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Chronicler wrote:

taalismn wrote:And what happens to space/time if Embryo fails his sanity check?

Chronicler: Money's on implosion.

Embryo: "I'm meeeellllltttiiinnnggggg!!!!!..."

taalismn wrote:Though personally I could do without a shirtless guy with the musculature of a Mister Atlas chasing me trying to give me a hug....

Though, admittedly, having the State Alchemists on Arzenal Island during the Imperial Invasion would be a mixed blessing.
On one hand, Roy Mustang setting fire to a kill-squad of Mana-users is a thing of certain horrible beauty. On the other hand, given the guy's stated preference(you can take it with a grain of salt, whether he's serious about it or just playing the lecherous goof) for mini-skirts, do you really want him running loose on an island of women where the mini-skirt is virtually standard uniform?

Of course, in a FMA/Cross Ange xover, there will, inevitably, be an instance when some Mana-user(possibly Julio himself) will make some crack about the 'titch'.
Cue the sound of multiple kneecaps being ripped off...

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Of course, in a FMA/Cross Ange xover, there will, inevitably, be an instance when some Mana-user(possibly Julio himself) will make some crack about the 'titch'.
Cue the sound of multiple kneecaps being ripped off...

Shot off actually.

Riza: (Reloading) "Anyone else want to make a wiseass crack?"

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Of course, in a FMA/Cross Ange xover, there will, inevitably, be an instance when some Mana-user(possibly Julio himself) will make some crack about the 'titch'.
Cue the sound of multiple kneecaps being ripped off...

Shot off actually.

Riza: (Reloading) "Anyone else want to make a wiseass crack?"

Edward Elric: "On come ON! They were MINE!"
(sound of Imperial commandos groaning in agony in the background)

SRoss wrote:SRoss: (After watching Embryo raise the dead and use the singing attack) "Hmm, he's got a god complex and some power."

taalismn: "Better fight fire with fire."

Minmei: "I'm ready guys!"

SRoss: "SUMMON THE FLOATING HEAD OF BRIAN MAY!!!"

Minmei: "I, HATE, ALL OF YOU..."

taalismn wrote:And what happens to space/time if Embryo fails his sanity check?

Chronicler wrote:

taalismn wrote:And what happens to space/time if Embryo fails his sanity check?

Chronicler: Money's on implosion.

taalismn wrote:

Chronicler wrote:

taalismn wrote:And what happens to space/time if Embryo fails his sanity check?

Chronicler: Money's on implosion.

Embryo: "I'm meeeellllltttiiinnnggggg!!!!!..."

as far as Alecia using her anti starship as an anti personnel weapon... she has only done it once in between 5 and 8 years of (IRL) gaming with the character. She acknowledged it was a bit of overkill but it was actually good for a LOL moment.

Here you have a Character who in our campaign was at least a lesser Deity (Goddess of High tech warfare) and had previously fought the Borg from star trek, the Cylons from the Original BSG, The empire in star wars ... etc. so big baddies are not a major issue.
she "poofed in" and is on a desert island, and something was so "scary" she failed a HF check (badly) and her reaction was to pull the thermite mine, arm it for ~30 seconds until detonation, and take off running hoping to get enough distance (and out of LOS) that she won't be killed when the thing detonated

guardiandashi wrote:as far as Alecia using her anti starship as an anti personnel weapon... she has only done it once in between 5 and 8 years of (IRL) gaming with the character. She acknowledged it was a bit of overkill but it was actually good for a LOL moment.

Here you have a Character who in our campaign was at least a lesser Deity (Goddess of High tech warfare) and had previously fought the Borg from star trek, the Cylons from the Original BSG, The empire in star wars ... etc. so big baddies are not a major issue.
she "poofed in" and is on a desert island, and something was so "scary" she failed a HF check (badly) and her reaction was to pull the thermite mine, arm it for ~30 seconds until detonation, and take off running hoping to get enough distance (and out of LOS) that she won't be killed when the thing detonated

Hey, one of my campaigns, the Garudan Military Specialist in his Cyclone played hot potato' with a bunch of Karbarrean pirates, using a dud mini-missile(that might still go off) INSIDE their fully-fueled up freighter. Roll for Physical Prowess, Catching and Throwing, folks.

guardiandashi wrote:as far as Alecia using her anti starship as an anti personnel weapon... she has only done it once in between 5 and 8 years of (IRL) gaming with the character. She acknowledged it was a bit of overkill but it was actually good for a LOL moment.

Here you have a Character who in our campaign was at least a lesser Deity (Goddess of High tech warfare) and had previously fought the Borg from star trek, the Cylons from the Original BSG, The empire in star wars ... etc. so big baddies are not a major issue.
she "poofed in" and is on a desert island, and something was so "scary" she failed a HF check (badly) and her reaction was to pull the thermite mine, arm it for ~30 seconds until detonation, and take off running hoping to get enough distance (and out of LOS) that she won't be killed when the thing detonated

taalismn wrote:

guardiandashi wrote:as far as Alecia using her anti starship as an anti personnel weapon... she has only done it once in between 5 and 8 years of (IRL) gaming with the character. She acknowledged it was a bit of overkill but it was actually good for a LOL moment.

Here you have a Character who in our campaign was at least a lesser Deity (Goddess of High tech warfare) and had previously fought the Borg from star trek, the Cylons from the Original BSG, The empire in star wars ... etc. so big baddies are not a major issue.
she "poofed in" and is on a desert island, and something was so "scary" she failed a HF check (badly) and her reaction was to pull the thermite mine, arm it for ~30 seconds until detonation, and take off running hoping to get enough distance (and out of LOS) that she won't be killed when the thing detonated

Hey, one of my campaigns, the Garudan Military Specialist in his Cyclone played hot potato' with a bunch of Karbarrean pirates, using a dud mini-missile(that might still go off) INSIDE their fully-fueled up freighter. Roll for Physical Prowess, Catching and Throwing, folks.

The outcome of the contest was ultimately decided when the Karbarreans realized the Garudan could add MORE mini-missiles to the contest, increasing the odds that they'd all be blown sky-high, so they surrendered. The mini-missile was then casually disposed of down a garbage disposal chute, which would normally have evacuated into vacuum when the ship was in space, but instead deposited the missile on the service gantry cradle around the ship amongst startled dock workers. The missile then rolled over to a fuel feed line and promptly exploded, affording those watching aboard the ship about a melee round's worth of time to haul ass out the bridge emergency hatches and across the gantry cranes to the other side of the servicing pit before the exploding fuel line fed INTO the ship and blew it in chunks into low orbit.
The Garudan PC later reported that the pirates had been 'effectively neutralized'.

taalismn wrote:And what happens to space/time if Embryo fails his sanity check?

"Daedulus fungus?"

[sup]1)[/sup] Daedulus
Planted for the acceleration of reforestation, plants that were genetically modified to enhance the rate of carbon dioxide absorption. They are strong in reproduction and continue to grow with tremendous speed. Upon the discovery of a heat source, Daedulus will fire at the direction of its target. The heat generated from its seeds will then become a source of contamination to the environment, emitting nitrogen oxides(NOx) instead of oxygen. Its appearance in the anime version is similar to the Rafflesia.

