Robots and PA...How Magnetic are they?

[Rimmerdal]

Would the metal used on 'Bots and Power armour be attracted by a magnet?

How about TW Items made of metal do they lose magnetic properties as they get enchanted? This would a affect if a metal detector can find them.

and for that matter Magical items...A Battle magi goes through a metal detector with his Death bringer or Favorite Rune sword does it get spotted?

[rat_bastard]

GM's call 100%

[Natasha]

I agree with Bastard.

Btw, for what it's worth, I always thought of M.D.C. armour as composites and ceramics and not metal, however M.D.C. weapons are composites with metal.

[rat_bastard]

Oh, and anything with a rail gun in it has ferrous materials.

[Killer Cyborg]

Would the metal used on 'Bots and Power armour be attracted by a magnet?

I don't have it handy at the moment, but check out CB1, the section on the Magnetism power.

How about TW Items made of metal do they lose magnetic properties as they get enchanted?

No.

and for that matter Magical items...A Battle magi goes through a metal detector with his Death bringer or Favorite Rune sword does it get spotted?

Yes.
If it's metal.

[Killer Cyborg]

I always thought that unless the description says it's made of ceramics and plastics, then it's metal and can be effected like any other.

Fun Fact: Most kinds of metal are non-magnetic.

[Killer Cyborg]

CB1, p. 48

Note that many of the types of body armor, energy weapons, and bionics have no or little metal, and most bots, borgs and power armor are composed of non-magnetic metal alloys, ceramics, and other non-magnetic materials.

[Qev]

I always thought that unless the description says it's made of ceramics and plastics, then it's metal and can be effected like any other.

Fun Fact: Most kinds of metal are non-magnetic.

Well I was never a big fan of Magneto anyway...

Of course, even frogs are magnetic, if you use a large enough (and non-static) magnetic field.

[Rimmerdal]

cool, I got the issue solved.

[ZorValachan]

Would the metal used on 'Bots and Power armour be attracted by a magnet?

I don't have it handy at the moment, but check out CB1, the section on the Magnetism power.

Point.

Counter-point: The same book lists that most bots, vehicles, and PA are affected by the Air Elemental spell Electro-Magnetism. Which has since been reproduced in the BoM, making it a fairly up-to-date ruling.

Which has precedence? *shrug* I dunno...

Pg 67 CB1 Electro-magnitism: Any iron or iron alloy that enters its radius will be irresistably drawn to the center of the field... This will include iron objects in knapsacks, pockets, belt buckles, tools, rail guns and their ammunition, vehicles, bots, etc. (borgs and cybernetics are not made of iron).

So even in the spell it says no to at least borgs and cybernetics being magnetic. Nothing is said about PA in this spell description

[Subjugator]

Do we care? What's the purpose of your post?

Was there someone who was asking specifically about borgs or cybernetics? Where was that issue brought up?

Also, what part of the bolded material makes you think PA would be excluded? Aren't PA suits normally lumped in with robots and vehicles? Don't they carry ammunition?

What is with people thread crapping lately?

The purpose of his post was to say something that disagrees with your post. What's your problem? You seem to be the one 'thread crapping'.

/Sub

[The Beast]

and for that matter Magical items...A Battle magi goes through a metal detector with his Death bringer or Favorite Rune sword does it get spotted?

IIRC a rune weapon has to be made of stone.

[Killer Cyborg]

Would the metal used on 'Bots and Power armour be attracted by a magnet?

I don't have it handy at the moment, but check out CB1, the section on the Magnetism power.

Point.

Counter-point: The same book lists that most bots, vehicles, and PA are affected by the Air Elemental spell Electro-Magnetism. Which has since been reproduced in the BoM, making it a fairly up-to-date ruling.

Which has precedence? *shrug* I dunno...

Pg 67 CB1 Electro-magnitism: Any iron or iron alloy that enters its radius will be irresistably drawn to the center of the field... This will include iron objects in knapsacks, pockets, belt buckles, tools, rail guns and their ammunition, vehicles, bots, etc. (borgs and cybernetics are not made of iron).

So even in the spell it says no to at least borgs and cybernetics being magnetic. Nothing is said about PA in this spell description

Also, the sentence structurally reads:
"This will include iron objects in... vehicles, bots, etc."

Key word being "in."

IF you happen to have a vehicle or bot with (ferrous) metal objects in it, then the magnetism will affect the metal objects.
But nothing indicates that to be the norm, especially for the object overall.

[Killer Cyborg]

and for that matter Magical items...A Battle magi goes through a metal detector with his Death bringer or Favorite Rune sword does it get spotted?

IIRC a rune weapon has to be made of stone.

IIRC, they're usually metal, but some can be made of stone.

I thought they made a big deal about Stone Rune Weapons when they mentioned them.

But I don't feel like researching this one out.

[rat_bastard]

and for that matter Magical items...A Battle magi goes through a metal detector with his Death bringer or Favorite Rune sword does it get spotted?

IIRC a rune weapon has to be made of stone.

IIRC, they're usually metal, but some can be made of stone.

