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gadrin wrote:I'm using the Iron Heart 30mm Ramjet Auto-Cannon from Rifts Mercenaries p112.

Using standard it does 3D6/2D6x10 for single/burst
Using Depleted Uranium does ~3D6+3/2D6x10+17 (25% more according to Triax book;same for Uranium)

What would 30mm silver do to supernatch creatures/demons, etc ?

A standard ramjet round multiplies the damage by (very) roughly 5x, taking a 6d6 SDC weapon to a 3d6x10 weapon.
Going by that, the standard damage for non-ram-jet rounds with that auto-cannon would be roughly 1/5 of the listed damage.
3d6MD/5 ~ 2d4x10+10 HP per shot vs. vampires.

The 2d6x10 MD damage for 20 rounds.
2d6x10 MD/3d6 MD ~ 6.666
(2d4x10+10)x6.666 ~ 13.333d4+66.666 ~ 1d6x100 HP damage to vampires for a burst of 20 rounds.
Range would be reduced by 1/2.


Ammunition cost would be about 3x normal, but I don't see normal listed.
A 9mm ramjet round costs 5-10 credits each, and silver rounds cost about 3 credits each, meaning that ramjet rounds cost roughly 2-3x more than silver rounds.
Since a 9mm Ramjet round costs 5-10 credits, and a 14.5mm ramjet round costs 10-15 credits each, I'd say that a 30mm ramjet would cost about 15-20 mm each.
Put that at the high-end of the scale (slightly over, really), because of the limited demand of such rounds, so let's out to about 21 credits per round for a 30mm ramjet round.
Which would make it about 7 credits for a single 30mm silver round, and 140 credits per burst of 20.

gadrin wrote:snip...

What would 30-mm silver do to supernatural creatures/demons, etc ?


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MDC answer

"Joe, were hunting demons not vampires." *in the background you see a demon with silver splats marks all over it, like paint-balls splats on a brick wall*

SDC answer

"Joe, were hunting demons not vampires, save the silver ammo"

gadrin wrote:I take it, the red highlight above, you mean credits not mm

I do not make mistakes.
If I said that the cost is in millimeters, then that's the cost.

1/2 range for silver ? Is that from the Vampire Kingdoms book ? If so, I'll have to break it out and look at tonight.

I believe it's in VK, and the RGMG.

I thought a RAMJET round was essentially a micro-missile, which means it's not a conventional projectile.

It is. They're typically designed to work in normal weapons, though, so I assume that the cannon in question is capable of firing non-ramjet rounds.
If it isn't, then it might not work as an anti-vampire weapon at all, because I don't believe that you can make silver ramjet rounds.

Unless you are hunting vamps or one of the 3-4 types of were-beings, or something else vunerable to silver, then they are not practical for hunting MDC beings.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

gadrin wrote:snip...

What would 30-mm silver do to supernatural creatures/demons, etc ?


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MDC answer

"Joe, were hunting demons not vampires." *in the background you see a demon with silver splats marks all over it, like paint-balls splats on a brick wall*

SDC answer

"Joe, were hunting demons not vampires, save the silver ammo"

Typically and historically, Substances or materials that a given Supernatural Creature is vulnerable to will pierce their hides and cause damage.

And Silver is pretty much The Universal Anti-Evil Weapon of choice.

cornholioprime wrote:Typically and historically, Substances or materials that a given Supernatural Creature is vulnerable to will pierce their hides and cause damage.

And Silver is pretty much The Universal Anti-Evil Weapon of choice.

So back up your words and point out where (book, page, paragraph) in any of the PB gamebooks that sliver is a universal vulnerability to the supernatural, so we can check out where you got it.

While prose can be convincing, you need to back them up with in game rules.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

cornholioprime wrote:Typically and historically, Substances or materials that a given Supernatural Creature is vulnerable to will pierce their hides and cause damage.

And Silver is pretty much The Universal Anti-Evil Weapon of choice.

So back up your words and point out where (book, page, paragraph) in any of the PB gamebooks that sliver is a universal vulnerability to the supernatural, so we can check out where you got it.

While prose can be convincing, you need to back them up with in game rules.