UEsG Space, Monument City(Baseline)

“Now that we’ve been able to access several levels of this ‘mana-verse’, similar to how we were initially accessing various Evangelion-shadows, there will be talk of intervention as we did there as well.”
“We’ll have to approach intervention differently, though.”
“Why? Direct application of force seems to do the job quite well. Seize and secure Arzenal, bring the normas across the Veils to sanctuary in safe-universes, and then we can deal with the mana-users’ society and the DRAGONs at our leisure.”
“There’s been talk about the value of more...subtle approaches to affecting events. Ice Guard’s and Fokker’s early actions struck many as hasty and clumsy, and there’s a lot of discussion how, with the facts in hand, more professional organizations could handle the events as they play out.”
“And how, pray tell, are they proposing handling things in a more ‘subtle manner’?”
“Some of my colleagues have been investigating that in some of the newly openned Manaverse alternaties. They’ve been working at finding new ways of getting agents into place-”

Just off Manaverse(Cross-Ange/CA-.07)
Momoka Oginome woke up, feeling dizzy. The last thing she’d remembered was hiding aboard a military transport that was supposed to take her where Angelise-sama had been taken.
She wasn’t expecting to wake up in a dark room, tied to a chair. Cold sweat began beading out on her as she frantically began looking around. Oh dear, she’d been discov-
“Good, you’re finally awake. We can begin.”
“Ah, hello? Begin WHAT? Where am i?!”
“In reverse order of your questions, you are at the Scullery-”
“This doesn’t look like a kitchen-”
”QUIET! The Scullery is a DOMEST training facility. It exists in a universe sidereal to your own, with a passage of time slightly faster than that of your own. This will permit your training without adversely affecting the established timetable of your arrival at your destination back in your home universe.”
”Training?! What do you mean, ‘training’?!”
“Your loyalty to your former employer speaks very well of you, but your plan to reunite with her carries certain liabilities, Indeed, your seeking her out was anticipated by certain parties with a less than saluatory interest in her well-being. The training you receive here, when you need to remember it, will serve you in derailing their plans for Miss Ange.”
“You know where Angelise-sama is!? Where is she?! How is she?! Please, please tell me!”
“She is currently safe, for a degree of ‘safe’, but she faces great danger. Danger you must be better trained to help her with. That is why you have been brought here.”
A figure stepped out of the shadows. The obvious maid uniform was of a cut unfamiliar to Momoka, who was familiar by necessity with a variety of other nations’ retainers. The dim light glinted off glasses, but did little to hide the cold, calculating gaze from behind them.
“My name is Roberta. I will be your instructor. I have been retained by the Domicile Operations Military Echelon Services Taskforce to address your shortcomings in certain areas of expertise. Expertise in how to leave the enemies of your Angelise-sama quite ineffectual in harming her....”

(“Dear god, you have her being trained by HER?”
“To be honest, we brought along Miss Fabiola to mediate and moderate Miss Roberta’s more...extreme...views that she might pass on to her student, otherwise Miss Oginome’s first meeting with the late Zola Axberg’s little cadre might go VERY differently...”)

“You’ve been endangering Angelise-sama’s well-being through your actions. I can’t allow that.”
Hilda looked frantically from side to side, looking for help, but Chris and Rosalie looked petrified in place where they lay on the floor bleeding after being muzzle- and buttstock-whipped down before the rich girl’s ‘meido’ had stuck the business end of the CANNON the slight girl had pulled out of seemingly nowhere and stuck under Hilda’s chin, and used to slam her against the wall behind her. In desperation the red-head looked to Ange, hoping she’d call off her attack-animal. But the rich girl in question just stared in shock, apparently just as surprised at the smaller woman’s actions.
“I may not have started your little grudge, but I can certainly finish it.”

Though the mana-using commandos in ep #13 have it coming, I feel kinda sorry for the cops in ep #9!

taalismn wrote:The outcome of the contest was ultimately decided when the Karbarreans realized the Garudan could add MORE mini-missiles to the contest, increasing the odds that they'd all be blown sky-high, so they surrendered. The mini-missile was then casually disposed of down a garbage disposal chute, which would normally have evacuated into vacuum when the ship was in space, but instead deposited the missile on the service gantry cradle around the ship amongst startled dock workers. The missile then rolled over to a fuel feed line and promptly exploded, affording those watching aboard the ship about a melee round's worth of time to haul ass out the bridge emergency hatches and across the gantry cranes to the other side of the servicing pit before the exploding fuel line fed INTO the ship and blew it in chunks into low orbit.
The Garudan PC later reported that the pirates had been 'effectively neutralized'.

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:And what happens to space/time if Embryo fails his sanity check?

"Daedulus fungus?"

[sup]1)[/sup] Daedulus
Planted for the acceleration of reforestation, plants that were genetically modified to enhance the rate of carbon dioxide absorption. They are strong in reproduction and continue to grow with tremendous speed. Upon the discovery of a heat source, Daedulus will fire at the direction of its target. The heat generated from its seeds will then become a source of contamination to the environment, emitting nitrogen oxides(NOx) instead of oxygen. Its appearance in the anime version is similar to the Rafflesia.

Interesting.

taalismn wrote:UEsG Space, Monument City(Baseline)

“Now that we’ve been able to access several levels of this ‘mana-verse’, similar to how we were initially accessing various Evangelion-shadows, there will be talk of intervention as we did there as well.”
“We’ll have to approach intervention differently, though.”
“Why? Direct application of force seems to do the job quite well. Seize and secure Arzenal, bring the normas across the Veils to sanctuary in safe-universes, and then we can deal with the mana-users’ society and the DRAGONs at our leisure.”
“There’s been talk about the value of more...subtle approaches to affecting events. Ice Guard’s and Fokker’s early actions struck many as hasty and clumsy, and there’s a lot of discussion how, with the facts in hand, more professional organizations could handle the events as they play out.”
“And how, pray tell, are they proposing handling things in a more ‘subtle manner’?”
“Some of my colleagues have been investigating that in some of the newly openned Manaverse alternaties. They’ve been working at finding new ways of getting agents into place-”

Just off Manaverse(Cross-Ange/CA-.07)
Momoka Oginome woke up, feeling dizzy. The last thing she’d remembered was hiding aboard a military transport that was supposed to take her where Angelise-sama had been taken.
She wasn’t expecting to wake up in a dark room, tied to a chair. Cold sweat began beading out on her as she frantically began looking around. Oh dear, she’d been discov-
“Good, you’re finally awake. We can begin.”
“Ah, hello? Begin WHAT? Where am i?!”
“In reverse order of your questions, you are at the Scullery-”
“This doesn’t look like a kitchen-”
”QUIET! The Scullery is a DOMEST training facility. It exists in a universe sidereal to your own, with a passage of time slightly faster than that of your own. This will permit your training without adversely affecting the established timetable of your arrival at your destination back in your home universe.”
”Training?! What do you mean, ‘training’?!”
“Your loyalty to your former employer speaks very well of you, but your plan to reunite with her carries certain liabilities, Indeed, your seeking her out was anticipated by certain parties with a less than saluatory interest in her well-being. The training you receive here, when you need to remember it, will serve you in derailing their plans for Miss Ange.”
“You know where Angelise-sama is!? Where is she?! How is she?! Please, please tell me!”
“She is currently safe, for a degree of ‘safe’, but she faces great danger. Danger you must be better trained to help her with. That is why you have been brought here.”
A figure stepped out of the shadows. The obvious maid uniform was of a cut unfamiliar to Momoka, who was familiar by necessity with a variety of other nations’ retainers. The dim light glinted off glasses, but did little to hide the cold, calculating gaze from behind them.
“My name is Roberta. I will be your instructor. I have been retained by the Domicile Operations Military Echelon Services Taskforce to address your shortcomings in certain areas of expertise. Expertise in how to leave the enemies of your Angelise-sama quite ineffectual in harming her....”

(“Dear god, you have her being trained by HER?”
“To be honest, we brought along Miss Fabiola to mediate and moderate Miss Roberta’s more...extreme...views that she might pass on to her student, otherwise Miss Oginome’s first meeting with the late Zola Axberg’s little cadre might go VERY differently...”)

“You’ve been endangering Angelise-sama’s well-being through your actions. I can’t allow that.”
Hilda looked frantically from side to side, looking for help, but Chris and Rosalie looked petrified in place where they lay on the floor bleeding after being muzzle- and buttstock-whipped down before the rich girl’s ‘meido’ had stuck the business end of the CANNON the slight girl had pulled out of seemingly nowhere and stuck under Hilda’s chin, and used to slam her against the wall behind her. In desperation the red-head looked to Ange, hoping she’d call off her attack-animal. But the rich girl in question just stared in shock, apparently just as surprised at the smaller woman’s actions.
“I may not have started your little grudge, but I can certainly finish it.”

