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When is the PPE used up and gone after you cast the spell ?

Immediatly after you finish the last syllable of the incantation ? ( this is the 1 I personally believe it is )

Or ..

AFTER the magic has run its course ? ( PC of mine says this )

I as the GM obviously went with MY opinion ..

But , curious .. what is the Official "consensus" on this anyone ?

1) PPE is converted to spell.

Did 2) mean the mage still had PPE in his body until the spell effect was finished?

PPE-> Spell

If you have the spell, you don't have the PPE. If you don't have the Spell, you have the PPE

When the spell is cast. Otherwise, you could triple-collateralize spells, casting 3 of them with the same PPE.

No sorry should have been a bit more clear ...

After the caster , casts the spell .. is the ppe used and burned at the end of the incantation ? Or is the PPE used AFTER the magic has run its course ?

Meaning ...

Eyes of Thoth .. duration - 10min/lvl .. (mage is 4th lvl thats 40 minutes)

Mage casts this spell .. the 8 ppe is used .. does that PPE linger in the eyes of the mage thusly "being" the magic ?

Or ...

Mave casts this spell .. the 8 ppe is used .. does that ppe then become null and void not detectable by any means as its been used in the spell in the first place .. an thus is in fact .. gone for good UNdetectable... by ANY means ?

The reason that I ask this is due directly to a session that I played the other day in which I GM'ed .. And 1 of the people playing was a Coalition Dogboy .

This dogboy PC told me that if the mage used his magic .. even AFTER the PPE was burnt up an used .. he could still detect the magic ..

To which I responded by saying how can you detect anything if the mage used his hiding ppe ability as well as having cast the magic already .. meaning that ppe is no where to be detected .. ( used up durring the casting of the spell )

He then said that I was wrong ..

So , now I am here to ask the viewpoint of everyone else on this subject .

The spell remains detectable as magic until the end of the duration. So, while Eyes of Thoth is active, he can smell active magics, IIRC. It's not a matter of the PPE at that point; it's magic, which is applied PPE.

In my understanding of spell casting. You are turning the PPE into the spell, in essence the channeling of the spells is putting the ppe energy together to create said spell.

1) the spell effect matrix is formed by the mage's incantation.(start of active magic being used by the mage)
2) at the end of the incantation the mage puts the PPE into the spell with the last syllable of the incantation (ppe deducted from mage's ppe, the magic takes on the active magic label, no longer the mage.)
3) the magic runs it's course and the duration ends. (no active magic sensible once the magic ends)


Unless the mage casts the magic on himself, then after the spell is cast, the spell itself would be read as the active magic source by the sensitive.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:1) the spell effect matrix is formed by the mage's incantation.(start of active magic being used by the mage)
2) at the end of the incantation the mage puts the PPE into the spell with the last syllable of the incantation (ppe deducted from mage's ppe, the magic takes on the active magic label, no longer the mage.)
3) the magic runs it's course and the duration ends. (no active magic sensible once the magic ends)


Unless the mage casts the magic on himself, then after the spell is cast, the spell itself would be read by the sensitive.

I guess we view it differently ..

in my world ..

1) - the mage starts the incantation ..
2) - Last word pumps the PPE into the actual spell ..
3) - The PPE is burned up .. an can not be senced by any means .( its burnt up in the expenditure of the spell itself )

The thing is Dog Boys can sense magic and psionic effects, not just PPE/ISP. Read the dog boy description under Sense magic/psionic Energy. Long duration spells/psionic powers can be sensed and possibly tracked back to their source. The PPE is gone, but as long as there is a spell effect, it too can be sensed.

Lenwen wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:1) the spell effect matrix is formed by the mage's incantation.(start of active magic being used by the mage)
2) at the end of the incantation the mage puts the PPE into the spell with the last syllable of the incantation (ppe deducted from mage's ppe, the magic takes on the active magic label, no longer the mage.)
3) the magic runs it's course and the duration ends. (no active magic sensible once the magic ends)


Unless the mage casts the magic on himself, then after the spell is cast, the spell itself would be read as the active magic source by the sensitive.

I guess we view it differently ..

in my world ..

1) - the mage starts the incantation ..
2) - Last word pumps the PPE into the actual spell ..
3) - The PPE is burned up .. an can not be sensed by any means .( its burnt up in the expenditure of the spell itself )

you said the same thing I did, sort of

I did add in the answering the question,"where is the 'active magic' located?" into my answer.
The only difference besides that is that from my stance is the PPE is used/depleted.
While your's sounds like "it burns up" and no longer exists.

ZorValachan wrote:The thing is Dog Boys can sense magic and psionic effects, not just PPE/ISP. Read the dog boy description under Sense magic/psionic Energy. Long duration spells/psionic powers can be sensed and possibly tracked back to their source. The PPE is gone, but as long as there is a spell effect, it too can be sensed.

This.

dark brandon wrote:

ZorValachan wrote:The thing is Dog Boys can sense magic and psionic effects, not just PPE/ISP. Read the dog boy description under Sense magic/psionic Energy. Long duration spells/psionic powers can be sensed and possibly tracked back to their source. The PPE is gone, but as long as there is a spell effect, it too can be sensed.

This.

Yep, there is active magic from the start of the mage's incantation till the end of the spell's duration.

Thou, if the spell is cast on someone or something else, the mage stops being the source of the active magic when he finished the spell's incantation, till the end of the duration.


level 5
False Magic (lesser)
range: 100' per level
duration: 10 min. per level
saving throw: none
PPE: 10
This spell creates 2 active magic sources per level with in the range. Ether where the mage wills them to be or randomly if specific sites are not chosen. To those sensitive to magic, these magic sources look like active magic sites. This spell was created to distract or delay.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
level 5
False Magic (lesser)
range: 100' per level
duration: 10 min. per level
saving throw: none
PPE: 10
This spell creates 2 active magic sources per level with in the range. Ether where the mage wills them to be or randomly if specific sites are not chosen. To those sensitive to magic, these magic sources look like active magic sites. This spell was created to distract or delay.

Great magic spell there. is that in a book? If not, I might snag it anyway. I like it

ZorValachan wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
level 5
False Magic (lesser)
range: 100' per level
duration: 10 min. per level
saving throw: none
PPE: 10
This spell creates 2 active magic sources per level with in the range. Ether where the mage wills them to be or randomly if specific sites are not chosen. To those sensitive to magic, these magic sources look like active magic sites. This spell was created to distract or delay.

Great magic spell there. is that in a book? If not, I might snag it anyway. I like it

Agreed ...

This could be used to Torture .. dogboys haha

Lenwen wrote:

ZorValachan wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
level 5
False Magic (lesser)
range: 100' per level
duration: 10 min. per level
saving throw: none
PPE: 10
This spell creates 2 active magic sources per level with in the range. Ether where the mage wills them to be or randomly if specific sites are not chosen. To those sensitive to magic, these magic sources look like active magic sites. This spell was created to distract or delay.

Great magic spell there. is that in a book? If not, I might snag it anyway. I like it

Agreed ...

This could be used to Torture .. dogboys haha

just made it up for the post.
Then posted it again in the invented magic topic.