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taalismn wrote:Looking over 'Defiance' last night...didn't realize they were third season already...I THINK we mentioned an RT-Defiance crossover before, but ...
Yeah, canon RTers would be slightly non-plussed by the situation on Defiance Earth; they're used to dealing with only one or two hostile species at a time, and having the entire Earth looking like the aftermath of a Genesis Pit would be a little shocking. They're also used to cleaner skies, but they'd also remember the in-fall of material after the Rain of Death. If there's a coordinated Robotech fleet around, they'd be gainfully employed cleaning up Earth orbit(provided the Arks aren't packing too much in the way of unusual hair-trigger weaponry. Planetside, the Rters would be good with their armored milspec gear(since the general state of tech seems to be hgh-SDC among the resident Terrans). They'd be a power to contend with, especially if the Flower of Life got loose(the FoL might have some interesting interactions with the Voltan terraforming process, though).
Rifts Earth natives would feel right at home on Defiance-Earth; even find the place a bit cushy compared to home.

Was enjoying the show, but then, just stopped watching it. Got caught up in other things. Really would like to get back to watching it.

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Looking over 'Defiance' last night...didn't realize they were third season already...I THINK we mentioned an RT-Defiance crossover before, but ...
Yeah, canon RTers would be slightly non-plussed by the situation on Defiance Earth; they're used to dealing with only one or two hostile species at a time, and having the entire Earth looking like the aftermath of a Genesis Pit would be a little shocking. They're also used to cleaner skies, but they'd also remember the in-fall of material after the Rain of Death. If there's a coordinated Robotech fleet around, they'd be gainfully employed cleaning up Earth orbit(provided the Arks aren't packing too much in the way of unusual hair-trigger weaponry. Planetside, the Rters would be good with their armored milspec gear(since the general state of tech seems to be hgh-SDC among the resident Terrans). They'd be a power to contend with, especially if the Flower of Life got loose(the FoL might have some interesting interactions with the Voltan terraforming process, though).
Rifts Earth natives would feel right at home on Defiance-Earth; even find the place a bit cushy compared to home.

Really sounds like a place you can take the family to for a weekend getaway.

taalismn wrote:Oh yeah...if your family are all full-conversion 'borgs, sentient machines, dragons, superhumans, or triggerhappy nuke-armed survivalist types.

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Oh yeah...if your family are all full-conversion 'borgs, sentient machines, dragons, superhumans, or triggerhappy nuke-armed survivalist types.

Well Rand gave it a five star rating so it can't be all that bad.

taalismn wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Oh yeah...if your family are all full-conversion 'borgs, sentient machines, dragons, superhumans, or triggerhappy nuke-armed survivalist types.

Well Rand gave it a five star rating so it can't be all that bad.

Was this Concussed Rand, Rand on Spores, or Rand Previously On Fire But Now On Painkillers While the Skin Grafts Take?

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Oh yeah...if your family are all full-conversion 'borgs, sentient machines, dragons, superhumans, or triggerhappy nuke-armed survivalist types.

Well Rand gave it a five star rating so it can't be all that bad.

Was this Concussed Rand, Rand on Spores, or Rand Previously On Fire But Now On Painkillers While the Skin Grafts Take?

Nope it was when he was *Normal* although his infomation about the vacation sport *might* be some what *outdated*.

taalismn wrote:Well, they weren't exactly gearing up for tourists in either place...printing up-to-date travel brochures is a low priority.

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Well, they weren't exactly gearing up for tourists in either place...printing up-to-date travel brochures is a low priority.

Much to everyone's*delight*

Jill Grizwaled: " Hey honey check out this new vacation spot in Rand's giude to summer vacation. "

Mike Grizwaled: " it says that this place has a five star rating. "

Jil Grizwaled: " Yes and I have heard that so many people have gone there and never came back which means they like the place so much that they never wanted to come back to Dullsville. "

Mike Grizwaled: " Well I know where we are going for our summer vaction, it will be much better then Wallyworld. "

Jill Grizwaled: " I'll go and round up the kids, you start packing. "

Mike Grizwaled: " Sure thing Honey, this will be the best family vaction ever! "

Famous last words.

taalismn wrote:Burt Gummer, Tour Director.

taalismn wrote:Burt Gummer, Tour Director.

And the local Welcome Wagon brings heavy armrements and trama packs insted of meatloaf and baked goods to the dammed souls....err *Newcomers*

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Burt Gummer, Tour Director.

And the local Welcome Wagon brings heavy armaments and trauma packs instead of meatloaf and baked goods to the dammed souls....err *Newcomers*

In other words, the Tokyo 3 standard, light cross-dimensional expedition pack.

SRoss wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Burt Gummer, Tour Director.

And the local Welcome Wagon brings heavy armaments and trauma packs instead of meatloaf and baked goods to the dammed souls....err *Newcomers*

In other words, the Tokyo 3 standard, light cross-dimensional expedition pack.

"Oh damnit, I left the tac nukes at home! I hate travelling and remember what I forgot to pack only when we're almost there!"

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Burt Gummer, Tour Director.

And the local Welcome Wagon brings heavy armrements and trama packs insted of meatloaf and baked goods to the dammed souls....err *Newcomers*

SRoss wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Burt Gummer, Tour Director.

And the local Welcome Wagon brings heavy armaments and trauma packs instead of meatloaf and baked goods to the dammed souls....err *Newcomers*

In other words, the Tokyo 3 standard, light cross-dimensional expedition pack.

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:Burt Gummer, Tour Director.

And the local Welcome Wagon brings heavy armaments and trauma packs instead of meatloaf and baked goods to the dammed souls....err *Newcomers*

In other words, the Tokyo 3 standard, light cross-dimensional expedition pack.

"Oh damnit, I left the tac nukes at home! I hate travelling and remember what I forgot to pack only when we're almost there!"

"Okay. who let the Heavy Object onto the Girls' Panzer field? It does NOT qualify as a tank."
"...you really want to try enforcing that ruling?"
"I have a Bolo. It IS a tank."
"...didn't we rule no Bolos either? Because the only way anybody could win unless the Bolo ruled 'hurt feelings' were a good enough reason to throw the match."
"Okay, I concede that, but we can't have a fusion-powered war machine like that dominating the battlefield. Unless you can scare up some commandos willing to take that thing on when it's fully manned and wary, we'll need a brick to deal with a brick."
"In that case, we may want to move a hundred miles away and be grateful that we're hosting this particular tournament on the mainland and not on an Academy Ship..."

taalismn wrote:"Okay. who let the Heavy Object onto the Girls' Panzer field? It does NOT qualify as a tank."
"...you really want to try enforcing that ruling?"
"I have a Bolo. It IS a tank."
"...didn't we rule no Bolos either? Because the only way anybody could win unless the Bolo ruled 'hurt feelings' were a good enough reason to throw the match."
"Okay, I concede that, but we can't have a fusion-powered war machine like that dominating the battlefield. Unless you can scare up some commandos willing to take that thing on when it's fully manned and wary, we'll need a brick to deal with a brick."
"In that case, we may want to move a hundred miles away and be grateful that we're hosting this particular tournament on the mainland and not on an Academy Ship..."

Lisa: "Deploy Edwards!"

An orbiting Horizont drops Edwards over the Bolo.

SRoss wrote:
Lisa: "Deploy Edwards!"

