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Mack wrote:Though it's going to bug me now because I can't specify which NPC write-up it's in. When I find it I'll post it.
Mack wrote:Crucible wrote:Mack wrote:Crucible wrote:You guys will carelessly argue over anything. He is not from Rifts Earth, the tech was low, KS was the GM using Palladium...he is an Anti Tech savant...makes no sense, but who cares...geez.
According to p21 of SoT4, the Cyber-Knight abilities did not manifest until well after Lord Coake arrived on Rifts Earth, and required the help of a Chiang-Ku dragon.
Never said this was incorrect. My ONLY point is that he came from a Palladium-like world (since I have to be uber specific at this board in order to be understood one iota), came to Rifts Earth before tech was a major issue and suddenly his guys are Buffy the Techie Slayers? Why? Why not magic banes, or SN bashers? Whatever. I'm done anyways and losing patience with many of the responses here. Its like talking to droids.
I think I misread your post. When you used the phrase "Anti Tech savant" I thought you were saying Coake had the Cyber-Knight anti-tech powers prior to his arrival on Rifts Earth. That's why I pointed out they were developed afterwards.
Mack wrote:Personally, I'd make two sub-classes of Cyber-Knight. The anti-tech version that we have now, and a anti-supernatural version with similar abilities. The only substantial difference would be that a squire would have to choose which path to follow and possibly find a new mentor half-way through his training. Otherwise the two types would freely mingle with each other.
TheGrayRaven wrote:1. Can cyber-knights wear any form of armor over their cyber-armor such as environmental, traditional (scale mail, plate mail, etc.), or power armor? If so, are there any defining factors?
2. Since the cyber-armor is a part of a cyber-knights body starting at fourth (?) level, could a cyber-knight who was also a spell caster cast spells within it? What about before it became a part of the knight's body such as at first level?
3. Where can I find the dual class rules? Something like Palladium FRPG High Seas?
Lord_Coake wrote:Crucible wrote:
Mack
Thats pretty cool, but what about a Psi-Staker who can use to Vibro-Swords at a time?
Vibroswords cap out at around 3d6 MD, if I remember correctly. A run of the mill CK will equal that at level 6, surpass it at 9. By level 15, a normal, standard or un-psionic CK will be doing 6d6 MD with each Psi-Sword, and will be swinging two of them.
If the CK is a master Psionic, his Psi Blades will be equal to full-sized vibroswords as level 3, surpass it at 5, and be doing 1d6x10 MD per sword at level 15. Somewhat lacking at levels 1 and 2, one of the most powerful melee weapons in the game by level 9 normally, 6 if a master psychic.
Oh yeah and they come in pairs for free.
Add Fencing in to snag an extra 1d6 for fun.
Add huge bonuses to physical stats and combat bonuses and HtH Martal Arts at level 1, Cyber armor that starts to spontaneously upgrade itself at level 4 and up, Zen Comabt, massive skill list, tons of weapon profs, solid base psionics and/or a very good chance and getting very powerful psionics, and I'll take your Psi-Stalker on any day of the week, twice on Sunday, and happily let him bring a friend or six.
TheGrayRaven wrote:mobuttu wrote:TheGrayRaven wrote:1. Can cyber-knights wear any form of armor over their cyber-armor such as environmental, traditional (scale mail, plate mail, etc.), or power armor? If so, are there any defining factors?
2. Since the cyber-armor is a part of a cyber-knights body starting at fourth (?) level, could a cyber-knight who was also a spell caster cast spells within it? What about before it became a part of the knight's body such as at first level?
3. Where can I find the dual class rules? Something like Palladium FRPG High Seas?
1. Yes, they can. They usually wear ancient-looking MDC armors (Crusader?)
2. Usually CK can't cast spells. BTW, I'd rule favorably to cast spells on him (even with Cyber-armor, as isn't sealed at all, remember it has AR).
3. Yes PFRPG High Seas and also here.
About number2, the reason I asked about it was tied to my question about dual classing. So if, for instance, a cyberknight dual classed into a spellcasting class or had spellcasting available as a racial feature, would the armor be considered "man-made material" and thus interfere with the ability to cast spells?
TheGrayRaven wrote:Ziggurat the Eternal wrote:TheGrayRaven wrote:mobuttu wrote:TheGrayRaven wrote:1. Can cyber-knights wear any form of armor over their cyber-armor such as environmental, traditional (scale mail, plate mail, etc.), or power armor? If so, are there any defining factors?
2. Since the cyber-armor is a part of a cyber-knights body starting at fourth (?) level, could a cyber-knight who was also a spell caster cast spells within it? What about before it became a part of the knight's body such as at first level?
