Lt Gargoyle wrote:Actually in the Game books its says that the flower of life has spot where the FoL grows better then others. So high radio active areas could be the very reason the plant grows better in some spots.
So... drop a big space rock to further contaminate the environment to make MORE Invid food, if the FoL thrives on terrible conditions?
That's the biggest sticking point... the assumption that an asteroid attack couldn't be intercepted, and that even if it wasn't, that it'd actually be enough to materially weaken the Invid occupation.
Lt Gargoyle wrote:Well lets see we have the intense heat which is in the thousands of degrees, melting the ships metals.
Reentry heat doesn't seem to be an issue for most ships in the setting, though... even the Mars Base ships that are disabled and fall to Earth frequently fall in one piece.
Lt Gargoyle wrote:And heck hoss we here at NASA don't leave things to chance, we double up on everything.
Both of those examples feature meteoroids several times larger than what we're told the maximum diameter of a fold bubble can be on UEEF ships of the line, or even SDFs for that matter.
Lt Gargoyle wrote:With what we have seen On screen and not in game books, A fold bubble can grab the ocean around the entire Island of macross and take it out to Pluto. So i am gonna say in this case using your type of logic The on screen shot wins. Fold this back into the atmosphere and run. After all who wants to leave an island littering space like that?
Um... you
do know the RPG and the animation are pretty much in accord WRT the fold bubble thing, right?
South Ataria... or "Macross Island" as
Robotech has it... was a particularly small island maybe 3km across at its widest, and more than capable of fitting into the fold bubble the stats say the SDF-1 or SDF-4 can produce at their maximum. But who would take the flagship off the front lines for months to attempt an unorthodox attack that may not actually even discomfort the Invid's occupation force?
Also, no faction in
Robotech has demonstrated the ability to fold with that level of precision... they usually come out of fold a good distance away from whatever planet or moon they're visiting.
(I'd also note that the island isn't going to hold up nearly as well as a dense, iron-rich asteroid... it's likely to break up immediately under the stresses involved burn up mostly harmlessly on reentry.)
Lt Gargoyle wrote:Yea this is where we have issue with rewritten material. I realize the old comics and Novels are out dated. But why would the Invid come after the Master If it was the Haydonite who destoryed thier homeworld.
Because the Robotech Masters stole the Flowers of Life and then destroyed the Invid's second homeworld. The Invid wanting their flowers back was always their motivation in
Sentinels... that hasn't changed.
Lt Gargoyle wrote:The master take some FoL make protoculture and the all powerful Haydonite pop Optera so the invid could not have any, but failed to kill the primitive species and the invid starving attack the masters. ok got it.
No, you've misunderstood me.
Ariel establishes in
Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles that the Haydonites destroyed the original Invid homeworld... the world they migrated from when they moved to Optera... in an effort to wipe out protoculture. The Robotech Masters destroyed Optera's surface after the Invid reestablished their civilization there, and claimed the Flowers of Life for themselves. The Invid Regent kept using Optera as his HQ even though it was pretty much a dead world, and eventually Edwards took over that HQ, but the Regess's part of the Invid species left to find other places to live and eventually settled on Earth until humanity made it clear they'd torch it rather than let the Invid have it.
Invid homeworld #1: destroyed by Haydonites
Invid homeworld #2: Optera, destroyed by the Robotech Masters
Invid homeworld #3: Weird planet seen at the start of the New Generation, abandoned when the Flowers of Life were detected on Earth.
Invid homeworld #4: Earth, abandoned when the UEEF tried to destroy the planet after failing to recapture it.
Lt Gargoyle wrote:Well we do see a big debris ring in orbit around the earth of some really big chunks of spaceship which marcus and alex hide in. And with a dozen shadow fighters giving them a bit of a friendly push down, would be right there in Invid controlled space, HMMMM.... I guess the Invid did not think of that either. heck you could do this like the haydonites do the UEEF and Tirolian ships. But instead Of the Regsis saving ariel she could die.
Or you could look at it another way... that the orbital debris and the possibility of it making reentry was not a threat to the Invid, so they ignored it as they do all other things that don't threaten them.
(Shadow fighters weren't available until the runup to the 3rd Earth Reclamation Force operation in 2044, so that wouldn't have been an option.)
Lt Gargoyle wrote:Best part is you do not need any direct hits on a hive. With the two video links i have shown how the impacts will look. Place a ton of those missile/explosives carried by the fleet (pull them right out of the veritechs) and with the armaments still on those ship, you have a pretty big orbital nuke. And since we have so many veritechs and so much debris even if 1% hits the ground reflex point is pretty much gone.
You're really dramatically overestimating the energy involved here... there's a world of difference between a 16km metallic asteroid and chunks of twisted, irregularly shaped metal a few dozen to a few hundred meters long, especially if one is making a direct high velocity approach and the other is in a slowly decaying orbit. There's a difference in energy that's orders of magnitude apart.
Lt Gargoyle wrote:Actually it says the Haydonites are keeping the Humans and Tirolian ships busy in a fire fight and unable to fire upon the meteorite. they even said meterorite and the one in the video with LA impact ten miles will do the same job. So it does not take a moon size rock to end the live on earth. again your deleting things from the quotes.
I'm deleting irrelevant things from quotes... and the outline says the Haydonites attack after the fleet starts firing.
(If anything, the outline would tend to support the view that an asteroid attack would be no threat to the Invid... Ariel's abilities are officially supposed to be much weaker than the Regess's, and that kind of leaves the door open the the Regess being able to exert a telekinetic push on an asteroid attack sufficient to redirect it... if she didn't simply teleport it to the far end of the universe out of spite the way Ariel dragged Scott to another galaxy as casually as stepping through a door.)