An orbiting Horizont drops Edwards over the Bolo.

Ablative projectile against the Heavy Object(that's the titular menace of the anime/manga series).
Maybe Edwards will obstruct a sensor enough for the Bolo to snake a shot in.
From what little I've seen, though, Heavy Objects would be roughly equivalent to some of the light- to medium-weight 'Yavacs' that were a favorite opponent in Bolo stories.


*THere's a lot of contention about exactly what Yavacs WERE, since Laumer liked to recycle names....'Yavac' appeared to be the heavy unit of both aliens and other human forces. were initially tracked units, but later appeared in author tribute-works as legged units, copying their Deng builders.
**Adding to the confusion is the fact that Bolos appear in Laumer's Retief of the CDT seres, albeit as dumb, earlier models, although the CDT is nominally not considered part of the Concordiat/Bolo mainstream universe. If you buy into a merged universe, early Bolo models or specs might have been sold to alien races(like the Groaci) by human arms dealers like the Bogans, explaining why early 'Yavacs' would be treadlayers, until the buyers got enough confidence to build ones modeled after their own preferences.

taalismn wrote:"Okay. who let the Heavy Object onto the Girls' Panzer field? It does NOT qualify as a tank."
"...you really want to try enforcing that ruling?"
"I have a Bolo. It IS a tank."
"...didn't we rule no Bolos either? Because the only way anybody could win unless the Bolo ruled 'hurt feelings' were a good enough reason to throw the match."
"Okay, I concede that, but we can't have a fusion-powered war machine like that dominating the battlefield. Unless you can scare up some commandos willing to take that thing on when it's fully manned and wary, we'll need a brick to deal with a brick."
"In that case, we may want to move a hundred miles away and be grateful that we're hosting this particular tournament on the mainland and not on an Academy Ship..."

SRoss wrote:

taalismn wrote:"Okay. who let the Heavy Object onto the Girls' Panzer field? It does NOT qualify as a tank."
"...you really want to try enforcing that ruling?"
"I have a Bolo. It IS a tank."
"...didn't we rule no Bolos either? Because the only way anybody could win unless the Bolo ruled 'hurt feelings' were a good enough reason to throw the match."
"Okay, I concede that, but we can't have a fusion-powered war machine like that dominating the battlefield. Unless you can scare up some commandos willing to take that thing on when it's fully manned and wary, we'll need a brick to deal with a brick."
"In that case, we may want to move a hundred miles away and be grateful that we're hosting this particular tournament on the mainland and not on an Academy Ship..."

Lisa: "Deploy Edwards!"

An orbiting Horizont drops Edwards over the Bolo.

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:
Lisa: "Deploy Edwards!"

An orbiting Horizont drops Edwards over the Bolo.

Ablative projectile against the Heavy Object(that's the titular menace of the anime/manga series).
Maybe Edwards will obstruct a sensor enough for the Bolo to snake a shot in.
From what little I've seen, though, Heavy Objects would be roughly equivalent to some of the light- to medium-weight 'Yavacs' that were a favorite opponent in Bolo stories.


*THere's a lot of contention about exactly what Yavacs WERE, since Laumer liked to recycle names....'Yavac' appeared to be the heavy unit of both aliens and other human forces. were initially tracked units, but later appeared in author tribute-works as legged units, copying their Deng builders.
**Adding to the confusion is the fact that Bolos appear in Laumer's Retief of the CDT seres, albeit as dumb, earlier models, although the CDT is nominally not considered part of the Concordiat/Bolo mainstream universe. If you buy into a merged universe, early Bolo models or specs might have been sold to alien races(like the Groaci) by human arms dealers like the Bogans, explaining why early 'Yavacs' would be treadlayers, until the buyers got enough confidence to build ones modeled after their own preferences.

Interesting.

Not sure if this has been done yet (I'm only on page 47 so far), but here goes...
********
"Captain Hunter? Message from the ground unit."

Captain Rei Hunter sighed. An hour into this new NG universe, and already they had found every indication of a Second Impact. GMP soldiers had been dispatched to take NERV Headquarters, with Shinji winning the coin toss to lead them in 'capturing' Gendo.

"Captain Hunter here. Report."

"Ma'am, this is Sergeant Aosley. We found the target, and had to taze the crap out of him to get him to let go of the boss."

"Oh? That's new. Normally Gendo doesn't try to kill Shinji when he shows up."

There was a stifled snigger, followed by, "Actually Ma'am, that wasn't it. Gendo started screaming something about Shinji 'being alive' and asking how he escaped. This was accompanied by tears on a scale your husband would recognize, and then we had to taze Gendo because he was hugging the life out of Shinji *through* his CVR."

Rei blinked at that. Then blinked again. Then stared at the speaker. "Sergeant, you have the video logs of this, yes?"

"Of course we do, Captain. We're GMP, not the Gestapo. 'Plausible Deniability' may be fine for the politcos in our ranks, but we ground forces like our documentation. I'm uploading it now, and our report will be filed as soon as we have the sweep and clear finished."

Understood, Sergeant. Hunter out."
********
Just a 'What If' one Gendo was actually less of a conniving jerk willing to turn the world into Tang just to be able to bang his wife again? What if he was being coerced into guiding Instrumentality by Seele because they had his only son, and was in the process of subtle delaying tactics while Ryoji Kaji did the legwork in finding the local Shinji?

Feel free to enhance on this; I'm not much of a writer.

wyrmraker wrote:Not sure if this has been done yet (I'm only on page 47 so far), but here goes...
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Just a 'What If' one Gendo was actually less of a conniving jerk willing to turn the world into Tang just to be able to bang his wife again? What if he was being coerced into guiding Instrumentality by Seele because they had his only son, and was in the process of subtle delaying tactics while Ryoji Kaji did the legwork in finding the local Shinji?

Feel free to enhance on this; I'm not much of a writer.

Brilliant!

Yeah, I've seen things sorta LIKE it, where Gendo's played as a puppet by other powers, and some in which he's actively trying to protect Shinji by being a bastard or, at best, an absentee father. And one in which he and Shinji were in cahoots with the whole Instrumentality thing, with intent to hijack SEELE's plans to their own ends.

I had another one I've been wrangling around in my gourd at work. It's based off a fanfic I read a LONG time ago.
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The GMP forces had landed, silently, secretly, on the new NG-rated planet they'd found. 'The things just keep popping up,' the sergeant thought to himself, pointing out hand signals to his men as they slowly advanced through the Geofront.

The brass had gotten a wild hair on this one. Word through the grapevine had it that something really bizarre was happening here, but there was almostr no intel save the local date: 2028. Thirteen years after most of the NG worlds were in threat of the Third Impact. And yet here it was. Antarctica gone, a red mass of LCL and glow, the NERV Geofront fully active, and three weeks earlier the investigatory team had reported the seventh angel
Master Sergeant Himmons, Israfel, had been defeated by a pair of Evangelions, albeit nother was a purple one.

Master Sergeant Himmons of Charlie Team was unhappy about the lack of intel on the target. In addition to not recognizing any of the NERV personnel, none of the data cables held any information of significance, and even all of the star-faring technologies of the UEsG could figure out the interior structure of the Geofront; it was as if it was shielded somehow.