I SO called that one! VERY nicely done with that crossover!:ok: Wouldn't mind seeing some more of that in the future!

SRoss wrote:Though the mana-using commandos in ep #13 have it coming, I feel kinda sorry for the cops in ep #9!

SRoss wrote:Though the mana-using commandos in ep #13 have it coming, I feel kinda sorry for the cops in ep #9!

That is, if little harmless Momoka doesn't see Sylvia's message as an obvious trap in the first place doesn't knock Ange out to prevent her from stupidly escaping and blundering into said trap.
Because you KNOW if it somehow devolves to the whipping and gallows in episode 10...well, ain't NOBODY who dissed Ange going to be walking away from THAT scene.
"Don't worry, Angelise-sama! AS Roberta-sensei would say; 'This is a target-rich environment!'"
(to girl who threw the egg) "Let me give you something REAL to complain about."(tosses her a hand grenade with the pin pulled)
(Various sundry guards get fed their rifles the long way, or find their testicles forcibly relocated)
(Crowd flees as the front rows are SET ON FIRE)
Julio: "Oh.My. God."

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:Though the mana-using commandos in ep #13 have it coming, I feel kinda sorry for the cops in ep #9!

That is, if little harmless Momoka doesn't see Sylvia's message as an obvious trap in the first place doesn't knock Ange out to prevent her from stupidly escaping and blundering into said trap.
Because you KNOW if it somehow devolves to the whipping and gallows in episode 10...well, ain't NOBODY who dissed Ange going to walking away from THAT scene.
"Don't worry, Angelise-sama! AS Roberta-sensei would say; 'This is a target-rich environment!'"
(to girl who threw the egg) "Let me give you something REAL to complain about."(tosses her a hand grenade with the pin pulled)
(Various sundry guards get fed their rifles the long way, or find their testicles forcibly relocated)
(Crowd flees as the front rows are SET ON FIRE)
Julio: "Oh.My. God."

UEsG Space, Monument City(Baseline)

"Umm ... How was this the more subtle approach!?!"

Oh, and let us not forget...
Jill punching Ange in the gut on her return.
This would play out instead with either Momoka bodyslamming Jill into the sand and threatening to clear her ears out with a shotgun, or the maid would simply cut off Jill's prosthetic arm and beat her unconscious with it.

Emma, who has stated her belief that norma are uneducated, rude, crude, violent, and uncivilized, would be forced to reconsider her opinions, after witnessing several of these smackdowns.

(though it's been speculated that the mana-users have been genetically tweaked by Embryo to be less violent in general, but also more prone to suggestion and societal conformity)

taalismn wrote:Oh, and let us not forget...
Jill punching Ange in the gut on her return.
This would play out instead with either Momoka bodyslamming Jill into the sand and threatening to clear her ears out with a shotgun, or the maid would simply cut off Jill's prosthetic arm and beat her unconscious with it.

Emma, who has stated her belief that norma are uneducated, rude, crude, violent, and uncivilized, would be forced to reconsider her opinions, after witnessing several of these smackdowns.

(though it's been speculated that the mana-users have been genetically tweaked by Embryo to be less violent in general, but also more prone to suggestion and societal conformity)

Hence their propensity to shoot at each other (or allies) when confronted by Dragons.

Hence Momoka will be trained to have a laser-like focus, and to resist mind control(even though she's being indoctrinated to within a micrometer of her sanity).
Hence, at some point, Ange will use Momoka's canon line: "What's HAPPENED to you?!"*
*Sensory deprivation, hypnotherapy, repetition, and the overwhelming personality of somebody Rock called 'a killer robot from the future'.

Unhappy with the conclusion of Invid Invasion/New Generation and its break from the RT formula..., in our games from the old RT1e our PCs were members of an REF off shoot that was sent to a different galaxy to provide aid. All they ended up chasing the villain of the day and ended up coming back to Sol. Just as the Haydonites attack. They assist and fight off the haydonites. My character a Regis Hybrid (a human/regis mutant produced when two Regis experiments produce a child, obviously custom and non canon) contemplates the events. Then the bad guys of the day materialize and attack... with the haydonites. The battle is drawn out and believing that the only way to achieve victory is to ally with the primary enemy of the invid she, my character leaves to find the Regis. Because of her connection, she finds her quickly having already settled on a planet. Only a hope that the FoL would grow. My character shows her the evolutionary gap she fills to capture the attention of the Regis. She manages to convince the regis that humans were as much a victim of the shadow as the Invid. She went on to convince her that as the light to the haydonites shadow she would be no better than the shadow if she left the humans to be destroyed by the haydonites. She also offered her the lions share of all protoculture produced on Earthif she and her invid wanted to share the planet with the Invid returning to their peaceful life as cultivators and humanity becoming their protectors. Somehow the Regis caves and the two grow new warmachines. Among them, phasing ships, a carrier with a variable geometry force field (like a CADS) ramming prow organic versions of human mecha. Formula, reestablished. (f= aliens attack humans, humans fight back, miraculously survive and surviving alien leadership befriend humans just in time to fight new alien invasion).

Yeah, having a (effectively) alien goddess-level being as your ally is a GOOD thing.
Having that same alien goddess-level being trying to get you in bed with her is NOT necessarily a good thing(ask Shinji Ikari-Sterling).

taalismn wrote:Yeah, having a (effectively) alien goddess-level being as your ally is a GOOD thing.
Having that same alien goddess-level being trying to get you in bed with her is NOT necessarily a good thing(ask Shinji Ikari-Sterling).

or Zor. A jilted human woman is one thing...

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:Though the mana-using commandos in ep #13 have it coming, I feel kinda sorry for the cops in ep #9!

That is, if little harmless Momoka doesn't see Sylvia's message as an obvious trap in the first place doesn't knock Ange out to prevent her from stupidly escaping and blundering into said trap.
Because you KNOW if it somehow devolves to the whipping and gallows in episode 10...well, ain't NOBODY who dissed Ange going to be walking away from THAT scene.
"Don't worry, Angelise-sama! AS Roberta-sensei would say; 'This is a target-rich environment!'"
(to girl who threw the egg) "Let me give you something REAL to complain about."(tosses her a hand grenade with the pin pulled)
(Various sundry guards get fed their rifles the long way, or find their testicles forcibly relocated)
(Crowd flees as the front rows are SET ON FIRE)
Julio: "Oh.My. God."

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:Though the mana-using commandos in ep #13 have it coming, I feel kinda sorry for the cops in ep #9!

That is, if little harmless Momoka doesn't see Sylvia's message as an obvious trap in the first place doesn't knock Ange out to prevent her from stupidly escaping and blundering into said trap.
Because you KNOW if it somehow devolves to the whipping and gallows in episode 10...well, ain't NOBODY who dissed Ange going to walking away from THAT scene.
"Don't worry, Angelise-sama! AS Roberta-sensei would say; 'This is a target-rich environment!'"
(to girl who threw the egg) "Let me give you something REAL to complain about."(tosses her a hand grenade with the pin pulled)
(Various sundry guards get fed their rifles the long way, or find their testicles forcibly relocated)
(Crowd flees as the front rows are SET ON FIRE)
Julio: "Oh.My. God."

UEsG Space, Monument City(Baseline)

"Umm ... How was this the more subtle approach!?!"

taalismn wrote:Oh, and let us not forget...
Jill punching Ange in the gut on her return.
This would play out instead with either Momoka bodyslamming Jill into the sand and threatening to clear her ears out with a shotgun, or the maid would simply cut off Jill's prosthetic arm and beat her unconscious with it.

Emma, who has stated her belief that norma are uneducated, rude, crude, violent, and uncivilized, would be forced to reconsider her opinions, after witnessing several of these smackdowns.

(though it's been speculated that the mana-users have been genetically tweaked by Embryo to be less violent in general, but also more prone to suggestion and societal conformity)

And it kinds of looks like the are in a sub-space pocket or something.