He didn't say it was a universal vulnerability; he say it "typically and historically" was.
But if you've missed the plethora of creatures in various Palladium books that are vulnerable to silver, I suggest you check out the random creature generation table in the original Rifts book, the Undead section of Dark Conversions, the monster generation system in Creatures of Chaos, and the books on Dyval and Hades.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

cornholioprime wrote:Typically and historically, Substances or materials that a given Supernatural Creature is vulnerable to will pierce their hides and cause damage.

And Silver is pretty much The Universal Anti-Evil Weapon of choice.

So back up your words and point out where (book, page, paragraph) in any of the PB gamebooks that sliver is a universal vulnerability to the supernatural, so we can check out where you got it.

While prose can be convincing, you need to back them up with in game rules.

Seriously...you DON'T know/remember how very many Supernatural Creatures are vulnerable to Silver?!?!?


Would've sworn on a stack of Bibles that that knowledge was about as well-known to Palladium's Players Universe as a Vampire's vulnerability to Sunlight!!

In fact, the only Supernatural Creature that I can think of off the top my head that ISN'T vulnerable to Silver is the Supreme Dyval, Sahtahlus (there may be others of course but I just don't remember them right now) -and even then that was because he apparently figured out an arcane way to remove that vulnerability (he is ONLY harmed by magic, and pure iron).

Oh, yeah, and as Killer has pointed out, I was CAREFUL in using the qualifying language that I did in that earlier Post.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:While prose can be convincing, you need to back them up with in game rules.

I'd always thought it was the other way around.

Killer Cyborg wrote:He didn't say it was a universal vulnerability; he say it "typically and historically" was.
But if you've missed the plethora of creatures in various Palladium books that are vulnerable to silver, I suggest you check out the random creature generation table in the original Rifts book, the Undead section of Dark Conversions, the monster generation system in Creatures of Chaos, and the books on Dyval and Hades.

So blame it on bad prose.
While there might be a lot of undead & sn creatures (in the pb gamebooks) vulnerable to silver,they are not the universal vulnerability that his prose would lead everyone to believe.
A better phrasing would be "historically speaking, silver would be the typical monster hunting......"

Game-wise, the venerability to silver is not typical. While it is more then rare, it is less then common.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Killer Cyborg wrote:He didn't say it was a universal vulnerability; he say it "typically and historically" was.
But if you've missed the plethora of creatures in various Palladium books that are vulnerable to silver, I suggest you check out the random creature generation table in the original Rifts book, the Undead section of Dark Conversions, the monster generation system in Creatures of Chaos, and the books on Dyval and Hades.

So blame it on bad prose.

His prose was fine; he said what he meant.
It's not his fault if people weren't paying attention to what he said.

[quote[While there might be a lot of undead & sn creatures (in the pb gamebooks) vulnerable to silver, they are not the universal vulnerability that his prose would lead everyone to believe. [/quote]

Only people who can't tell the difference between "universally" and "typically" and/or "historically."

A better phrasing would be "historically speaking, silver would be the typical monster hunting......"

No, because he's commenting on two different things:
Typically, silver would be a common monster-hunting weapon.
Historically, silver would be a common monster-hunting weapon.
What he did was to splice these two related but separate points into a single sentence.
While it may have thrown some people for a loop, it's grammatically correct.
While it may have thrown some people for a loop, it's factually correct.
(I separated those out to avoid similar confusion, but that's going above and beyond the normal call of duty for simple communication.)

Game-wise, the venerability to silver is not typical. While it is more then rare, it is less then common.

It's a vulnerability that 10% of random monsters have. I'm not going to argue about whether or not that qualifies as "common," but it's certainly common enough that it's worthwhile to have silver weapons on you.
And that's not even taking into account certain areas, like the Vampire Kingdoms, or any other place with an infestation of silver-vulnerable monsters, where such weapons would be more or less a necessity

Must of been posting while tired when I read that one.

cornholioprime wrote:A) Typically and historically, Substances or materials that a given Supernatural Creature is vulnerable to will pierce their hides and cause damage.

B)And Silver is pretty much The Universal Anti-Evil Weapon of choice.

Both statement A no objections, statement B, Omiting the "And" would make it a sentence intead of a fragment. (yep had to find 'something' wrong with it. )