Slowly the team made their way down the web of supports holding up the city, stopping regularly to sweep for and disable sensors. Himmons faintly heard the unit's tech soldier, a Karbarran named Sh'Noz (don't laugh; more than a few ended up without their own schnozzes after laughing at the hulking teddy bear with a sensitivity), complain that a place like this shouldn't have this many sensors, booby traps, and unstable support beams.

Indeed, it seemed that whoever designed the support system was either insane or a paranoid genius. Claymore mine traps, triggered by either sensors or old fashioned wires, were scattered throughout the complex. Concussion grenades rigged to pressure plates were on every level. Several sections looked as if some of the supports had been merely lightly tack-welded, and any weight of more than a hundred pounds would cause it to drop away in an extremely loud and visible manner. Himmons only hoped that the primary ground force was making better time than his unit.

***
Finally inside of NERV itself, Epsilon Team had managed to disable the sensors, reroute the signals around their positions, and had, at long last, made it to the office of NERV's commander. Planting breaching charges on the door (after the mazes of traps, sensors, and other nasty things that the teams had reported throughout NERV, Epsilon Team was not about to take any chances), the team leader, Captain Harom, a Perytonian with a knack for this sort of thing, blew the door down as his men performed a video-perfect forced entry.

Harom caught a glimpse of a tall, slender man with a beard behind a desk before the room slammed down in front of it. Shouting orders, his men were already burning away at the obstacle. A full minute later they were through (later analysis revealed that the material was an alloy highly similar to the one used for Depleted Uranium shells), but the desk was empty. Thermographics picked up the trap door under the desk, but it would take them a while to find the trigger.

Harom was displeased at this turn of events. Partially because his quarry had gotten away, and partially because he'd bet three weeks' pay he'd bring in Gendo Ikari in a faster time than anyone else.

Then he stopped, listening carefully at the communications from other teams.
"Team Beta here. The alarms are going off everywhere! What idiot dropped the ball?!"
Team Charlie. Still in the gantries. Opposing forces heading your way, Gamma!"
"Team Delta here. NERV Command Bridge is empty! Repeat, the command bridge is empty? Does anyone know what is going on here?!"

In orbit, Captain Jeremiah Stovesh listened to the reports, confused. This wasn't going like any other NG world they'd ever found. The units were taking command of NERV, but much of it was ancient, disused, or buried in bakelite. The rest was booby-trapped and laden with sensors. It just wasn't making any sense!

***
NERV Commander Shinji Ikari rode the express egress elevator down into the reserve holding pens. Sure enough, there was Unit 01, just waiting for him.

It had taken a while, but he finally understood the full capacity of his father's work, as well as what truly drove Gendo to do what he did. Many years ago, he took ahold of Instrumentailt and somehow guided it back to where he wanted it, with no changes as far as he could tell.

And then the car accident. So much blood, more blood than he'd seen in years. His beloved wife dead, crushed by the passenger side door after it had been hit by another car.

Shortly after that, he found what he was looking for. His father's notes. The notes of both the Akagi's. His own mother's notes. Everyone's notes, project details, and so on. He rebooted the Magi, made deals with them. He found a Rei clone who had actually survived with intact memories. He took up meditation, returning (at least mentally) to a bit of the state of Instrumentality. That was where he found it. Seele's old locations, the locations of the Dead Sea Scrolls, caches of resources, of artifacts less powerful than the Lance of Longinus, but researchable nonetheless.

Nobody foresaw the third Child majoring in History. as the mini-elevator slowed as it approached the Launch Pens, Shinji marvelled at all the myriad ways man had been setting traps for other men over the millenia. Kensuke Aida was a godsend for that sort of lateral thinking. Concussion grenades to toss intruders out of hiding, claymores to kill the enemy, trapped girders sown throughout the Geofront that would drop away, sand in the old bakelite storage units to bury enemy soldiers alive, automated turrets that would fire on anyone without certain IFF signatures built into their ID badges, and land mines built under much of the floor tilings. He had learned all too well, remembering the takeover at the hands of the JSDF as well as NERV's vicious but ultimately ineffectual attempts at repelling the enemies. Preventative measure such as decentralized information lines, using as little as possible that could be hacked, eavesdropped, or decrypted.

Now he had the means to enact Instrumentality, and no government attack dogs would interfere with his plans. He understood, and had come to accept that he was in this for the same reason as his father: for the love of a good woman. No one would be able to stop him now, no matter what new toys the world's governments gave their men. He would prevail.

As his elevator slid to a stop, he stepped off of it and into a piloting chair. As the chair enclosed him, as the plug began insterting itself into Unit 01, the only other sound to be heard was, "I'm coming, Asuka."
***
In orbit, the UEsG command ship Sherman began picking up something. "Captain? I'm getting a huge AT-Field signature on the surface."
Stovesh groaned; nothing would ever be simple in this job, it seemed. "Alert the attack wings to launch. We are on full Invasion Status. Battle Stations."

Meanwhile, within the Geofront's gantries, still unseen, Master Sergeant Himmons Watched as the inverted pyramid lake flash-boiled away. There it was, the purple Eva unit. Only this time it had eight wings of AT-Field light.
Himmons groaned even as he reported it to the Sherman. If memory served, those formed some sort of anti-AT-Field. The pilots would be in for an interesting time.

*proceeds to cackle madly while rubbing hands together and walking from the AtB2 Forums*

And THAT one had also been done as a full-length fanfiction...ended up with an adult Shinji looking to break Asuka out of her coma with the help of a Maya who was promised that Instrumentality would bring back Ritsuko, and Rei as the LCL factory.
Not a nice world at all...

Commander Mary Gates inwardly cursed her luck, the half-Praxian UEEF officer commanded the VA-6B AE Monster that the Sherman had just deployed from orbit. An experimental unit designed to do what no other veritech could do, stand up to an EVA.

"Now remember Commander, your just to delay it until we can deploy our own EVAs."

Did the Captain really think that he could get them down here in time? It would take close to an hour just to get them in the transport.

SRoss wrote:Commander Mary Gates inwardly cursed her luck, the half-Praxian UEEF officer commanded the VA-6B AE Monster that the Sherman had just deployed from orbit. An experimental unit designed to do what no other veritech could do, stand up to an EVA.

"Now remember Commander, your just to delay it until we can deploy our own EVAs."

Did the Captain really think that he could get them down here in time? It would take close to an hour just to get them in the transport.

Just remember; by now they'll have anti-AT Field ammunition, and mini-Lance missiles, for anything not sporting a PPAT-Field generator.

Check out the fanfiction Cast in Gold for the ultimate anti-personnel weapon in the hands of a group of Euro-cyborg ninja; blades made from shavings of the Lance...one nick to unprotected flesh, and your target disassociates into a pool of LCL.

taalismn wrote:And THAT one had also been done as a full-length fanfiction...ended up with an adult Shinji looking to break Asuka out of her coma with the help of a Maya who was promised that Instrumentality would bring back Ritsuko, and Rei as the LCL factory.
Not a nice world at all...

I remember that story vaguely; I think I read it back in 2001 or so. It was a short one, but significant.

I was thinking more of an EVA setting where they were actually ready for invasions and attacks by humans. Using anti-guerilla strategies and tactics. And then the UEsG trying to get in there, followed by fighting a full-powered Unit-01 in addition to the NERV ground troops who have the best training and equipment that Nerv's research (and Super-Legal status) can provide.