3. Where can I find the dual class rules? Something like Palladium FRPG High Seas?
1. Yes, they can. They usually wear ancient-looking MDC armors (Crusader?)
2. Usually CK can't cast spells. BTW, I'd rule favorably to cast spells on him (even with Cyber-armor, as isn't sealed at all, remember it has AR).
3. Yes PFRPG High Seas and also here.
About number2, the reason I asked about it was tied to my question about dual classing. So if, for instance, a cyberknight dual classed into a spellcasting class or had spellcasting available as a racial feature, would the armor be considered "man-made material" and thus interfere with the ability to cast spells?
yes
What about after it became a living part of the cyberknight's body?
gaby wrote:I think that too.
Someone needs to remake Zen combat so it is Good against different types of enemies then tech or supernatural.
any ideas?
Crucible wrote:TGR...
No worries and I appreciate the honesty. This is a judgement call for the GM. I only told you what I would and would not allow.
With the armor becoming "alive" it would be a permenant disruption to magic just as (drumroll) CYBERnetics. The living armor is in the same format as cybernetics, thus the rules for cybernetics apply in this case.
Lenwen wrote:Crucible wrote:TGR...
No worries and I appreciate the honesty. This is a judgement call for the GM. I only told you what I would and would not allow.
With the armor becoming "alive" it would be a permenant disruption to magic just as (drumroll) CYBERnetics. The living armor is in the same format as cybernetics, thus the rules for cybernetics apply in this case.
Cybernetic's can not "Regrow" lost damage .. if thier damaged .. you have to replace them.
The Cyber-Knights armor is a "Living" symbiotic being with the Knight. And as such it does not disrupt Magic being cast .. or anything of that nature ..
Crucible wrote:Lenwen wrote:Crucible wrote:TGR...
No worries and I appreciate the honesty. This is a judgement call for the GM. I only told you what I would and would not allow.
With the armor becoming "alive" it would be a permenant disruption to magic just as (drumroll) CYBERnetics. The living armor is in the same format as cybernetics, thus the rules for cybernetics apply in this case.
Cybernetic's can not "Regrow" lost damage .. if thier damaged .. you have to replace them.
The Cyber-Knights armor is a "Living" symbiotic being with the Knight. And as such it does not disrupt Magic being cast .. or anything of that nature ..
Is it Nano-Tech? Would not nano tech affect magic?
Lenwen wrote:Crucible wrote:Lenwen wrote:Crucible wrote:TGR...
No worries and I appreciate the honesty. This is a judgement call for the GM. I only told you what I would and would not allow.
With the armor becoming "alive" it would be a permenant disruption to magic just as (drumroll) CYBERnetics. The living armor is in the same format as cybernetics, thus the rules for cybernetics apply in this case.
Cybernetic's can not "Regrow" lost damage .. if thier damaged .. you have to replace them.
The Cyber-Knights armor is a "Living" symbiotic being with the Knight. And as such it does not disrupt Magic being cast .. or anything of that nature ..
Is it Nano-Tech? Would not nano tech affect magic?
False ..
Nano tech is not "Alive" ..
Cyber Armor .. is just that as per its description ..
This next question will affect my overall advice...are you a GM or Player?TheGrayRaven wrote:thanks for the answersCrucible wrote:I just checked the FAQS for OCC's and it only mentioned Totems. In that hook it said that the Cyber-Knight would probably opt out of taking the Cyber Armor.
I found fanwork for a Xarian Cyber Knight that shows a fan-made version of the OCC. Like I said, I would probably not allow it, but another GM may. I don't think that there is a rule on it.
Totems. Were they in Spirit West? Did that come out before or after RUE? Did that FAQ comeout before RUE? Uggh. I am thinking too much into it now.
A couple of notes:
I don't think that the cyberarmor would be considered cybernetics or bionics. With regards to magic on p. 188 of RUE, it states that bionics and cybernetic implants will reduce magical healing by half and I don't think I have seen that cyberknights suffer that penalty anywhere.
Also on p. 188 of RUE, the sentence that precedes the one stating that mages are usually restricted to light armor states that in general mages are not strong enough to carry bulk and are not trained/used to actually wearing armor. So, I'm not sure that the light armor restriction is a hard rule for a spellcaster (especially one who would explicitly fit the exception clause by being a dual class character trained in armor use) or that the -5% penalty in parenthesis would apply because it is following the clause that specifically states that spellcasters are not used to wearing armor. Of course, since stating that I am looking at RAW, I guess I could say that would still apply despite being an exception. Uggh. Too much thinking again.
But again, thanks for the responses so far.
Crucible wrote:Lenwen wrote:Crucible wrote:Lenwen wrote:Crucible wrote:TGR...
No worries and I appreciate the honesty. This is a judgement call for the GM. I only told you what I would and would not allow.
With the armor becoming "alive" it would be a permenant disruption to magic just as (drumroll) CYBERnetics. The living armor is in the same format as cybernetics, thus the rules for cybernetics apply in this case.