I thought they made a big deal about Stone Rune Weapons when they mentioned them.

But I don't feel like researching this one out.

I know Japanese Rune weapons are metal.

[The Beast]

Ok, nevermind. WB2 says they're made of either metal or hard stone.

[ZorValachan]

Pg 67 CB1 Electro-magnitism: Any iron or iron alloy that enters its radius will be irresistably drawn to the center of the field... This will include iron objects in knapsacks, pockets, belt buckles, tools, rail guns and their ammunition, vehicles, bots, etc. (borgs and cybernetics are not made of iron).

So even in the spell it says no to at least borgs and cybernetics being magnetic. Nothing is said about PA in this spell description

Do we care? What's the purpose of your post?

Was there someone who was asking specifically about borgs or cybernetics? Where was that issue brought up?

Also, what part of the bolded material makes you think PA would be excluded? Aren't PA suits normally lumped in with robots and vehicles? Don't they carry ammunition?

What is with people thread crapping lately?

The OP specifically asked the question. You gave your opinion and a summary of what you thought a spell was. I gave the actual quote and PG number so Others could look it up, as well as showing that borgs and cybernetics were specifically excluded in being iron/magnetic from the spell you mentioned.

The fact that Borgs and cybernetics are excluded in the electro-magnetism spell, you stating PA was mentioned in the electro-magnetism spell (which as I showed, it is not) as well as KC's quote (also with pg number)

CB1, p. 48
Quote:
Note that many of the types of body armor, energy weapons, and bionics have no or little metal, and most bots, borgs and power armor are composed of non-magnetic metal alloys, ceramics, and other non-magnetic materials.

With Borgs and cybernetics as well as Armour being excluded, PA could be as well. Some PA uses energy, not railguns. Borgs and Bots (the Bots with AI, human sized) are basically the same. Only one has a brain of a once creature and the other has an artificial one. So in a way, yes, what applies to Borgs, would apply to some bots.

[ZorValachan]

As far as things go with electro-magnetic abilites I'd say it's up to the GM. Most robots and PA would have lots of metal in them if not in the plating, then in the moving parts and joints. If it's enough to pull or push the PA or robot is a tougher call.

I think nuclear reactions create a pretty strong magnetic field though so you could always fall back on that as an excuse.

metal does not = magnetic.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Umm, robots and PAs all, generally, have nuke reactors and use electricity. For either, there's ferrous metal involved.

...That is a good point. I was in non-magnetic side, but they inherently generate electromagic feilds...

[sasha]

The OP is about the armour, not the internals, however.

[sasha]

The OP is about the armour, not the internals, however.

The internals are part of the armor. What effects one, effects the other.

Perhaps however you're not going to find a magnet that would suck the power supply out of the bot.

[Nekira Sudacne]

The OP is about the armour, not the internals, however.

The internals are part of the armor. What effects one, effects the other.

Perhaps however you're not going to find a magnet that would suck the power supply out of the bot.

Hey, if Magneto can suck the Adamantium out of Wolverines bones...

[sasha]

Shielding, fereday cages, ceramics, and distance are the engineer's friends.

[sasha]

Faraday cages will block some magnetism.
You can use other things like metal foam, mu-metal, superconductors/Meissner-Ochsenfeld effect, and probably a bunch of stuff I never heard of.

[Subjugator]

Umm, robots and PAs all, generally, have nuke reactors and use electricity. For either, there's ferrous metal involved.

Silver is conductive (the best) and is non-ferrous.

/Sub

[Nekira Sudacne]

Umm, robots and PAs all, generally, have nuke reactors and use electricity. For either, there's ferrous metal involved.

Silver is conductive (the best) and is non-ferrous.

/Sub

It's melting point is too low for the stuff robots and PAs would be required to withstand.

And remember, nuclear power is just another way to turn a big magnet in a coil and generate electricity. Just like steam and coal. If you're making electrical power, you've got a magnet somewhere inside.

I thought that it used steam to turn the turbine?

[Killer Cyborg]

Any of you engineer types know of a means of producing electricity and then utilizing that electricty, that doesn't involve any ferrous materials?

No.

Well, there's static electricity. You don't need a magnet for that.
Sure, we don't have a good way to utilize static electricity in any useful level of power, but that wasn't the question.
And, according to wikipedia, Daleks were powered by static electricity, so the notion of using it as a power source wouldn't be unprecedented.

And I'm pretty sure that you can make batteries without using magnets or ferrous materials.

Granted, power armor and such doesn't seem to work off of batteries or static electricity, but that wasn't the question.


Anyway, the books don't say that power armor is always made of 100% non-magnetic material, only that they have "little to no" magnetic material in them.
Meaning that there is likely to be some, but nothing usable to magnetism-type powers.

[Qev]

Betavoltaic or optoelectric systems don't need magnets or have to use ferrous metals to generate electricity from nuclear reactions. And considering what people are getting upto today with the various carbon nanotube-derivatives, I'd have to wonder if even the wiring in a Rifts mecha would be metal (seriously, nanotubes can do anything).