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Oh, and let us not forget...
Jill punching Ange in the gut on her return.
This would play out instead with either Momoka bodyslamming Jill into the sand and threatening to clear her ears out with a shotgun, or the maid would simply cut off Jill's prosthetic arm and beat her unconscious with it.

Emma, who has stated her belief that norma are uneducated, rude, crude, violent, and uncivilized, would be forced to reconsider her opinions, after witnessing several of these smackdowns.

(though it's been speculated that the mana-users have been genetically tweaked by Embryo to be less violent in general, but also more prone to suggestion and societal conformity)

Hence their propensity to shoot at each other (or allies) when confronted by Dragons.

Or the Dragons just make the go crazy.

taalismn wrote:Hence Momoka will be trained to have a laser-like focus, and to resist mind control(even though she's being indoctrinated to within a micrometer of her sanity).
Hence, at some point, Ange will use Momoka's canon line: "What's HAPPENED to you?!"*
*Sensory deprivation, hypnotherapy, repetition, and the overwhelming personality of somebody Rock called 'a killer robot from the future'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcNXq5DUZnk

Zer0 Kay wrote:Unhappy with the conclusion of Invid Invasion/New Generation and its break from the RT formula..., in our games from the old RT1e our PCs were members of an REF off shoot that was sent to a different galaxy to provide aid. All they ended up chasing the villain of the day and ended up coming back to Sol. Just as the Haydonites attack. They assist and fight off the haydonites. My character a Regis Hybrid (a human/regis mutant produced when two Regis experiments produce a child, obviously custom and non canon) contemplates the events. Then the bad guys of the day materialize and attack... with the haydonites. The battle is drawn out and believing that the only way to achieve victory is to ally with the primary enemy of the invid she, my character leaves to find the Regis. Because of her connection, she finds her quickly having already settled on a planet. Only a hope that the FoL would grow. My character shows her the evolutionary gap she fills to capture the attention of the Regis. She manages to convince the regis that humans were as much a victim of the shadow as the Invid. She went on to convince her that as the light to the haydonites shadow she would be no better than the shadow if she left the humans to be destroyed by the haydonites. She also offered her the lions share of all protoculture produced on Earthif she and her invid wanted to share the planet with the Invid returning to their peaceful life as cultivators and humanity becoming their protectors. Somehow the Regis caves and the two grow new warmachines. Among them, phasing ships, a carrier with a variable geometry force field (like a CADS) ramming prow organic versions of human mecha. Formula, reestablished. (f= aliens attack humans, humans fight back, miraculously survive and surviving alien leadership befriend humans just in time to fight new alien invasion).

Interesting.

taalismn wrote:Yeah, having a (effectively) alien goddess-level being as your ally is a GOOD thing.
Having that same alien goddess-level being trying to get you in bed with her is NOT necessarily a good thing(ask Shinji Ikari-Sterling).

Zer0 Kay wrote:

taalismn wrote:Yeah, having a (effectively) alien goddess-level being as your ally is a GOOD thing.
Having that same alien goddess-level being trying to get you in bed with her is NOT necessarily a good thing(ask Shinji Ikari-Sterling).

or Zor. A jilted human woman is one thing...

Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Do Invid leave "snailtrails"?

Tusk? did you mean Task? MULTIPLE faceplants. how many times does he need beat? Tsundere could describe Ange but what character type describes Task? He is like the evolution of Ranma Saotome through Kazuya Aoi with a little Tomoki Sakurai shaken on top (i.e. The poor unintentional harem guy, combined with the harmless and clueless non-pervert pervert with a little dash of true pervert).

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Oh, and let us not forget...
Jill punching Ange in the gut on her return.
This would play out instead with either Momoka bodyslamming Jill into the sand and threatening to clear her ears out with a shotgun, or the maid would simply cut off Jill's prosthetic arm and beat her unconscious with it.

Emma, who has stated her belief that norma are uneducated, rude, crude, violent, and uncivilized, would be forced to reconsider her opinions, after witnessing several of these smackdowns.

(though it's been speculated that the mana-users have been genetically tweaked by Embryo to be less violent in general, but also more prone to suggestion and societal conformity)

Hence their propensity to shoot at each other (or allies) when confronted by Dragons.

I haven't seen that far:( but I'm guessing that either the human mama is derived from dragons probably in something horrific like perpetual torture or the dragons eminated such a large amount of mama that it drives humans crazy. What if the "humans" are genetically engineered with dragon DNA and proximity causes erratic behavior from the dragon DNA reacting on its own accord? Hmm. Can't wait for more episodes.

Zer0 Kay wrote:[

Tusk? did you mean Task? MULTIPLE faceplants. how many times does he need beat? Tsundere could describe Ange but what character type describes Task? He is like the evolution of Ranma Saotome through Kazuya Aoi with a little Tomoki Sakurai shaken on top (i.e. The poor unintentional harem guy, combined with the harmless and clueless non-pervert pervert with a little dash of true pervert).

There's been some discussion that Tusk's passive behavior makes him an enabler to Ange's outbursts of violence(themselves spurred by her inept attempts to get control of her life).
The most obvious parallels, though, which have been baldly made, is that he's a clone of Kira 'Jesus' Yamato, with Ange being a much angrier Lacus( complete with royalty background, and celeb-level singing).
But yeah, if he hadn't been KNOCKED OUT, I'd wish he'd stood up, looked the two DRAGON girls in the eye and warned them off with something along the lines of 'Could you come back later, say, when one or both of us aren't virgins any longer?!" or "YOU! DO! NOT! INTERRUPT! THE! ROMANTIC! MOMENT!"

Of course, this being a Crossover Thread, the UEsG CDU* come up behind the DRAGONs, night-stick 'em, and arrest them for public disturbance, assault, attempted assault, property damage, Bad Timing, and Mood-Killing(the last really isn't a crime, except to the officers who were 'monitoring' the situation in the bedroom for some cheap yucks).

*Why would the CDU be here? Well, if the ruined post-apocalyptic Earth-world isn't the DRAGONs' new homeland, then it's being explored/patrolled by the UEsG with general status as a 'monument' world(similar to post 3rd Impact NGE Earth), with either the CDU or the REP acting as 'park rangers'. Kinda grim work, considering there's still desiccated corpses in the city, but if you're just wandering around the countryside, rather boring.

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Zer0 Kay wrote:

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Do Invid leave "snailtrails"?

Tusk? did you mean Task? MULTIPLE faceplants. how many times does he need beat? Tsundere could describe Ange but what character type describes Task? He is like the evolution of Ranma Saotome through Kazuya Aoi with a little Tomoki Sakurai shaken on top (i.e. The poor unintentional harem guy, combined with the harmless and clueless non-pervert pervert with a little dash of true pervert).

Zer0 Kay wrote:

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Oh, and let us not forget...
Jill punching Ange in the gut on her return.
This would play out instead with either Momoka bodyslamming Jill into the sand and threatening to clear her ears out with a shotgun, or the maid would simply cut off Jill's prosthetic arm and beat her unconscious with it.

Emma, who has stated her belief that norma are uneducated, rude, crude, violent, and uncivilized, would be forced to reconsider her opinions, after witnessing several of these smackdowns.

(though it's been speculated that the mana-users have been genetically tweaked by Embryo to be less violent in general, but also more prone to suggestion and societal conformity)

Hence their propensity to shoot at each other (or allies) when confronted by Dragons.

I haven't seen that far:( but I'm guessing that either the human mama is derived from dragons probably in something horrific like perpetual torture or the dragons eminated such a large amount of mama that it drives humans crazy. What if the "humans" are genetically engineered with dragon DNA and proximity causes erratic behavior from the dragon DNA reacting on its own accord? Hmm. Can't wait for more episodes.

Was thinking something along those lines myself. But now, not so sure. But it could still be true.

taalismn wrote:

Zer0 Kay wrote:[

Tusk? did you mean Task? MULTIPLE faceplants. how many times does he need beat? Tsundere could describe Ange but what character type describes Task? He is like the evolution of Ranma Saotome through Kazuya Aoi with a little Tomoki Sakurai shaken on top (i.e. The poor unintentional harem guy, combined with the harmless and clueless non-pervert pervert with a little dash of true pervert).