Cybernetic's can not "Regrow" lost damage .. if thier damaged .. you have to replace them.
The Cyber-Knights armor is a "Living" symbiotic being with the Knight. And as such it does not disrupt Magic being cast .. or anything of that nature ..
Is it Nano-Tech? Would not nano tech affect magic?
False ..
Nano tech is not "Alive" ..
Cyber Armor .. is just that as per its description ..
LOL! Not so much as that its necessary to define which is which I still do not think so. Maybe through scrolls. Not happening in my game. Like I say, its a GM judgement call.
Crucible wrote:Lord Coake, I personally would like you (I assume you're a fan of the CK) to tell me what makes the Cyber-Knight so great. Even in RUE its only okay. Was excied to buy the Cyber-Knight Sourcebook and was a little let down. I haven't paid attention to the tweaks in RUE as opposed to the SoT/CK book, so what was the tweak? The Psi-Sword is great if you're in a SDC town, but pull that thing out against a fully armored CS Grunt if you want to.
TechnoGothic wrote:Crucible wrote:Lord Coake, I personally would like you (I assume you're a fan of the CK) to tell me what makes the Cyber-Knight so great. Even in RUE its only okay. Was excied to buy the Cyber-Knight Sourcebook and was a little let down. I haven't paid attention to the tweaks in RUE as opposed to the SoT/CK book, so what was the tweak? The Psi-Sword is great if you're in a SDC town, but pull that thing out against a fully armored CS Grunt if you want to.
A Sot4/RUE Master Psychic Cyber-Knight (legal)with the Fencing skill, would be a holly terror to a CS grunt.
Alot of Psionics. Big bonuses to psisword as leveling up and to begin.
Psi-Sword(s) doin 4d6 (lvl 1). If two are used (lvl3) ck inflicts 6d6 Each.
Psi-Shield (lvl 2). Block blasts, and md weapons of any type. Does not take damage unless psi-shield was the target.
TW Armors with up to 3 or 4 TW enhancements (lvl1).
Plus alot more...
TechnoGothic wrote:Crucible wrote:Lord Coake, I personally would like you (I assume you're a fan of the CK) to tell me what makes the Cyber-Knight so great. Even in RUE its only okay. Was excied to buy the Cyber-Knight Sourcebook and was a little let down. I haven't paid attention to the tweaks in RUE as opposed to the SoT/CK book, so what was the tweak? The Psi-Sword is great if you're in a SDC town, but pull that thing out against a fully armored CS Grunt if you want to.
A Sot4/RUE Master Psychic Cyber-Knight (legal)with the Fencing skill, would be a holly terror to a CS grunt.
Alot of Psionics. Big bonuses to psisword as leveling up and to begin.
Psi-Sword(s) doin 4d6 (lvl 1). If two are used (lvl3) ck inflicts 6d6 Each.
Psi-Shield (lvl 2). Block blasts, and md weapons of any type. Does not take damage unless psi-shield was the target.
TW Armors with up to 3 or 4 TW enhancements (lvl1).
Plus alot more...
Balabanto wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:Crucible wrote:Lord Coake, I personally would like you (I assume you're a fan of the CK) to tell me what makes the Cyber-Knight so great. Even in RUE its only okay. Was excied to buy the Cyber-Knight Sourcebook and was a little let down. I haven't paid attention to the tweaks in RUE as opposed to the SoT/CK book, so what was the tweak? The Psi-Sword is great if you're in a SDC town, but pull that thing out against a fully armored CS Grunt if you want to.
A Sot4/RUE Master Psychic Cyber-Knight (legal)with the Fencing skill, would be a holly terror to a CS grunt.
Alot of Psionics. Big bonuses to psisword as leveling up and to begin.
Psi-Sword(s) doin 4d6 (lvl 1). If two are used (lvl3) ck inflicts 6d6 Each.
Psi-Shield (lvl 2). Block blasts, and md weapons of any type. Does not take damage unless psi-shield was the target.
TW Armors with up to 3 or 4 TW enhancements (lvl1).
Plus alot more...
Where do you get the Psi Swords doing 4d6? 1 for Cyberknight, 1 for fencing. That's 2. At level 2 it becomes 3d6. Two swords makes 6d6 at level 2. Not 6d6 Each. So the CS grunt parries 1. Will the Cyberknight wreck this guy? Yes. But CS grunts don't come as one. It is 4d6 at level 3 if your cyberknight is a master psychic. That becomes 8d6.
Now, if you're playing rough, your cyberknight can get on his horse. Add another 2d6 for fighting on horseback. Now we're talking damage. That cyberknight does 12d6 at level 3. If you could find a way to get a flying robot horse, a cyberknight would become the most awesome thing ever recorded.