Add into that Unit-01 at full power, it's wings forming the massive anti-AT-field, with a Shinji who actually knows what he's doing... Suddenly the UEsG is looking at a much nastier fight. I'm not saying they'd outright lose, but it'd be an extremely nasty, brutal fight, with lots of casualties on both sides.

Master Sergeant Himmons looked back at the rest of Charley Team as he fired a suppressive burst at yet another approaching squad of NERV troopers. He was the only one on his team that could still fight and if help didn't arrive soon it promised to get really ugly.

Suddenly the ceiling above the NERV troopers caved in with a cloud of dust. There was the sound of fighting and troopers firing blind, then silence as the second squad of NERV troopers moved forward cautiously. They could see no one but their own downed men.

Then in a series of rapid close quarters attacks by an individual they couldn't see, they too went down.

Major Kusanagi stood up among the fallen troopers. "Master Sargent? Can your men move?"

SRoss wrote:Master Sergeant Himmons looked back at the rest of Charley Team as he fired a suppressive burst at yet another approaching squad of NERV troopers. He was the only one on his team that could still fight and if help didn't arrive soon it promised to get really ugly.

Suddenly the ceiling above the NERV troopers caved in with a cloud of dust. There was the sound of fighting and troopers firing blind, then silence as the second squad of NERV troopers moved forward cautiously. They could see no one but their own downed men.

Then in a series of rapid close quarters attacks by an individual they couldn't see, they to went down.

Major Kusanagi stood up among the fallen troopers. "Master Sargent? Can your men move?"

An excellent addition.

I figured the Major, being who she is, would be the perfect addition to a GMP assault. And I could see her using the weakend floor sections to her advantage to get to the trapped team quickly.

Oh, absolutely. Major Kusanagi and others like her would be valued infiltrators in an urban environment. Of course, the NERV soldiers would probably freak out at the forty foot tall guys air-dropping in and securing Tokyo-3 itself, not to mention sappers with MD plasma cutters peeling off the armored doors. The sand traps would be a pain, the automated turrets would be troublesome (depending on the upgrades), and if they have some old-school fantasy types aboard the Sherman, the mines under the floor tiles could be solved with whatever the UEsG approved version of Halfling Hurling might be.

The real wild card would be Unit-01 itself. If Shinji still has the full power level at the end of the series, that can be truly dangerous. Sadly, I haven't kept track of all the various additions the UEsG has made (only actually at page 56 of the thread so far), so I can't really work up what would be in their personnel and inventory.

wyrmraker wrote:Oh, absolutely. Major Kusanagi and others like her would be valued infiltrators in an urban environment. Of course, the NERV soldiers would probably freak out at the forty foot tall guys air-dropping in and securing Tokyo-3 itself, not to mention sappers with MD plasma cutters peeling off the armored doors. The sand traps would be a pain, the automated turrets would be troublesome (depending on the upgrades), and if they have some old-school fantasy types aboard the Sherman, the mines under the floor tiles could be solved with whatever the UEsG approved version of Halfling Hurling might be.

The real wild card would be Unit-01 itself. If Shinji still has the full power level at the end of the series, that can be truly dangerous. Sadly, I haven't kept track of all the various additions the UEsG has made (only actually at page 56 of the thread so far), so I can't really work up what would be in their personnel and inventory.

I can imagine our Shinji fighting this one, only to devolve into the slug fest that was the finale fight in the second rebuild movie.

wyrmraker wrote:Not sure if this has been done yet (I'm only on page 47 so far), but here goes...
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"Captain Hunter? Message from the ground unit."

Captain Rei Hunter sighed. An hour into this new NG universe, and already they had found every indication of a Second Impact. GMP soldiers had been dispatched to take NERV Headquarters, with Shinji winning the coin toss to lead them in 'capturing' Gendo.

"Captain Hunter here. Report."

"Ma'am, this is Sergeant Aosley. We found the target, and had to taze the crap out of him to get him to let go of the boss."

"Oh? That's new. Normally Gendo doesn't try to kill Shinji when he shows up."

There was a stifled snigger, followed by, "Actually Ma'am, that wasn't it. Gendo started screaming something about Shinji 'being alive' and asking how he escaped. This was accompanied by tears on a scale your husband would recognize, and then we had to taze Gendo because he was hugging the life out of Shinji *through* his CVR."

Rei blinked at that. Then blinked again. Then stared at the speaker. "Sergeant, you have the video logs of this, yes?"

"Of course we do, Captain. We're GMP, not the Gestapo. 'Plausible Deniability' may be fine for the politcos in our ranks, but we ground forces like our documentation. I'm uploading it now, and our report will be filed as soon as we have the sweep and clear finished."

Understood, Sergeant. Hunter out."
********
Just a 'What If' one Gendo was actually less of a conniving jerk willing to turn the world into Tang just to be able to bang his wife again? What if he was being coerced into guiding Instrumentality by Seele because they had his only son, and was in the process of subtle delaying tactics while Ryoji Kaji did the legwork in finding the local Shinji?

Feel free to enhance on this; I'm not much of a writer.

Love it!

taalismn wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:Not sure if this has been done yet (I'm only on page 47 so far), but here goes...
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Just a 'What If' one Gendo was actually less of a conniving jerk willing to turn the world into Tang just to be able to bang his wife again? What if he was being coerced into guiding Instrumentality by Seele because they had his only son, and was in the process of subtle delaying tactics while Ryoji Kaji did the legwork in finding the local Shinji?

Feel free to enhance on this; I'm not much of a writer.

Brilliant!

Yeah, I've seen things sorta LIKE it, where Gendo's played as a puppet by other powers, and some in which he's actively trying to protect Shinji by being a bastard or, at best, an absentee father. And one in which he and Shinji were in cahoots with the whole Instrumentality thing, with intent to hijack SEELE's plans to their own ends.

Cool.

wyrmraker wrote:I had another one I've been wrangling around in my gourd at work. It's based off a fanfic I read a LONG time ago.
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The GMP forces had landed, silently, secretly, on the new NG-rated planet they'd found. 'The things just keep popping up,' the sergeant thought to himself, pointing out hand signals to his men as they slowly advanced through the Geofront.

The brass had gotten a wild hair on this one. Word through the grapevine had it that something really bizarre was happening here, but there was almostr no intel save the local date: 2028. Thirteen years after most of the NG worlds were in threat of the Third Impact. And yet here it was. Antarctica gone, a red mass of LCL and glow, the NERV Geofront fully active, and three weeks earlier the investigatory team had reported the seventh angel
Master Sergeant Himmons, Israfel, had been defeated by a pair of Evangelions, albeit nother was a purple one.

Master Sergeant Himmons of Charlie Team was unhappy about the lack of intel on the target. In addition to not recognizing any of the NERV personnel, none of the data cables held any information of significance, and even all of the star-faring technologies of the UEsG could figure out the interior structure of the Geofront; it was as if it was shielded somehow.

Slowly the team made their way down the web of supports holding up the city, stopping regularly to sweep for and disable sensors. Himmons faintly heard the unit's tech soldier, a Karbarran named Sh'Noz (don't laugh; more than a few ended up without their own schnozzes after laughing at the hulking teddy bear with a sensitivity), complain that a place like this shouldn't have this many sensors, booby traps, and unstable support beams.