There's been some discussion that Tusk's passive behavior makes him an enabler to Ange's outbursts of violence(themselves spurred by her inept attempts to get control of her life).
The most obvious parallels, though, which have been baldly made, is that he's a clone of Kira 'Jesus' Yamato, with Ange being a much angrier Lacus( complete with royalty background, and celeb-level singing).
But yeah, if he hadn't been KNOCKED OUT, I'd wish he'd stood up, looked the two DRAGON girls in the eye and warned them off with something along the lines of 'Could you come back later, say, when one or both of us aren't virgins any longer?!" or "YOU! DO! NOT! INTERRUPT! THE! ROMANTIC! MOMENT!"

Of course, this being a Crossover Thread, the UEsG CDU* come up behind the DRAGONs, night-stick 'em, and arrest them for public disturbance, assault, attempted assault, property damage, Bad Timing, and Mood-Killing(the last really isn't a crime, except to the officers who were 'monitoring' the situation in the bedroom for some cheap yucks).

*Why would the CDU be here? Well, if the ruined post-apocalyptic Earth-world isn't the DRAGONs' new homeland, then it's being explored/patrolled by the UEsG with general status as a 'monument' world(similar to post 3rd Impact NGE Earth), with either the CDU or the REP acting as 'park rangers'. Kinda grim work, considering there's still desiccated corpses in the city, but if you're just wandering around the countryside, rather boring.

And its a city, so ya, the CDU would be there. But since its ruins with at lot of plant overgrowth, maybe a joint expedition between the 2.

The important thing is, the new characters, the two DRAGON-girls...they interrupted FAN SERVICE! There's gotta be a law against that! You can't build up the tense relationship, the almost-did-shoulda-come-out-with-its, the post-traumatic-stress-blow-up-break-up-make-up, the hard-to-get, the laying-bare-of-souls, then the steamy romance tease, and then have these two arch-eyed mood-killers just waltz in and shatter the moment and expect them to go UNPUNISHED!
If this was Dana Sterling and Zor, Dana would be chasing them over hill and dale in her Hovertank, screaming invective and letting off cannon shots like Linna Inverse throws Fire Arrows.

Miriya Sterling would have chased them down and shot them full of holes already.

Claudia Grant would be force-feeding them their own scanty garments.

Rook Bartley would be buckshotting them with frag missiles.

Sammy would be selling them to an Indonesian brothel.

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Max: "And this was the guy who's world you wanted to rock, Dana!?!"

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Max: "And this was the guy who's world you wanted to rock, Dana!?!"

Dana: " At least I don't have fantisies that include: my significant other being 40 feet tall and me in a scuba suit... DAD!!

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Max: "And this was the guy who's world you wanted to rock, Dana!?!"

Zor Prime: "THAT memory... is one I really wish I didn't share with my... predecessor."
Rem: "Ah, when 'Sentinels became de-canonized, does that mean the episode where, while I'm under the effects of Garudan atmosphere, the Regis makes me relive my genetic memories, is mercifully CUT from the continua? It is cut, isn't it?"

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Max: "And this was the guy who's world you wanted to rock, Dana!?!"

Zor Prime: "THAT memory... is one I really wish I didn't share with my... predecessor."
Rem: "Ah, when 'Sentinels became de-canonized, does that mean the episode where, while I'm under the effects of Garudan atmosphere, the Regis makes me relive my genetic memories, is mercifully CUT from the continua? It is cut, isn't it?"

Zor Prime: from main canon yes, but it's still secondary canon so think of it less like a memory less and more like a recollection... or just dont think of it at all.

Blooper-Zor: "At least your girlfriend hasn't set you on fire..."
Tusk: "..yet..."
Ange: "I HEARD THAT!"

(Though betting is, episode 15 finds Tusk at the bottom of a pile of DRAGONgirls).

taalismn wrote:Blooper-Zor: "At least your girlfriend hasn't set you on fire..."
Tusk: "..yet..."
Ange: "I HEARD THAT!"

(Though betting is, episode 15 finds Tusk at the bottom of a pile of DRAGONgirls).

I must be watching a bad translation...
Task (from under the pile): It's a misunderstanding!

Task (after Ange gets ahold of him, an eye hanging out of a socket and the other swolen shut, jaw torqued to one side and enough teeth missing to look like the classic hillbillie bumpkin).
Thank you for not over reacting.

taalismn wrote:The important thing is, the new characters, the two DRAGON-girls...they interrupted FAN SERVICE! There's gotta be a law against that! You can't build up the tense relationship, the almost-did-shoulda-come-out-with-its, the post-traumatic-stress-blow-up-break-up-make-up, the hard-to-get, the laying-bare-of-souls, then the steamy romance tease, and then have these two arch-eyed mood-killers just waltz in and shatter the moment and expect them to go UNPUNISHED!
If this was Dana Sterling and Zor, Dana would be chasing them over hill and dale in her Hovertank, screaming invective and letting off cannon shots like Linna Inverse throws Fire Arrows.

Miriya Sterling would have chased them down and shot them full of holes already.

Claudia Grant would be force-feeding them their own scanty garments.

Rook Bartley would be buckshotting them with frag missiles.

Sammy would be selling them to an Indonesian brothel.

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Max: "And this was the guy who's world you wanted to rock, Dana!?!"

Zer0 Kay wrote:

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Max: "And this was the guy who's world you wanted to rock, Dana!?!"

Dana: " At least I don't have fantisies that include: my significant other being 40 feet tall and me in a scuba suit... DAD!!

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Max: "And this was the guy who's world you wanted to rock, Dana!?!"

Zor Prime: "THAT memory... is one I really wish I didn't share with my... predecessor."
Rem: "Ah, when 'Sentinels became de-canonized, does that mean the episode where, while I'm under the effects of Garudan atmosphere, the Regis makes me relive my genetic memories, is mercifully CUT from the continua? It is cut, isn't it?"

Zer0 Kay wrote:

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Tusk: "Try faceplanting in your significant other's crotch before you're even a couple."
Zor: "I shagged a slug. Or rather an evolved slug-like being. Does that count?"

Max: "And this was the guy who's world you wanted to rock, Dana!?!"

Zor Prime: "THAT memory... is one I really wish I didn't share with my... predecessor."
Rem: "Ah, when 'Sentinels became de-canonized, does that mean the episode where, while I'm under the effects of Garudan atmosphere, the Regis makes me relive my genetic memories, is mercifully CUT from the continua? It is cut, isn't it?"

Zor Prime: from main canon yes, but it's still secondary canon so think of it less like a memory less and more like a recollection... or just dont think of it at all.

taalismn wrote:Blooper-Zor: "At least your girlfriend hasn't set you on fire..."
Tusk: "..yet..."
Ange: "I HEARD THAT!"

(Though betting is, episode 15 finds Tusk at the bottom of a pile of DRAGONgirls).

Honestly, won't be surprised.

Zer0 Kay wrote:

taalismn wrote:Blooper-Zor: "At least your girlfriend hasn't set you on fire..."
Tusk: "..yet..."
Ange: "I HEARD THAT!"

(Though betting is, episode 15 finds Tusk at the bottom of a pile of DRAGONgirls).

I must be watching a bad translation...
Task (from under the pile): It's a misunderstanding!

Task (after Ange gets ahold of him, an eye hanging out of a socket and the other swolen shut, jaw torqued to one side and enough teeth missing to look like the classic hillbillie bumpkin).
Thank you for not over reacting.

Anime Boyfriend Power: Regeneration
(looking at Tusk) "Are you SURE you're not a Time Lord?"

taalismn wrote:Anime Boyfriend Power: Regeneration
(looking at Tusk) "Are you SURE you're not a Time Lord?"

Nope, Tusk was just built using the Teenagers From Outer Space mechanics.