Rifts ULTIMATE Edition wrote:Master Psychic Cyber-knight:
Selecte 8 Psychic powers from all three catagories. One from Super-psionics at lvls 2, 6 , 10.
Psi-sword = 1d6 (Normal CK) + 1d6 (due to Master Psychic, in addition to the normal CK bonuses from training) 2, 5, 9, 13. Additionally add +1d6 (from normal CK Training with Psi-sword) 3, 6, 9, 12, and 15.
Fencing Skill = +1d6 MD from Psi-sword/magic swords.
Lvl 2 = Paired Weapons, & Psi-shield power.
Lvl 3 = Two Psi-swords for free.
Lord_Coake wrote:
The vast majority of CS soldiers are by no means accomplished soldiers. They're taught to evade melee combat and keep the range op-en so they can make maximum use of their rifles and other weaponry. Officers are often capable of fighting with a sword, but the Grunts are likely only skilled with a knife. Maybe.
If a CK lands in the middle of a CS platoon, said platoon is screwed. Even without the rules of close-quarters battle, Zen Combat is pretty much going to render them near impotent, leaving them open to being carved apart by a pair of the deadliest weapons in the game wielded by one of the equally deadly classes.
I've used my CK to fight down Mega Juicers. CS thugs are nothing.
TechnoGothic wrote:Balabanto wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:Crucible wrote:Lord Coake, I personally would like you (I assume you're a fan of the CK) to tell me what makes the Cyber-Knight so great. Even in RUE its only okay. Was excied to buy the Cyber-Knight Sourcebook and was a little let down. I haven't paid attention to the tweaks in RUE as opposed to the SoT/CK book, so what was the tweak? The Psi-Sword is great if you're in a SDC town, but pull that thing out against a fully armored CS Grunt if you want to.
A Sot4/RUE Master Psychic Cyber-Knight (legal)with the Fencing skill, would be a holly terror to a CS grunt.
Alot of Psionics. Big bonuses to psisword as leveling up and to begin.
Psi-Sword(s) doin 4d6 (lvl 1). If two are used (lvl3) ck inflicts 6d6 Each.
Psi-Shield (lvl 2). Block blasts, and md weapons of any type. Does not take damage unless psi-shield was the target.
TW Armors with up to 3 or 4 TW enhancements (lvl1).
Plus alot more...
Where do you get the Psi Swords doing 4d6? 1 for Cyberknight, 1 for fencing. That's 2. At level 2 it becomes 3d6. Two swords makes 6d6 at level 2. Not 6d6 Each. So the CS grunt parries 1. Will the Cyberknight wreck this guy? Yes. But CS grunts don't come as one. It is 4d6 at level 3 if your cyberknight is a master psychic. That becomes 8d6.
Now, if you're playing rough, your cyberknight can get on his horse. Add another 2d6 for fighting on horseback. Now we're talking damage. That cyberknight does 12d6 at level 3. If you could find a way to get a flying robot horse, a cyberknight would become the most awesome thing ever recorded.Rifts ULTIMATE Edition wrote:Master Psychic Cyber-knight:
Selecte 8 Psychic powers from all three catagories. One from Super-psionics at lvls 2, 6 , 10.
Psi-sword = 1d6 (Normal CK) + 1d6 (due to Master Psychic, in addition to the normal CK bonuses from training) 2, 5, 9, 13. Additionally add +1d6 (from normal CK Training with Psi-sword) 3, 6, 9, 12, and 15.
Fencing Skill = +1d6 MD from Psi-sword/magic swords.
Lvl 2 = Paired Weapons, & Psi-shield power.
Lvl 3 = Two Psi-swords for free.
Lvl 1 CK like above = 2d6 md
Lcl 2 CK = 3d6 md
Lvl 3 = 4d6 md + 4d6 md dual swords. 8D6 !!
Lvl 5 = 5d6 md + 5d6 md dual swords. 10d6 !!
Lvl 6 = 6d6 md + 6d6 md dual swords. 12d6 !!
Lvl 9 = 8d6 md + 8d6 md dual swords. 16d6 !!
Lvl 12 = 9d6 md + 9d6 md dual swords. 18d6 !!
Lvl 13 = 10d6 md + 10d6 md dual swords. 20d6 !!
Lvl 15 = 11d6 md + 11d6 md dual swords. 22d6 !!
Both FREE and Will in an instant.
Pretty good to me.
I have played several CKs and I always go for the Master Psychic version.
BTW, Cyber-Knight should be renamed Psi-Knights in my opinion.
Cyber-Knights to me sounds like a Cyborg Knight class of some kind.
Of course, one of them has O-Ken Wa from Rifter #3, and is a True Atlantean, which is all just brutal cake icing, but nonetheless, the Cyberknight always gets the job done. People try to compare other melee classes, but really, the Cyberknight is one of the most awesome.