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Here's a hot topic: Does anyone stack their Spells-Not same spells, different spells-Like Magical
Adrenal Rush, & Sorcerous Fury, et al....

if you mean cast some spells right after each other to have their effects amalgamated. Not ussually, unless the opponent be a "level boss".

[ BTW: Magical Adrenal Rush, & Sorcerous Fury are in the same family tree of spells.]

ya, definitely. That's a major tactic for mages.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:if you mean cast some spells right after each other to have their effects amalgamated. Not ussually, unless the opponent be a "level boss".

[ BTW: Magical Adrenal Rush, & Sorcerous Fury are in the same family tree of spells.]

MY underline.......
I'm not sure what you mean by Family Tree? Would the same apply to Protective Magics; ie.,
Armor of Ithan/Invulnerability/Invincible Armor? & what doya mean Level Boss? Thanx DK!
Grandil

Grandil wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by Family Tree? Would the same apply to Protective Magics; ie.,
Armor of Ithan/Invulnerability/Invincible Armor? & what doya mean Level Boss? Thanx DK!
Grandil

Both MAR and SF give the mage a magical power boost.

armor of ithan and invincible armor would be related.
Invulnerability is related to the "impervious" spells.

is that just a personal classification there? I see what you're saying, but it's not official anywhere is it?

Crazy Lou wrote:is that just a personal classification there? I see what you're saying, but it's not official anywhere is it?

he's using his own classifications.

Offically, all spells and their bonus's whatsoever stack without limit.

Crazy Lou wrote:is that just a personal classification there? I see what you're saying, but it's not official anywhere is it?

My views.

From the perspective that I'm looking for similar spells for the making a new spell according to the rules in TtGD.

k, cool, just checking.

I forgot to make this a Poll!

I would make a few house ruled exceptions to bonus stacking via spells.A good example would be the spell Superhuman Agility,which,among other things, grants auto-dodge with a +5 bonus.The only other bonus I would allow to be added to this one is the dodge bonus granted by a high PP score. Otherwise,that spell would get out of hand quickly.A spell which increased your PP score I might allow, but the only one I know of offhand is Fleet Feet,which doubles it.

Captain Shiva wrote:I would make a few house ruled exceptions to bonus stacking via spells.A good example would be the spell Superhuman Agility,which,among other things, grants auto-dodge with a +5 bonus.The only other bonus I would allow to be added to this one is the dodge bonus granted by a high PP score. Otherwise,that spell would get out of hand quickly.A spell which increased your PP score I might allow, but the only one I know of offhand is Fleet Feet,which doubles it.

Superhuman Agility? Where? I think you could invent this spell-TTUs

Grandil wrote:

Captain Shiva wrote:I would make a few house ruled exceptions to bonus stacking via spells.A good example would be the spell Superhuman Agility,which,among other things, grants auto-dodge with a +5 bonus.The only other bonus I would allow to be added to this one is the dodge bonus granted by a high PP score. Otherwise,that spell would get out of hand quickly.A spell which increased your PP score I might allow, but the only one I know of offhand is Fleet Feet,which doubles it.

Superhuman Agility? Where? I think you could invent this spell-TTUs

The spell is found,along with several other useful spells,in Mercenary Adventures.

Captain Shiva wrote:

Grandil wrote:

Captain Shiva wrote:I would make a few house ruled exceptions to bonus stacking via spells.A good example would be the spell Superhuman Agility,which,among other things, grants auto-dodge with a +5 bonus.The only other bonus I would allow to be added to this one is the dodge bonus granted by a high PP score. Otherwise,that spell would get out of hand quickly.A spell which increased your PP score I might allow, but the only one I know of offhand is Fleet Feet,which doubles it.

Superhuman Agility? Where? I think you could invent this spell-TTUs

The spell is found,along with several other useful spells,in Mercenary Adventures.

Kick da booty

Rogue_Scientist wrote:

Grandil wrote:

Captain Shiva wrote: The spell is found,along with several other useful spells,in Mercenary Adventures.

Kick da booty

..."and is probably a bit munchy."

No, Fleet Feet is the one you have to watch out for.

well what's the level and casting cost on it? B/c that might make it not munchy.

Crazy Lou wrote:well what's the level and casting cost on it? B/c that might make it not munchy.

Level 6, 20 ppe.

Captain Shiva wrote:

Crazy Lou wrote:well what's the level and casting cost on it? B/c that might make it not munchy.

Level 6, 20 ppe.

While fleet feet is worse... that's a pretty cheap spell with gigantic bonuses

Actually, the only top of the spectrum is at least a PP-48; 51 if you extrapolate for a practical
+8 Initiative; Speed being what it is. I wonder if most GM's would allow the Doubling of super-
Speeds. Talk it out!