Ah, Regeneration plus Blinding Ninja Reflexes(w/ Limitation: Extreme Klutz at Love Life, w/ attendant Foot-in-Mouth Syndrome).
Compare to Rick Hunter: Ace Piloting Skills and Perception, Limitation: Love Triangle Idiot w/ True Love Blindness.

taalismn wrote:Anime Boyfriend Power: Regeneration
(looking at Tusk) "Are you SURE you're not a Time Lord?"

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Anime Boyfriend Power: Regeneration
(looking at Tusk) "Are you SURE you're not a Time Lord?"

Nope, Tusk was just built using the Teenagers From Outer Space mechanics.

taalismn wrote:Ah, Regeneration plus Blinding Ninja Reflexes(w/ Limitation: Extreme Klutz at Love Life, w/ attendant Foot-in-Mouth Syndrome).
Compare to Rick Hunter: Ace Piloting Skills and Perception, Limitation: Love Triangle Idiot w/ True Love Blindness.

...and Cross Ange #15 looks to be truly cringeworthy...
Jettison all dignity, folks...
And yeah, DRAGONs seem slated as good guys/gals*. Plus they're Japanese-themed, while evil Embryo and foolish ugly Mana-users seem based on rapacious, energy-hungry, internet-ap-brainwashed, out-of-synch-with-natural-order-of-things Westerners.

*Coco, you just had the dumb misfortune of being torn to pieces and EATEN by misunderstood Goodniks just defending their species.

taalismn wrote:Blooper-Zor: "At least your girlfriend hasn't set you on fire..."
Tusk: "..yet..."
Ange: "I HEARD THAT!"

(Though betting is, episode 15 finds Tusk at the bottom of a pile of DRAGONgirls).

"Strapped to a table, surrounded by DRAGONgirls ... Close enough. Ok, we owe taalismn a Coke."

taalismn wrote:...and Cross Ange #15 looks to be truly cringeworthy...
Jettison all dignity, folks...
And yeah, DRAGONs seem slated as good guys/gals*. Plus they're Japanese-themed, while evil Embryo and foolish ugly Mana-users seem based on rapacious, energy-hungry, internet-ap-brainwashed, out-of-synch-with-natural-order-of-things Westerners.

*Coco, you just had the dumb misfortune of being torn to pieces and EATEN by misunderstood Goodniks just defending their species.

Classic trope...

Opposing Heroes: "Yep! sorry about slaughtering you're people for years, but hey! You slaughtered some of mine! So we're even. Now lets fight our common cause!"

Cross Ange in the (Infinite)Time-Loops?

“Oh no...not again...”

Yeah, given what ELSE is looping, why not? Well...maybe not. Maybe it’s not as clear-cut as simply putting Ange through Groundhog Day.
Let’s first see what makes a good Loop(er):

-Size---And by this I mean length and depth of storyline. At only fifteen episodes so far, the Cross Ange universe isn’t terribly fleshed out, and there isn’y much leeway for going off on tangents, due to its narrow focus, compared to, say, the Star Trek, Star Wars, or Ranma worldlines.

-Popularity---A wide and accepting fanbase seems to be a good basis for a Looping universe, something akin to the Heinlein ‘universe as myth’ idea where the most popular and vivid fictional universes come to life in part due to so many people believing in them. Cross Ange is arguably too young, unknown, and not terribly well-regarded*(except, perhaps, by people who want to CHANGE it).

-Suitable Anchor---Looping universes need stable(or consistent) Anchors to keep them going. Of the Original Seven, the Anchors for the universes were people like Ranma Saotome, Lina Inverse, Harry Potter, Usagi Tsukina, Ichigo Kurosaki, and Naruto Uzumaki. Looping universes need Anchors that aren’t going to immediately crack under the strain of repetition(they can go insane later). Shinji Ikari is an exceptional case of an Anchor who actually becomes stable and sane as a result of the Loops, possibly because the Impact event was traumatizing enough. Being the main character, though, is not always a sign you’d make a good Anchor. The DC-verse almost had to be put in Read-Only mode by the Admins because their first choice of an Anchor, Superman, kept mentally crashing when his universe Looped off-baseline.
On the other hand, the Red Vs. Blue TimeLoops Anchor is Caboose, for whatever reasons. Amazingly, the Reds and Blues see this as a GOOD thing.
In my Robotech Loops(which, by date, I consider 3rd or 4th generation Loops), Rick Hunter is the Anchor(over Lisa Hayes, who proved in-canon to be somewhat prone to nervous breakdowns), with Lisa becoming his co-Anchor.
In Cross Ange, Ange is NOT my first choice for an Anchor; I figure, depending on where the Loop starts, if she had to suffer the sort of @%$& she does, over and over again, she’d quickly go mad. And she displays a sort of wishywashy-ness with regards to what she’s going to do, in part due to her lingering royal whineyness and impulsive desire to regain some control of her life. Having to relive being thrashed around, her family destroyed, her life jeopardized, and THEN learning that it’s all due to a cosmic computer glitch and will she please stand by for an unknown amount of time while we fix it? would just crack her and put her in a catatonic state, fit for a straitjacket(after a few Loops of bloody violence). So, who would be a more suitable Anchor? Jill? Maybe, but Jill’s even more inclined to go serious-hate-on because she’s, and Libertus, being put on hold by god-like beings playing power games with reality. Jill hates Embryo enough as is, and even Belldandy-level explanation won’t help bring Jill around. At worst, she might go Sakura-Syndrome(after a few dozen Loops of Setsuna Syndrome), cracking and treating people even worse because, until the Admins fix The Crash, what she does to them will simply be forgotten in the next reset. The ugliest possible outcome might be either a thoroughly insane Ange or Jill somehow reaching a state where they can Ascend, just to crash the whole damned universe line and either get it locked or erased.
No, my selection for Anchor would be Momoka Oginome, Ange’s personal maid. She’s stable and steadfast, and though she’d be terribly frightened and frustrated by her initial Loops, especially if Ange suffered even more due to her actions or inactions, she’d take the explanation of the Loops much more easily and in stride. Given a few hundred go-rounds and some Fused Loops, she’d begin being able to make a difference(besides knowing that she’s being used to bait Ange into a trap, once she began filling her Subspace Pockets.....never underestimate anime meidos). She’d also be more easily able to ease new Ange loopers into the knowledge of what’s happening to them. She probably starts early, depending on when the Cross Ange Loops incept; getting ON the transport taking Ange to Arzenal, or the next flight, for example).

All in all, Cross Ange Loopers would probably hope to spend as much time as possible in Loops OUTSIDE their home loops, because their baseline is such a crapsack place to be. Cross Ange Loopers inside their home Loops will quickly and consistantly work to derail the flow of events in their universe in increasingly grim humor(cue outtakes of Jill’s ‘exam’ of Ange going terribly wrong).
So, I’d see the succession of Loopers in Cross Ange as follows:
*Momoka(my choice for Anchor)(Momoka starts getting scary to even Mana-users after she spends a few Hogwarts Loops learning genuine magic)
*Ange(would be a basketcase the first hundred Loops unless there’s another Looper to help her out)
*Tusk(would be really scary if he spent a few Naruto Loops)
*Vivian(Yeah, Vivian. She’s already a DRAGON, so she’ll take the Loops in stride)
*Hilda(Hilda would likely spend several hundred Loops just destroying stuff for the hell of it, much to the older Loopers’ consternation. If she ever Looped into Star Wars, she’d be a shoe-in for Sith apprentice)
*Salia(the thought of Salia Looping into a Sailor Moon Loop is a cringe-worthy one, if for no other reason than the reaction of the canon Sailor Moon characters and established Loopers to fan-girling Salia)

taalismn wrote:...and Cross Ange #15 looks to be truly cringeworthy...
Jettison all dignity, folks...
And yeah, DRAGONs seem slated as good guys/gals*. Plus they're Japanese-themed, while evil Embryo and foolish ugly Mana-users seem based on rapacious, energy-hungry, internet-ap-brainwashed, out-of-synch-with-natural-order-of-things Westerners.

