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Tor wrote:TMNT, like HU, never really used OCCs specifically... but the educational backgrounds or power categories are essentially the rough equivalents...

In which case, I'd submit the Time Lord from Transdimensional. It doesn't matter how much power you build up if your opponent can just go back in time when you were weak (or not even born) and wipe you from existence.

Though I'm not clear on how this works in regard to paradoxes. Can we not take actions that would cause them? (ie killing someone removes them and thus your reason for going back in time to kill them, so you can't actually make intended changes to the past, only unintended changes)

Perhaps if we make an intended change to the past, it splits the timeline and creates new dimensions? You create a new timeline that does not produce the you that wanted to go back and make the change, but you did not change your own timeline.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Tor wrote:I'm not clear on how this works in regard to paradoxes. Can we not take actions that would cause them? (ie killing someone removes them and thus your reason for going back in time to kill them, so you can't actually make intended changes to the past, only unintended changes) Perhaps if we make an intended change to the past, it splits the timeline and creates new dimensions? You create a new timeline that does not produce the you that wanted to go back and make the change, but you did not change your own timeline.

The Transdimensional TMNT book goes into explicit detail on those very questions. which makes sense sinse they're also the book where time lords are discribed and stated.

Ectoplasmic Bidet wrote:Lord Magus.

londonbaz wrote:

Ectoplasmic Bidet wrote:Lord Magus.

Good man, staying loyal to our Avatar

flatline wrote:

londonbaz wrote:

Ectoplasmic Bidet wrote:Lord Magus.

Good man, staying loyal to our Avatar

I always confuse the FoM magic users. Is the Lord Magus the one that can never learn high level spells but slowly transforms into a supernatural creature?

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flatline wrote:Do they still sell Manhunter?

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FluidicAztec wrote:

flatline wrote:Do they still sell Manhunter?

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Try Amazon. Just search for Rifts Manhunter. You can get it used pretty cheap. It's a really cool book. Not laid out very good and there is so much missing...but the whole concept of intergalactic bad guy robots and all these bounty hunter type OCCs is cool. It had a lot of potential, but as written is kinda rough. But if you want uber tough Robot villian it doesn't get any better. Sorry, went off topic...

On topic...The Smoker is cool cause he's super versatile with spell selection but focuses on destructive and defensive type spells which he casts at half cost. He also has a horror factor, can see magic (including things made invisible with magic and, sense magic. I would rule that they could use combat magic out of the Rifts Mercenary Adventures book.

Damian Magecraft wrote:

FluidicAztec wrote:

flatline wrote:Do they still sell Manhunter?

--flatline

Try Amazon. Just search for Rifts Manhunter. You can get it used pretty cheap. It's a really cool book. Not laid out very good and there is so much missing...but the whole concept of intergalactic bad guy robots and all these bounty hunter type OCCs is cool. It had a lot of potential, but as written is kinda rough. But if you want uber tough Robot villian it doesn't get any better. Sorry, went off topic...

On topic...The Smoker is cool cause he's super versatile with spell selection but focuses on destructive and defensive type spells which he casts at half cost. He also has a horror factor, can see magic (including things made invisible with magic and, sense magic. I would rule that they could use combat magic out of the Rifts Mercenary Adventures book.

what book is this one out of?

flatline wrote:

Looonatic wrote:I can't believe nobody mentioned the Ludicrous mage.

Never heard of it nor does it appear in the OCCs listed in the GMG. Is it from a Rifter?

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flatline wrote:Do they still sell Manhunter?

--flatline

Gravitus Everlast wrote:Most off the wall but lethal caster I've ever created was a Machine person/CosmoKnight. Yes I said it. Machine person/Cosmoknight. Cosmoknights get an awesome and underestimated amount of PPE that usually gets spent quickly and permanently, but a smart player can use this PPE boost to give PPE reserve to a character that usually didn't have it. In this case, a Machine Person. The trick to this is that the character has to meld with a Magic Construct such as one would find in Tolkeen. The MP/CK then learns the spells as Programs, and runs them through the battery and other components as a Computer Operation skill check. Converting spells to computer program is easy but time consuming with the right skills and as an added bonus, casting gains experience like a skill check, because it is. You are not only limited to your own imagination and spell finding abilities. Heaven forbid you figure out how to give it ISP or Chi...

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Cinos wrote:So you don't find use for Forgery, but find Ley Lines all the time?

Not ALL the time, but with reasonable frequency. enough it definatly comes in handy, as opposed to forgery, which has never come in handy. i'm not saying we never needed a forgery, i'm saying it seems to always be faster to buy it than to wait for the party member with the skill to try to pass the abursdly hard roll.

And 6th level is pushing the half point of the entire leveling curve, so being better until 6th is a pretty big deal.

Not really. you start hitting levels 4 and 5 after just a few months of regular playing and level six within six months. after that, it's a few years of playing at the medium to high levels. I've played in several games that lasted 2-3 years and one for 7 years and counting. the low levels blow by pretty fast, after that the difference between classes become clear, and apparent, because if you picked the frontended class, you got to outshine the others for a little while, then spend years being behind the curve.

And how well does that Metamorph work against dog boys or anything with Sense Magic? Not super well I'd wager.

it works as well as any other magic, really. at which point both classes are down to skills, and as I said, the ley line walker just has them beat. the ley line walker can have every skill the gypsy wizard does for sneaking around and more besides.

Or just use mystic invisibility spell, which either can learn, at which point dog boys become absolutely useless

The thing is that the Gypsy's skills fall back in situations where their spells are impractical and gives them an innate counter to the things that normally counter anti-magic tech in terms of stealth spells.

You seem to be conviently ignoring the part where I pointed out the ley line walker can have all the same skills with the exception of disguise and forgery and, again, because they come up so rarely the much more consistantly useful ley line walker powers just outshine the gypsy wizard thief. One is trivially duplicated with magic, the other is actually easier to buy than to DIY, so moot.

It might be a difference of perspective. if you don't play games that reach mid to high levels, then front-ended classes are always better. I've played games where a juicer would have actually died of old age, so what I value is very much long-term growth over being the best at first level.