Casting Fleet Feet on a Juicer would be bad enough, but casting it on someone with Sonic Speed? OY!!

Captain Shiva wrote:Casting Fleet Feet on a Juicer would be bad enough, but casting it on someone with Sonic Speed? OY!!

Fleet Feet does have it's penalties to it's effects.

oh, as i don't have merc adventures, i didn't know there were any penalties. that's a bit better then

and I'd probably allow someone w/ sonic speed use fleet feet but increase the penalties accordingly (now that I know there were initial ones)

Crazy Lou wrote:oh, as i don't have merc adventures, i didn't know there were any penalties. that's a bit better then

and I'd probably allow someone w/ sonic speed use fleet feet but increase the penalties accordingly (now that I know there were initial ones)

Fleet Feet is actually found in PFRPG, not Mercenary Adventures, and the benefits far outweigh the penalties.

Captain Shiva wrote:

Crazy Lou wrote:oh, as i don't have merc adventures, i didn't know there were any penalties. that's a bit better then

and I'd probably allow someone w/ sonic speed use fleet feet but increase the penalties accordingly (now that I know there were initial ones)

Fleet Feet is actually found in PFRPG, not Mercenary Adventures, and the benefits far outweigh the penalties.

-2 Initaitive, thats it

oh psh, that's a whimpy penalty for that spell...

gadrin wrote:

Crazy Lou wrote:oh psh, that's a whimpy penalty for that spell...

Yeah, it's more like -- let the opponent attack, dodge it easily then splatter him all over the place
with WP Paired Weapons: Vibro-sabre + Neural Mace

I have a Ley Line Rifter NPC with a PP of 24, which doubles to 48 under the spell and provides him
with +17 to Strike/Parry/Dodge.

Better hope he doesn't have time to toss Superhuman Strength too In which case he can opt to just use
his fists.

>

How do you get a +17 from a limit of +8 on a 30?? 51 gives you +8 to Strike, parry, dodge & initiative. Gadrin
I'm munchie-really munchie, but the spell does not provide a doubling of the S, P, D, & I-just doubles the Attributes, not the bonuses. Check it ok?

gadrin wrote:

Crazy Lou wrote:oh psh, that's a whimpy penalty for that spell...

Yeah, it's more like -- let the opponent attack, dodge it easily then splatter him all over the place
with WP Paired Weapons: Vibro-sabre + Neural Mace

I have a Ley Line Rifter NPC with a PP of 24, which doubles to 48 under the spell and provides him
with +17 to Strike/Parry/Dodge.

Better hope he doesn't have time to toss Superhuman Strength too In which case he can opt to just use
his fists.

>

If you also cast Superhuman agility,which gives auto-dodge,I am pretty sure you would have time.

Grandil wrote:

gadrin wrote:

Crazy Lou wrote:oh psh, that's a whimpy penalty for that spell...

Yeah, it's more like -- let the opponent attack, dodge it easily then splatter him all over the place
with WP Paired Weapons: Vibro-sabre + Neural Mace

I have a Ley Line Rifter NPC with a PP of 24, which doubles to 48 under the spell and provides him
with +17 to Strike/Parry/Dodge.

Better hope he doesn't have time to toss Superhuman Strength too In which case he can opt to just use
his fists.

>

How do you get a +17 from a limit of +8 on a 30?? 51 gives you +8 to Strike, parry, dodge & initiative. Gadrin
I'm munchie-really munchie, but the spell does not provide a doubling of the S, P, D, & I-just doubles the Attributes, not the bonuses. Check it ok?

Kinda what I was thinking, only with less "!!!" tone. But he is right. Look at the bonuses for attributes over 30 in RUE. Past 30, PP only grants a bonus to initiative.

Crazy Lou wrote:

Grandil wrote:

gadrin wrote:

Crazy Lou wrote:oh psh, that's a whimpy penalty for that spell...

Yeah, it's more like -- let the opponent attack, dodge it easily then splatter him all over the place
with WP Paired Weapons: Vibro-sabre + Neural Mace

I have a Ley Line Rifter NPC with a PP of 24, which doubles to 48 under the spell and provides him
with +17 to Strike/Parry/Dodge.

Better hope he doesn't have time to toss Superhuman Strength too In which case he can opt to just use
his fists.

>

How do you get a +17 from a limit of +8 on a 30?? 51 gives you +8 to Strike, parry, dodge & initiative. Gadrin
I'm munchie-really munchie, but the spell does not provide a doubling of the S, P, D, & I-just doubles the Attributes, not the bonuses. Check it ok?

Kinda what I was thinking, only with less "!!!" tone. But he is right. Look at the bonuses for attributes over 30 in RUE. Past 30, PP only grants a bonus to initiative.

True, Crazy Lou, True.