*Coco, you just had the dumb misfortune of being torn to pieces and EATEN by misunderstood Goodniks just defending their species.

Ya, unforinitly, Japan anime tends to do that sometimes. But, at least we know who the real bad guy is. He definitely needs to die! And won't it be funny when they finally free that big dragon, and all the manna users become normals.

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:Blooper-Zor: "At least your girlfriend hasn't set you on fire..."
Tusk: "..yet..."
Ange: "I HEARD THAT!"

(Though betting is, episode 15 finds Tusk at the bottom of a pile of DRAGONgirls).

"Strapped to a table, surrounded by DRAGONgirls ... Close enough. Ok, we owe taalismn a Coke."

Yes. Very good call there!

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:...and Cross Ange #15 looks to be truly cringeworthy...
Jettison all dignity, folks...
And yeah, DRAGONs seem slated as good guys/gals*. Plus they're Japanese-themed, while evil Embryo and foolish ugly Mana-users seem based on rapacious, energy-hungry, internet-ap-brainwashed, out-of-synch-with-natural-order-of-things Westerners.

*Coco, you just had the dumb misfortune of being torn to pieces and EATEN by misunderstood Goodniks just defending their species.

Classic trope...

Opposing Heroes: "Yep! sorry about slaughtering you're people for years, but hey! You slaughtered some of mine! So we're even. Now lets fight our common cause!"

I can go for that!

taalismn wrote:Cross Ange in the (Infinite)Time-Loops?

“Oh no...not again...”

Yeah, given what ELSE is looping, why not? Well...maybe not. Maybe it’s not as clear-cut as simply putting Ange through Groundhog Day.
Let’s first see what makes a good Loop(er):

-Size---And by this I mean length and depth of storyline. At only fifteen episodes so far, the Cross Ange universe isn’t terribly fleshed out, and there isn’y much leeway for going off on tangents, due to its narrow focus, compared to, say, the Star Trek, Star Wars, or Ranma worldlines.

-Popularity---A wide and accepting fanbase seems to be a good basis for a Looping universe, something akin to the Heinlein ‘universe as myth’ idea where the most popular and vivid fictional universes come to life in part due to so many people believing in them. Cross Ange is arguably too young, unknown, and not terribly well-regarded*(except, perhaps, by people who want to CHANGE it).

-Suitable Anchor---Looping universes need stable(or consistent) Anchors to keep them going. Of the Original Seven, the Anchors for the universes were people like Ranma Saotome, Lina Inverse, Harry Potter, Usagi Tsukina, Ichigo Kurosaki, and Naruto Uzumaki. Looping universes need Anchors that aren’t going to immediately crack under the strain of repetition(they can go insane later). Shinji Ikari is an exceptional case of an Anchor who actually becomes stable and sane as a result of the Loops, possibly because the Impact event was traumatizing enough. Being the main character, though, is not always a sign you’d make a good Anchor. The DC-verse almost had to be put in Read-Only mode by the Admins because their first choice of an Anchor, Superman, kept mentally crashing when his universe Looped off-baseline.
On the other hand, the Red Vs. Blue TimeLoops Anchor is Caboose, for whatever reasons. Amazingly, the Reds and Blues see this as a GOOD thing.
In my Robotech Loops(which, by date, I consider 3rd or 4th generation Loops), Rick Hunter is the Anchor(over Lisa Hayes, who proved in-canon to be somewhat prone to nervous breakdowns), with Lisa becoming his co-Anchor.
In Cross Ange, Ange is NOT my first choice for an Anchor; I figure, depending on where the Loop starts, if she had to suffer the sort of @%$& she does, over and over again, she’d quickly go mad. And she displays a sort of wishywashy-ness with regards to what she’s going to do, in part due to her lingering royal whineyness and impulsive desire to regain some control of her life. Having to relive being thrashed around, her family destroyed, her life jeopardized, and THEN learning that it’s all due to a cosmic computer glitch and will she please stand by for an unknown amount of time while we fix it? would just crack her and put her in a catatonic state, fit for a straitjacket(after a few Loops of bloody violence). So, who would be a more suitable Anchor? Jill? Maybe, but Jill’s even more inclined to go serious-hate-on because she’s, and Libertus, being put on hold by god-like beings playing power games with reality. Jill hates Embryo enough as is, and even Belldandy-level explanation won’t help bring Jill around. At worst, she might go Sakura-Syndrome(after a few dozen Loops of Setsuna Syndrome), cracking and treating people even worse because, until the Admins fix The Crash, what she does to them will simply be forgotten in the next reset. The ugliest possible outcome might be either a thoroughly insane Ange or Jill somehow reaching a state where they can Ascend, just to crash the whole damned universe line and either get it locked or erased.
No, my selection for Anchor would be Momoka Oginome, Ange’s personal maid. She’s stable and steadfast, and though she’d be terribly frightened and frustrated by her initial Loops, especially if Ange suffered even more due to her actions or inactions, she’d take the explanation of the Loops much more easily and in stride. Given a few hundred go-rounds and some Fused Loops, she’d begin being able to make a difference(besides knowing that she’s being used to bait Ange into a trap, once she began filling her Subspace Pockets.....never underestimate anime meidos). She’d also be more easily able to ease new Ange loopers into the knowledge of what’s happening to them. She probably starts early, depending on when the Cross Ange Loops incept; getting ON the transport taking Ange to Arzenal, or the next flight, for example).

All in all, Cross Ange Loopers would probably hope to spend as much time as possible in Loops OUTSIDE their home loops, because their baseline is such a crapsack place to be. Cross Ange Loopers inside their home Loops will quickly and consistantly work to derail the flow of events in their universe in increasingly grim humor(cue outtakes of Jill’s ‘exam’ of Ange going terribly wrong).
So, I’d see the succession of Loopers in Cross Ange as follows:
*Momoka(my choice for Anchor)(Momoka starts getting scary to even Mana-users after she spends a few Hogwarts Loops learning genuine magic)
*Ange(would be a basketcase the first hundred Loops unless there’s another Looper to help her out)
*Tusk(would be really scary if he spent a few Naruto Loops)
*Vivian(Yeah, Vivian. She’s already a DRAGON, so she’ll take the Loops in stride)
*Hilda(Hilda would likely spend several hundred Loops just destroying stuff for the hell of it, much to the older Loopers’ consternation. If she ever Looped into Star Wars, she’d be a shoe-in for Sith apprentice)
*Salia(the thought of Salia Looping into a Sailor Moon Loop is a cringe-worthy one, if for no other reason than the reaction of the canon Sailor Moon characters and established Loopers to fan-girling Salia)

Sounds like Momoka and Tusk are the best choices! So when will you start writing a few of them! I so love these!

Alpha 11 wrote:

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:(Though betting is, episode 15 finds Tusk at the bottom of a pile of DRAGONgirls).

"Strapped to a table, surrounded by DRAGONgirls ... Close enough. Ok, we owe taalismn a Coke."

Yes. Very good call there!

SRoss: (Watching the effects on taalismn) "Hmmm ... Things not to enhance with Protoculture ... Petite Cola."

Alpha 11 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Cross Ange in the (Infinite)Time-Loops?
So, I’d see the succession of Loopers in Cross Ange as follows:
*Momoka(my choice for Anchor)(Momoka starts getting scary to even Mana-users after she spends a few Hogwarts Loops learning genuine magic)
*Ange(would be a basketcase the first hundred Loops unless there’s another Looper to help her out)
*Tusk(would be really scary if he spent a few Naruto Loops)
*Vivian(Yeah, Vivian. She’s already a DRAGON, so she’ll take the Loops in stride)
*Hilda(Hilda would likely spend several hundred Loops just destroying stuff for the hell of it, much to the older Loopers’ consternation. If she ever Looped into Star Wars, she’d be a shoe-in for Sith apprentice)
*Salia(the thought of Salia Looping into a Sailor Moon Loop is a cringe-worthy one, if for no other reason than the reaction of the canon Sailor Moon characters and established Loopers to fan-girling Salia)

Sounds like Momoka and Tusk are the best choices! So when will you start writing a few of them! I so love these!