Indeed, it seemed that whoever designed the support system was either insane or a paranoid genius. Claymore mine traps, triggered by either sensors or old fashioned wires, were scattered throughout the complex. Concussion grenades rigged to pressure plates were on every level. Several sections looked as if some of the supports had been merely lightly tack-welded, and any weight of more than a hundred pounds would cause it to drop away in an extremely loud and visible manner. Himmons only hoped that the primary ground force was making better time than his unit.

***
Finally inside of NERV itself, Epsilon Team had managed to disable the sensors, reroute the signals around their positions, and had, at long last, made it to the office of NERV's commander. Planting breaching charges on the door (after the mazes of traps, sensors, and other nasty things that the teams had reported throughout NERV, Epsilon Team was not about to take any chances), the team leader, Captain Harom, a Perytonian with a knack for this sort of thing, blew the door down as his men performed a video-perfect forced entry.

Harom caught a glimpse of a tall, slender man with a beard behind a desk before the room slammed down in front of it. Shouting orders, his men were already burning away at the obstacle. A full minute later they were through (later analysis revealed that the material was an alloy highly similar to the one used for Depleted Uranium shells), but the desk was empty. Thermographics picked up the trap door under the desk, but it would take them a while to find the trigger.

Harom was displeased at this turn of events. Partially because his quarry had gotten away, and partially because he'd bet three weeks' pay he'd bring in Gendo Ikari in a faster time than anyone else.

Then he stopped, listening carefully at the communications from other teams.
"Team Beta here. The alarms are going off everywhere! What idiot dropped the ball?!"
Team Charlie. Still in the gantries. Opposing forces heading your way, Gamma!"
"Team Delta here. NERV Command Bridge is empty! Repeat, the command bridge is empty? Does anyone know what is going on here?!"

In orbit, Captain Jeremiah Stovesh listened to the reports, confused. This wasn't going like any other NG world they'd ever found. The units were taking command of NERV, but much of it was ancient, disused, or buried in bakelite. The rest was booby-trapped and laden with sensors. It just wasn't making any sense!

***
NERV Commander Shinji Ikari rode the express egress elevator down into the reserve holding pens. Sure enough, there was Unit 01, just waiting for him.

It had taken a while, but he finally understood the full capacity of his father's work, as well as what truly drove Gendo to do what he did. Many years ago, he took ahold of Instrumentailt and somehow guided it back to where he wanted it, with no changes as far as he could tell.

And then the car accident. So much blood, more blood than he'd seen in years. His beloved wife dead, crushed by the passenger side door after it had been hit by another car.

Shortly after that, he found what he was looking for. His father's notes. The notes of both the Akagi's. His own mother's notes. Everyone's notes, project details, and so on. He rebooted the Magi, made deals with them. He found a Rei clone who had actually survived with intact memories. He took up meditation, returning (at least mentally) to a bit of the state of Instrumentality. That was where he found it. Seele's old locations, the locations of the Dead Sea Scrolls, caches of resources, of artifacts less powerful than the Lance of Longinus, but researchable nonetheless.

Nobody foresaw the third Child majoring in History. as the mini-elevator slowed as it approached the Launch Pens, Shinji marvelled at all the myriad ways man had been setting traps for other men over the millenia. Kensuke Aida was a godsend for that sort of lateral thinking. Concussion grenades to toss intruders out of hiding, claymores to kill the enemy, trapped girders sown throughout the Geofront that would drop away, sand in the old bakelite storage units to bury enemy soldiers alive, automated turrets that would fire on anyone without certain IFF signatures built into their ID badges, and land mines built under much of the floor tilings. He had learned all too well, remembering the takeover at the hands of the JSDF as well as NERV's vicious but ultimately ineffectual attempts at repelling the enemies. Preventative measure such as decentralized information lines, using as little as possible that could be hacked, eavesdropped, or decrypted.

Now he had the means to enact Instrumentality, and no government attack dogs would interfere with his plans. He understood, and had come to accept that he was in this for the same reason as his father: for the love of a good woman. No one would be able to stop him now, no matter what new toys the world's governments gave their men. He would prevail.

As his elevator slid to a stop, he stepped off of it and into a piloting chair. As the chair enclosed him, as the plug began insterting itself into Unit 01, the only other sound to be heard was, "I'm coming, Asuka."
***
In orbit, the UEsG command ship Sherman began picking up something. "Captain? I'm getting a huge AT-Field signature on the surface."
Stovesh groaned; nothing would ever be simple in this job, it seemed. "Alert the attack wings to launch. We are on full Invasion Status. Battle Stations."

Meanwhile, within the Geofront's gantries, still unseen, Master Sergeant Himmons Watched as the inverted pyramid lake flash-boiled away. There it was, the purple Eva unit. Only this time it had eight wings of AT-Field light.
Himmons groaned even as he reported it to the Sherman. If memory served, those formed some sort of anti-AT-Field. The pilots would be in for an interesting time.

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Wow. Great read! Please continue this!

Rathorc Lemenger wrote:*proceeds to cackle madly while rubbing hands together and walking from the AtB2 Forums*

taalismn wrote:And THAT one had also been done as a full-length fanfiction...ended up with an adult Shinji looking to break Asuka out of her coma with the help of a Maya who was promised that Instrumentality would bring back Ritsuko, and Rei as the LCL factory.
Not a nice world at all...

Interesting.

SRoss wrote:Commander Mary Gates inwardly cursed her luck, the half-Praxian UEEF officer commanded the VA-6B AE Monster that the Sherman had just deployed from orbit. An experimental unit designed to do what no other veritech could do, stand up to an EVA.

"Now remember Commander, your just to delay it until we can deploy our own EVAs."

Did the Captain really think that he could get them down here in time? It would take close to an hour just to get them in the transport.

LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!

taalismn wrote:

SRoss wrote:Commander Mary Gates inwardly cursed her luck, the half-Praxian UEEF officer commanded the VA-6B AE Monster that the Sherman had just deployed from orbit. An experimental unit designed to do what no other veritech could do, stand up to an EVA.

"Now remember Commander, your just to delay it until we can deploy our own EVAs."

Did the Captain really think that he could get them down here in time? It would take close to an hour just to get them in the transport.

Just remember; by now they'll have anti-AT Field ammunition, and mini-Lance missiles, for anything not sporting a PPAT-Field generator.

Check out the fanfiction Cast in Gold for the ultimate anti-personnel weapon in the hands of a group of Euro-cyborg ninja; blades made from shavings of the Lance...one nick to unprotected flesh, and your target disassociates into a pool of LCL.

wyrmraker wrote:

taalismn wrote:And THAT one had also been done as a full-length fanfiction...ended up with an adult Shinji looking to break Asuka out of her coma with the help of a Maya who was promised that Instrumentality would bring back Ritsuko, and Rei as the LCL factory.
Not a nice world at all...

I remember that story vaguely; I think I read it back in 2001 or so. It was a short one, but significant.

I was thinking more of an EVA setting where they were actually ready for invasions and attacks by humans. Using anti-guerilla strategies and tactics. And then the UEsG trying to get in there, followed by fighting a full-powered Unit-01 in addition to the NERV ground troops who have the best training and equipment that Nerv's research (and Super-Legal status) can provide.

