makes them pretty awesome.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Then again they could have died in cold storage, and Archie just forgot that he killed by accident, or some tech mishap

[Nether]

Then again they could have died in cold storage, and Archie just forgot that he killed by accident, or some tech mishap

I dont see Archie having a tech mishap for something like that as i would think there would be some type of safeties involved in such units, you know so when your macking it with one of the hotty shermanian robots and you in your passion push her against the button on the wall that says éxterminate and expel, it requires something more from you that you have to think about to continue thru.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Then again they could have died in cold storage, and Archie just forgot that he killed by accident, or some tech mishap

I dont see Archie having a tech mishap for something like that as i would think there would be some type of safeties involved in such units, you know so when your macking it with one of the hotty shermanian robots and you in your passion push her against the button on the wall that says éxterminate and expel, it requires something more from you that you have to think about to continue thru.

New and untested 28,000 build by a government contractor, lowest bid I too,
What could possibly go wrong with that?

[Nether]

Then again they could have died in cold storage, and Archie just forgot that he killed by accident, or some tech mishap

I dont see Archie having a tech mishap for something like that as i would think there would be some type of safeties involved in such units, you know so when your macking it with one of the hotty shermanian robots and you in your passion push her against the button on the wall that says éxterminate and expel, it requires something more from you that you have to think about to continue thru.

New and untested 28,000 build by a government contractor, lowest bid I too,
What could possibly go wrong with that?

lol, ya something we see or hear about all to often today is how lowest bidder got it.

That said, i would hope that the last bastion of humanity surviving didnt go to the lowest bidder. On the flip, Archie would be able to make sure they are stable and working fine though, so even if some faults he could prolly fix before anything happened.

[keir451]

I suspect that NEMA runs thing similarly to how the UN does for its troops. They dont station all the forces at their homes, but mix them up to further create positive relationships between the allies involved.

So the stasis group I would think would have a mix of the three nations but heavier on American forces. I also think they would have some para arcane, witch hunters and even the odd blue mage / chaos mage or D-Shifter in that group too.

The fact that NEMA will work with mages already puts them a step ahead for a tech nation, and suggests they are more likely to make allies with those kingdoms that have those elements.

I'm not so sure on the bolded portion, we don't know that the Para-Arcane were common throughout all the NEMA forces, sure they're a valid OCC, but they might have only been in use in the Chicago region by Lt. Gen Sawyer. Now that's not ot say that othere NEMA groups wouldn't come up with the same or similar idea, just that we don't know for CERTAIN that HQ Echo had any Para-Arcane, that and, let's be honest here...HQ Echo came about well AFTER Chaos Earth was printed and there's been no adjustment to Chaos Earth since, much less further info on the NEMA sleepers.

[Nether]

I suspect that NEMA runs thing similarly to how the UN does for its troops. They dont station all the forces at their homes, but mix them up to further create positive relationships between the allies involved.

So the stasis group I would think would have a mix of the three nations but heavier on American forces. I also think they would have some para arcane, witch hunters and even the odd blue mage / chaos mage or D-Shifter in that group too.

The fact that NEMA will work with mages already puts them a step ahead for a tech nation, and suggests they are more likely to make allies with those kingdoms that have those elements.

I'm not so sure on the bolded portion, we don't know that the Para-Arcane were common throughout all the NEMA forces, sure they're a valid OCC, but they might have only been in use in the Chicago region by Lt. Gen Sawyer. Now that's not ot say that othere NEMA groups wouldn't come up with the same or similar idea, just that we don't know for CERTAIN that HQ Echo had any Para-Arcane, that and, let's be honest here...HQ Echo came about well AFTER Chaos Earth was printed and there's been no adjustment to Chaos Earth since, much less further info on the NEMA sleepers.

I kind of look at it as those are the common OCCs of NEMA everywhere, not just to a particular area, and i didnt get anything that suggested it would only be for select parts of NEMA.

As well when you read about NEMA reaction to when magic and monsters first start happening, they quickly start digging for any info on the paranormal, monsters, myths ext, then even go so far as to review video games and rpg's for any possible info that might have some truth to it. I think you would have a few of these guys for every sizable force or HQ as NEMA comes across as fairly intelligent and want to identify weaknesses, and any info on creatures / magic before they start shooting.

[keir451]

I suspect that NEMA runs thing similarly to how the UN does for its troops. They dont station all the forces at their homes, but mix them up to further create positive relationships between the allies involved.

So the stasis group I would think would have a mix of the three nations but heavier on American forces. I also think they would have some para arcane, witch hunters and even the odd blue mage / chaos mage or D-Shifter in that group too.

The fact that NEMA will work with mages already puts them a step ahead for a tech nation, and suggests they are more likely to make allies with those kingdoms that have those elements.

I'm not so sure on the bolded portion, we don't know that the Para-Arcane were common throughout all the NEMA forces, sure they're a valid OCC, but they might have only been in use in the Chicago region by Lt. Gen Sawyer. Now that's not ot say that othere NEMA groups wouldn't come up with the same or similar idea, just that we don't know for CERTAIN that HQ Echo had any Para-Arcane, that and, let's be honest here...HQ Echo came about well AFTER Chaos Earth was printed and there's been no adjustment to Chaos Earth since, much less further info on the NEMA sleepers.

I kind of look at it as those are the common OCCs of NEMA everywhere, not just to a particular area, and i didnt get anything that suggested it would only be for select parts of NEMA.

As well when you read about NEMA reaction to when magic and monsters first start happening, they quickly start digging for any info on the paranormal, monsters, myths ext, then even go so far as to review video games and rpg's for any possible info that might have some truth to it. I think you would have a few of these guys for every sizable force or HQ as NEMA comes across as fairly intelligent and want to identify weaknesses, and any info on creatures / magic before they start shooting.

A more than reasonable thought, and one that I generally agree with, except I'm not sure General Emmel did so. (IIRC) Instead of fighting he decided to put his people into stasis and have Archie wake them a year later whe he thought things would calm down. That's why I don't know if Gen. Emmel had any Para-Arcane or if his troops ever experienced working with any Chaos era mages or such like. Of course it IS possible that they did and Kevin IS working from the info in Chaos Earth as well (unfortunately he's had a bad habit of NOT re-reading his original material and adding stuff LIKE HQ Echo) 'cause there's NO WAY a Lt. General in GEORGIA wouldn't have been aware of Gen. Emmel as well as been kept IN the loop about the facility, which (IMO) would have changed where she went or at least the route taken.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Then again they could have died in cold storage, and Archie just forgot that he killed by accident, or some tech mishap

I dont see Archie having a tech mishap for something like that as i would think there would be some type of safeties involved in such units, you know so when your macking it with one of the hotty shermanian robots and you in your passion push her against the button on the wall that says éxterminate and expel, it requires something more from you that you have to think about to continue thru.

New and untested 28,000 build by a government contractor, lowest bid I too,
What could possibly go wrong with that?

lol, ya something we see or hear about all to often today is how lowest bidder got it.

That said, i would hope that the last bastion of humanity surviving didnt go to the lowest bidder. On the flip, Archie would be able to make sure they are stable and working fine though, so even if some faults he could prolly fix before anything happened.

let's the saying goes, "screw it looks good for government work."