I don't know, what about Salia and Dana teaming up after encountering the Madoka? The Captain who struggled to become a disciplined leader, and the officer who couldn't find discipline if you hit her in the face with the Oxford Dictionary.

SRoss wrote:[
I don't know, what about Salia and Dana teaming up after encountering the Madoka? The Captain who struggled to become a disciplined leader, and the officer who couldn't find discipline if you hit her in the face with the Oxford Dictionary.

The thing is, Salia's got a flagpole up her---- and is something of a gloyhound, whereas Dana's got this duty-at-the-expense-of-proper-protocol thing going. It would either be a match made in heaven, with Dana actually teaching, big sister-style, Salia how to pay attention to what's REALLY important in combat, or a long tour in hell, with Dana trying her damnest NOT to strangle Salia("Is this how Nova feels?").

Commander Jill will be of NO use in this, because both she and Emma will still be hospitalized following a cavity search gone bad.

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:[
I don't know, what about Salia and Dana teaming up after encountering the Madoka? The Captain who struggled to become a disciplined leader, and the officer who couldn't find discipline if you hit her in the face with the Oxford Dictionary.

The thing is, Salia's got a flagpole up her---- and is something of a gloyhound, whereas Dana's got this duty-at-the-expense-of-proper-protocol thing going. It would either be a match made in heaven, with Dana actually teaching, big sister-style, Salia how to pay attention to what's REALLY important in combat, or a long tour in hell, with Dana trying her damnest NOT to strangle Salia("Is this how Nova feels?").

Commander Jill will be of NO use in this, because both she and Emma will still be hospitalized following a cavity search gone bad.

Too bad, I thought maybe Emma show off her bullwhip skill. Secretly she's seen every Indiana Jones movie made, and been practicing behind the base when she thought no one was looking.

SRoss wrote:[

Too bad, I thought maybe Emma show off her bullwhip skill. Secretly she's seen every Indiana Jones movie made, and been practicing behind the base when she thought no one was looking.

Yeah, well, when you run into a IED in a IUD without an EOD, you're just SOL, unless you LIKE being in the ICU.

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:[

Too bad, I thought maybe Emma show off her bullwhip skill. Secretly she's seen every Indiana Jones movie made, and been practicing behind the base when she thought no one was looking.

Yeah, well, when you run into a IED in a IUD without an EOD, you're just SOL, unless you LIKE being in the ICU.

Dr. Grant: "I'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole..."

Yeah, Momoka's seen too many 'women in prison' flicks in her Loops. She was rather proud of the idea of booby-trapping Ange's underwear with a directional charge.

Maggy: "The good news, Jill, is that your prosthetic arm missed your liver. The bed news is, it really doesn't fit Emma's mouth."

SRoss wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:(Though betting is, episode 15 finds Tusk at the bottom of a pile of DRAGONgirls).

"Strapped to a table, surrounded by DRAGONgirls ... Close enough. Ok, we owe taalismn a Coke."

Yes. Very good call there!

SRoss: (Watching the effects on taalismn) "Hmmm ... Things not to enhance with Protoculture ... Petite Cola."

Alpha 11 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Cross Ange in the (Infinite)Time-Loops?
So, I’d see the succession of Loopers in Cross Ange as follows:
*Momoka(my choice for Anchor)(Momoka starts getting scary to even Mana-users after she spends a few Hogwarts Loops learning genuine magic)
*Ange(would be a basketcase the first hundred Loops unless there’s another Looper to help her out)
*Tusk(would be really scary if he spent a few Naruto Loops)
*Vivian(Yeah, Vivian. She’s already a DRAGON, so she’ll take the Loops in stride)
*Hilda(Hilda would likely spend several hundred Loops just destroying stuff for the hell of it, much to the older Loopers’ consternation. If she ever Looped into Star Wars, she’d be a shoe-in for Sith apprentice)
*Salia(the thought of Salia Looping into a Sailor Moon Loop is a cringe-worthy one, if for no other reason than the reaction of the canon Sailor Moon characters and established Loopers to fan-girling Salia)

Sounds like Momoka and Tusk are the best choices! So when will you start writing a few of them! I so love these!

I don't know, what about Salia and Dana teaming up after encountering the Madoka? The Captain who struggled to become a disciplined leader, and the officer who couldn't find discipline if you hit her in the face with the Oxford Dictionary.

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:[
I don't know, what about Salia and Dana teaming up after encountering the Madoka? The Captain who struggled to become a disciplined leader, and the officer who couldn't find discipline if you hit her in the face with the Oxford Dictionary.

The thing is, Salia's got a flagpole up her---- and is something of a gloyhound, whereas Dana's got this duty-at-the-expense-of-proper-protocol thing going. It would either be a match made in heaven, with Dana actually teaching, big sister-style, Salia how to pay attention to what's REALLY important in combat, or a long tour in hell, with Dana trying her damnest NOT to strangle Salia("Is this how Nova feels?").

Commander Jill will be of NO use in this, because both she and Emma will still be hospitalized following a cavity search gone bad.

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:[
I don't know, what about Salia and Dana teaming up after encountering the Madoka? The Captain who struggled to become a disciplined leader, and the officer who couldn't find discipline if you hit her in the face with the Oxford Dictionary.

The thing is, Salia's got a flagpole up her---- and is something of a gloyhound, whereas Dana's got this duty-at-the-expense-of-proper-protocol thing going. It would either be a match made in heaven, with Dana actually teaching, big sister-style, Salia how to pay attention to what's REALLY important in combat, or a long tour in hell, with Dana trying her damnest NOT to strangle Salia("Is this how Nova feels?").

Commander Jill will be of NO use in this, because both she and Emma will still be hospitalized following a cavity search gone bad.

Too bad, I thought maybe Emma show off her bullwhip skill. Secretly she's seen every Indiana Jones movie made, and been practicing behind the base when she thought no one was looking.

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:[

Too bad, I thought maybe Emma show off her bullwhip skill. Secretly she's seen every Indiana Jones movie made, and been practicing behind the base when she thought no one was looking.

Yeah, well, when you run into a IED in a IUD without an EOD, you're just SOL, unless you LIKE being in the ICU.

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:[

Too bad, I thought maybe Emma show off her bullwhip skill. Secretly she's seen every Indiana Jones movie made, and been practicing behind the base when she thought no one was looking.

Yeah, well, when you run into a IED in a IUD without an EOD, you're just SOL, unless you LIKE being in the ICU.

Dr. Grant: "I'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole..."

taalismn wrote:Yeah, Momoka's seen too many 'women in prison' flicks in her Loops. She was rather proud of the idea of booby-trapping Ange's underwear with a directional charge.

Maggy: "The good news, Jill, is that your prosthetic arm missed your liver. The bed news is, it really doesn't fit Emma's mouth."

Really...Angelise's parents, who seem to have known SOMETHING about the whole 'para-mail pilot norma of royal blood' thing, REALLY didn't do her any favors by NOT better preparing her for being brought crashing down. Unless the whole thing wouldn't work without the pilot first getting UTTERLY psychologically crushed.
THis puts them in, if not Bad Parent territory, at least Lousy Parent territory. Ot negligently cruel parenting, arguably on a par with Yui Gendo, who some fans of NGE contend KNEW she was going to be absorbed into Unit-01, and in fact counted on it psychologically scarring her son(and possibly her husband as well) to further the plan of Instrumentality. If both of Ange's parents were collaborating with the norma resistance to produce a Chosen One, then they could have prepared her more carefully(like some simple mental hardening training or combat calisthenics and sage advice like 'don't bend over in strange showers').
Or, you could plug gaps in bad writing by saying that the whole reason they weren't better preparing Ange for the fall was because the 'kinder, gentler' Mana-users that Embryo created are rather simple-minded yutzes many generations removed from the paranoia and cunning of the Old Humans.