Add into that Unit-01 at full power, it's wings forming the massive anti-AT-field, with a Shinji who actually knows what he's doing... Suddenly the UEsG is looking at a much nastier fight. I'm not saying they'd outright lose, but it'd be an extremely nasty, brutal fight, with lots of casualties on both sides.

Sounds like they may need reiforcements.

SRoss wrote:Master Sergeant Himmons looked back at the rest of Charley Team as he fired a suppressive burst at yet another approaching squad of NERV troopers. He was the only one on his team that could still fight and if help didn't arrive soon it promised to get really ugly.

Suddenly the ceiling above the NERV troopers caved in with a cloud of dust. There was the sound of fighting and troopers firing blind, then silence as the second squad of NERV troopers moved forward cautiously. They could see no one but their own downed men.

Then in a series of rapid close quarters attacks by an individual they couldn't see, they too went down.

Major Kusanagi stood up among the fallen troopers. "Master Sargent? Can your men move?"

Keep them coming!

wyrmraker wrote:

SRoss wrote:Master Sergeant Himmons looked back at the rest of Charley Team as he fired a suppressive burst at yet another approaching squad of NERV troopers. He was the only one on his team that could still fight and if help didn't arrive soon it promised to get really ugly.

Suddenly the ceiling above the NERV troopers caved in with a cloud of dust. There was the sound of fighting and troopers firing blind, then silence as the second squad of NERV troopers moved forward cautiously. They could see no one but their own downed men.

Then in a series of rapid close quarters attacks by an individual they couldn't see, they to went down.

Major Kusanagi stood up among the fallen troopers. "Master Sargent? Can your men move?"

An excellent addition.

Agree!

SRoss wrote:I figured the Major, being who she is, would be the perfect addition to a GMP assault. And I could see her using the weakend floor sections to her advantage to get to the trapped team quickly.

And to help them out.

wyrmraker wrote:Oh, absolutely. Major Kusanagi and others like her would be valued infiltrators in an urban environment. Of course, the NERV soldiers would probably freak out at the forty foot tall guys air-dropping in and securing Tokyo-3 itself, not to mention sappers with MD plasma cutters peeling off the armored doors. The sand traps would be a pain, the automated turrets would be troublesome (depending on the upgrades), and if they have some old-school fantasy types aboard the Sherman, the mines under the floor tiles could be solved with whatever the UEsG approved version of Halfling Hurling might be.

The real wild card would be Unit-01 itself. If Shinji still has the full power level at the end of the series, that can be truly dangerous. Sadly, I haven't kept track of all the various additions the UEsG has made (only actually at page 56 of the thread so far), so I can't really work up what would be in their personnel and inventory.

What about some Bolas?

Chronicler wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:Oh, absolutely. Major Kusanagi and others like her would be valued infiltrators in an urban environment. Of course, the NERV soldiers would probably freak out at the forty foot tall guys air-dropping in and securing Tokyo-3 itself, not to mention sappers with MD plasma cutters peeling off the armored doors. The sand traps would be a pain, the automated turrets would be troublesome (depending on the upgrades), and if they have some old-school fantasy types aboard the Sherman, the mines under the floor tiles could be solved with whatever the UEsG approved version of Halfling Hurling might be.

The real wild card would be Unit-01 itself. If Shinji still has the full power level at the end of the series, that can be truly dangerous. Sadly, I haven't kept track of all the various additions the UEsG has made (only actually at page 56 of the thread so far), so I can't really work up what would be in their personnel and inventory.

I can imagine our Shinji fighting this one, only to devolve into the slug fest that was the finale fight in the second rebuild movie.

Ya, I could see that happening.

To be honest, with this scenarioa a Bola would be overkill. They'd only send one in if they wanted the Geofront completely annihilated. And one of the key points of seizing any of the NGE Geofronts is data. This one would be especially valuable; seeing just how far it ranged from the usual baselines the UEsG has encountered thus far, as well as why.

Nicely done wyrmraker I like where you are going with this, I'm might take a stab at it or do a spin off of my once I have my other project up and running.

Kargan3033 wrote:Nicely done wyrmraker I like where you are going with this, I'm might take a stab at it or do a spin off of my once I have my other project up and running.

Please feel free. I just had the idea of Shinji being in charge of NERV, and remembering the events of End of Evangelion. The JSDF forces' invasion would stand out quite prominently in his mind, and he would rig the Geofront to be a deathtrap for any conventional forces trying a ground invasion.

Interestingly enough, all I had to do was think like a farmer of illegal drugs. All the information is there, it just needed proper implementation.

wyrmraker wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:Nicely done wyrmraker I like where you are going with this, I'm might take a stab at it or do a spin off of my once I have my other project up and running.

Please feel free. I just had the idea of Shinji being in charge of NERV, and remembering the events of End of Evangelion. The JSDF forces' invasion would stand out quite prominently in his mind, and he would rig the Geofront to be a deathtrap for any conventional forces trying a ground invasion.

Interestingly enough, all I had to do was think like a farmer of illegal drugs. All the information is there, it just needed proper implementation.

Good point and your right the JSDF's invasion would weight very heavly on Shinjis mind after third impact which is why I was wondering why he did not bring Misato back as well as Asuka at the end of the serise.

This whole thread has given me an intresting idea and your posts where what broght my idea to the forefront of my mind, since I have one other project in the works that is not related to Robotech of NGE I'll have to finsh that up and start on the idea Iam talking about so I'll be away for awhile.

In the mean time keep up the good work.

Kargan3033 wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:Nicely done wyrmraker I like where you are going with this, I'm might take a stab at it or do a spin off of my once I have my other project up and running.

Please feel free. I just had the idea of Shinji being in charge of NERV, and remembering the events of End of Evangelion. The JSDF forces' invasion would stand out quite prominently in his mind, and he would rig the Geofront to be a deathtrap for any conventional forces trying a ground invasion.

Interestingly enough, all I had to do was think like a farmer of illegal drugs. All the information is there, it just needed proper implementation.

Good point and your right the JSDF's invasion would weight very heavly on Shinjis mind after third impact which is why I was wondering why he did not bring Misato back as well as Asuka at the end of the serise.

This whole thread has given me an intresting idea and your posts where what broght my idea to the forefront of my mind, since I have one other project in the works that is not related to Robotech of NGE I'll have to finsh that up and start on the idea Iam talking about so I'll be away for awhile.

In the mean time keep up the good work.

I just had a skeleton of an idea that I quickly filled in a few gaps with the salient, core details. The extra bits I leave to the forums to figure out. I am an excellent idea guy, but rarely do I finish a full plotline.

Toss in the UEsG having the Macross II MACs...those things, I believe, pack SIX main guns, in addition to the arms, and hovercraft feet. Arm them with anti-AT munitions, and we're taking serious dakka, plus the ability to haulass if things go pear-shaped.

Good heavens. But the Macross II stuff gets pretty harsh with all of it's mecha. I always saw it as the natural evolution of Robotech-style combat.

wyrmraker wrote:To be honest, with this scenarioa a Bola would be overkill. They'd only send one in if they wanted the Geofront completely annihilated. And one of the key points of seizing any of the NGE Geofronts is data. This one would be especially valuable; seeing just how far it ranged from the usual baselines the UEsG has encountered thus far, as well as why.

Didn't know that.

Kargan3033 wrote:Nicely done wyrmraker I like where you are going with this, I'm might take a stab at it or do a spin off of my once I have my other project up and running.

Agree!

Kargan3033 wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:Nicely done wyrmraker I like where you are going with this, I'm might take a stab at it or do a spin off of my once I have my other project up and running.

Please feel free. I just had the idea of Shinji being in charge of NERV, and remembering the events of End of Evangelion. The JSDF forces' invasion would stand out quite prominently in his mind, and he would rig the Geofront to be a deathtrap for any conventional forces trying a ground invasion.

Interestingly enough, all I had to do was think like a farmer of illegal drugs. All the information is there, it just needed proper implementation.

Good point and your right the JSDF's invasion would weight very heavly on Shinjis mind after third impact which is why I was wondering why he did not bring Misato back as well as Asuka at the end of the serise.

This whole thread has given me an intresting idea and your posts where what broght my idea to the forefront of my mind, since I have one other project in the works that is not related to Robotech of NGE I'll have to finsh that up and start on the idea Iam talking about so I'll be away for awhile.

In the mean time keep up the good work.

Sounds interesting. Can't wait to see it!

wyrmraker wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:Nicely done wyrmraker I like where you are going with this, I'm might take a stab at it or do a spin off of my once I have my other project up and running.

Please feel free. I just had the idea of Shinji being in charge of NERV, and remembering the events of End of Evangelion. The JSDF forces' invasion would stand out quite prominently in his mind, and he would rig the Geofront to be a deathtrap for any conventional forces trying a ground invasion.

Interestingly enough, all I had to do was think like a farmer of illegal drugs. All the information is there, it just needed proper implementation.

Good point and your right the JSDF's invasion would weight very heavly on Shinjis mind after third impact which is why I was wondering why he did not bring Misato back as well as Asuka at the end of the serise.

This whole thread has given me an intresting idea and your posts where what broght my idea to the forefront of my mind, since I have one other project in the works that is not related to Robotech of NGE I'll have to finsh that up and start on the idea Iam talking about so I'll be away for awhile.

In the mean time keep up the good work.

I just had a skeleton of an idea that I quickly filled in a few gaps with the salient, core details. The extra bits I leave to the forums to figure out. I am an excellent idea guy, but rarely do I finish a full plotline.

NO!!!!!!!!!!! Not another one of you! Don't be a tallismn!

taalismn wrote:Toss in the UEsG having the Macross II MACs...those things, I believe, pack SIX main guns, in addition to the arms, and hovercraft feet. Arm them with anti-AT munitions, and we're taking serious dakka, plus the ability to haulass if things go pear-shaped.

Nice!

wyrmraker wrote:Good heavens. But the Macross II stuff gets pretty harsh with all of it's mecha. I always saw it as the natural evolution of Robotech-style combat.

Some have taken it that way.

Alpha 11 wrote:Good point and your right the JSDF's invasion would weight very heavly on Shinjis mind after third impact which is why I was wondering why he did not bring Misato back as well as Asuka at the end of the serise.

This whole thread has given me an intresting idea and your posts where what broght my idea to the forefront of my mind, since I have one other project in the works that is not related to Robotech of NGE I'll have to finsh that up and start on the idea Iam talking about so I'll be away for awhile.

In the mean time keep up the good work.

Sounds interesting. Can't wait to see it![/quote]

Well it'll take some time, also I'm mining/saving the pages of this thread for what I have in mind.

Alpha 11 wrote:[NO!!!!!!!!!!! Not another one of you! Don't be a tallismn!
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Thanks, Alpha. Some of us DO need to eat, sleep, deal with other issues, and take necessary precautions to retain a fingernail's griphold on sanity.

taalismn wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:[NO!!!!!!!!!!! Not another one of you! Don't be a tallismn!
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Thanks, Alpha. Some of us DO need to eat, sleep, deal with other issues, and take necessary precautions to retain a fingernail's griphold on sanity.

BAH!, sanity is for the weak and so called normal people.

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:[NO!!!!!!!!!!! Not another one of you! Don't be a tallismn!
.

Thanks, Alpha. Some of us DO need to eat, sleep, deal with other issues, and take necessary precautions to retain a fingernail's griphold on sanity.

BAH!, sanity is for the weak and so called normal people.

Yeah, but sanity comes with a paycheck.

I seem to remember at least one of the bolo stories had the bolo hacking the planetary com nets and computers, (and attempting to hack its enemies computers) at the same time it was fighting...

part of the issue was the opposing force was essentially human mercs, using a bunch of drone systems as their primary combat units, and so the bolo (and its commander) took over several drop forces to use against the enemies.

guardiandashi wrote:I seem to remember at least one of the bolo stories had the bolo hacking the planetary com nets and computers, (and attempting to hack its enemies computers) at the same time it was fighting...

part of the issue was the opposing force was essentially human mercs, using a bunch of drone systems as their primary combat units, and so the bolo (and its commander) took over several drop forces to use against the enemies.

"Operation Desert Fox", by Mercedes Lackey & Larry Dixon

out of the way planet asks for a battalion of defense troops, largely for financial reasons, but gets one soldier and a Bolo RML-1138.

eventually some corporate types decide there is something worth taking on the planet, so drop a bunch of AI controlled tank battalions onto the planet to wipe out thel ocals. bolo RML-1138 ("rommel") resolves the issue by hijacking the drone tanks to fight back.

leading up to one of the greatest ending lines for a story ever..


you can actually read it free at baen books;
http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/0671 ... 57__12.htm

Science Fiction To Reality: U.S. Army To Buy Hoverbikes and in an effort to one up the Americans, China will be buying the GMP robot.

taalismn wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:[NO!!!!!!!!!!! Not another one of you! Don't be a tallismn!
.

Thanks, Alpha. Some of us DO need to eat, sleep, deal with other issues, and take necessary precautions to retain a fingernail's griphold on sanity.

BAH!, sanity is for the weak and so called normal people.

Yeah, but sanity comes with a paycheck.

True but so does insanity if you can harness it and make it work for you, just ask the loonies in our governments.

guardiandashi wrote:I seem to remember at least one of the bolo stories had the bolo hacking the planetary com nets and computers, (and attempting to hack its enemies computers) at the same time it was fighting...

part of the issue was the opposing force was essentially human mercs, using a bunch of drone systems as their primary combat units, and so the bolo (and its commander) took over several drop forces to use against the enemies.

Topping that was the Bolo that hacks the AIs of an entire alien invasion fleet, reprograms it to turn around, return to its point of origin, and allow the slave-conscript soldiers aboard to wreak havoc on their conquerors.

Kargan3033 wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:Good point and your right the JSDF's invasion would weight very heavly on Shinjis mind after third impact which is why I was wondering why he did not bring Misato back as well as Asuka at the end of the serise.

This whole thread has given me an intresting idea and your posts where what broght my idea to the forefront of my mind, since I have one other project in the works that is not related to Robotech of NGE I'll have to finsh that up and start on the idea Iam talking about so I'll be away for awhile.

In the mean time keep up the good work.

Sounds interesting. Can't wait to see it!

Well it'll take some time, also I'm mining/saving the pages of this thread for what I have in mind.[/quote]

Cool.

taalismn wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:[NO!!!!!!!!!!! Not another one of you! Don't be a tallismn!
.

Thanks, Alpha. Some of us DO need to eat, sleep, deal with other issues, and take necessary precautions to retain a fingernail's griphold on sanity.

WHAT?!? Who needs that? They are SO overrated.

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:[NO!!!!!!!!!!! Not another one of you! Don't be a tallismn!
.

Thanks, Alpha. Some of us DO need to eat, sleep, deal with other issues, and take necessary precautions to retain a fingernail's griphold on sanity.

BAH!, sanity is for the weak and so called normal people.

You got that right!

taalismn wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:[NO!!!!!!!!!!! Not another one of you! Don't be a tallismn!
.

Thanks, Alpha. Some of us DO need to eat, sleep, deal with other issues, and take necessary precautions to retain a fingernail's griphold on sanity.

BAH!, sanity is for the weak and so called normal people.

Yeah, but sanity comes with a paycheck.

That's what you think your getting.

guardiandashi wrote:I seem to remember at least one of the bolo stories had the bolo hacking the planetary com nets and computers, (and attempting to hack its enemies computers) at the same time it was fighting...

part of the issue was the opposing force was essentially human mercs, using a bunch of drone systems as their primary combat units, and so the bolo (and its commander) took over several drop forces to use against the enemies.

Cool.

glitterboy2098 wrote:

guardiandashi wrote:I seem to remember at least one of the bolo stories had the bolo hacking the planetary com nets and computers, (and attempting to hack its enemies computers) at the same time it was fighting...

part of the issue was the opposing force was essentially human mercs, using a bunch of drone systems as their primary combat units, and so the bolo (and its commander) took over several drop forces to use against the enemies.

"Operation Desert Fox", by Mercedes Lackey & Larry Dixon

out of the way planet asks for a battalion of defense troops, largely for financial reasons, but gets one soldier and a Bolo RML-1138.

eventually some corporate types decide there is something worth taking on the planet, so drop a bunch of AI controlled tank battalions onto the planet to wipe out thel ocals. bolo RML-1138 ("rommel") resolves the issue by hijacking the drone tanks to fight back.

leading up to one of the greatest ending lines for a story ever..


you can actually read it free at baen books;
http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/0671 ... 57__12.htm

I think I'll have to read this whole story. It looks interesting.

SRoss wrote:Science Fiction To Reality: U.S. Army To Buy Hoverbikes and in an effort to one up the Americans, China will be buying the GMP robot.

Wow. Cool! and for the last part:

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

taalismn wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:[NO!!!!!!!!!!! Not another one of you! Don't be a tallismn!
.

Thanks, Alpha. Some of us DO need to eat, sleep, deal with other issues, and take necessary precautions to retain a fingernail's griphold on sanity.

BAH!, sanity is for the weak and so called normal people.

Yeah, but sanity comes with a paycheck.

True but so does insanity if you can harness it and make it work for you, just ask the loonies in our governments.

Sad, but true.

taalismn wrote:

guardiandashi wrote:I seem to remember at least one of the bolo stories had the bolo hacking the planetary com nets and computers, (and attempting to hack its enemies computers) at the same time it was fighting...

part of the issue was the opposing force was essentially human mercs, using a bunch of drone systems as their primary combat units, and so the bolo (and its commander) took over several drop forces to use against the enemies.

Topping that was the Bolo that hacks the AIs of an entire alien invasion fleet, reprograms it to turn around, return to its point of origin, and allow the slave-conscript soldiers aboard to wreak havoc on their conquerors.

VERY nice indeed.

I plan to try to flesh out my idea for background and the battle of that scenario, but I'm not sure what kind of assets the UEsG would have aboard one of their battleships (I am envisioning a lone ship, one of the larger ones). From what I've read, it looks like the SOP for the UEsG is to investigate and then take over the Geofront, and given their success in the past it would make sense that they might get a little overconfident. Asset content combined with a lack of stats on the new equipment for the UEsG (it can be very difficult to translate power levels from series to series) makes things a little hairy. Some people may not agree with how I get things to play out.

But I'll give it a try. Still only on page 70 of the thread (not quite halfway), but I'm chewing on the scenario.

wyrmraker wrote:I plan to try to flesh out my idea for background and the battle of that scenario, but I'm not sure what kind of assets the UEsG would have aboard one of their battleships (I am envisioning a lone ship, one of the larger ones). From what I've read, it looks like the SOP for the UEsG is to investigate and then take over the Geofront, and given their success in the past it would make sense that they might get a little overconfident. Asset content combined with a lack of stats on the new equipment for the UEsG (it can be very difficult to translate power levels from series to series) makes things a little hairy. Some people may not agree with how I get things to play out.

But I'll give it a try. Still only on page 70 of the thread (not quite halfway), but I'm chewing on the scenario.

Indeed...as for TOE, that's pretty open. Newer members are not as likely to be as well-equipped as core members, and may be overconfident from hearing all the reports of the older alliance members on how easy and fun it is to topple an NGE situation. Those teams who remember the zombie-verses, xeno-infestations, chaos-realms, or Cthuluverses, may be prone to shoot first, shoot repeatedly, reload/resupply, and triple-tap for good measure.

As for page 70? Well, we've kinda slid into random silliness after that with a multiplicity of storylines, timeloops, and bleedovers into other threads to the point where sometimes it's hard to tell who's who, where's this, and what's that?

Lisa: "Ok, it's time to deploy Edwards and Graham in our New Shuttle."

taalismn wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:I plan to try to flesh out my idea for background and the battle of that scenario, but I'm not sure what kind of assets the UEsG would have aboard one of their battleships (I am envisioning a lone ship, one of the larger ones). From what I've read, it looks like the SOP for the UEsG is to investigate and then take over the Geofront, and given their success in the past it would make sense that they might get a little overconfident. Asset content combined with a lack of stats on the new equipment for the UEsG (it can be very difficult to translate power levels from series to series) makes things a little hairy. Some people may not agree with how I get things to play out.

But I'll give it a try. Still only on page 70 of the thread (not quite halfway), but I'm chewing on the scenario.

Indeed...as for TOE, that's pretty open. Newer members are not as likely to be as well-equipped as core members, and may be overconfident from hearing all the reports of the older alliance members on how easy and fun it is to topple an NGE situation. Those teams who remember the zombie-verses, xeno-infestations, chaos-realms, or Cthuluverses, may be prone to shoot first, shoot repeatedly, reload/resupply, and triple-tap for good measure.

As for page 70? Well, we've kinda slid into random silliness after that with a multiplicity of storylines, timeloops, and bleedovers into other threads to the point where sometimes it's hard to tell who's who, where's this, and what's that?

Its been a crazy ride!

SRoss wrote:Lisa: "Ok, it's time to deploy Edwards and Graham in our New Shuttle."

Poor guys, they tried so hard.

Alpha 11 wrote: Its been a crazy ride!

True but would you have it any other way?

Kargan3033 wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote: Its been a crazy ride!

True but would you have it any other way?

With cupholders.

Kargan3033 wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote: Its been a crazy ride!

True but would you have it any other way?

Nope!

taalismn wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote: Its been a crazy ride!

True but would you have it any other way?

With cupholders.

taalismn wrote:

Kargan3033 wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote: Its been a crazy ride!

True but would you have it any other way?

With cupholders.

Yep, you can't forget the *Holy* cupholders.

That would be the bloodcatchers from the altar of sacrifice.