Call Lightning, re-read

[Malakai]

It should be pointed out that in HU2ed, they still get to roll, needing a Natural 20 or 24+ with bonuses, but otherwise, yeah - in a Rifts environment, 2 actions casting for automatic damage.

[Incriptus]

yup, no dodge. ever try to dodge lightning?

indeed I have, and for the record I've never been hit . . . now don't try to cloudy up the issue by saying that nature was never aiming for me, I'm sure after half the jokes i've made i'm on the list of people to be struck down by a bolt of lightining

[Killer Cyborg]

Ok so I'm playing a Ley line walker in a rifts game currently. And I was going back through the books re-reading spells. And I happened upon Call Lightning, now I never really liked the spell do to it's flat range and fairly low damage until higher levels. But this time around I noticed it's saving throw discription, it reads as none. Not dodge at a penalty, not if you see it coming, but none. I'm certain this has been discussed ad nausem before, but have I finally had my eyes opened to the 'I hit you, I don't care what your bonuses are Mr. Juicer' spell?

Yup.
Automatic hit from the sky.

[Ice Dragon]

Ok so I'm playing a Ley line walker in a rifts game currently. And I was going back through the books re-reading spells. And I happened upon Call Lightning, now I never really liked the spell do to it's flat range and fairly low damage until higher levels. But this time around I noticed it's saving throw discription, it reads as none. Not dodge at a penalty, not if you see it coming, but none. I'm certain this has been discussed ad nausem before, but have I finally had my eyes opened to the 'I hit you, I don't care what your bonuses are Mr. Juicer' spell?

Instant hit .

[Library Ogre]

Ok so I'm playing a Ley line walker in a rifts game currently. And I was going back through the books re-reading spells. And I happened upon Call Lightning, now I never really liked the spell do to it's flat range and fairly low damage until higher levels. But this time around I noticed it's saving throw discription, it reads as none. Not dodge at a penalty, not if you see it coming, but none. I'm certain this has been discussed ad nausem before, but have I finally had my eyes opened to the 'I hit you, I don't care what your bonuses are Mr. Juicer' spell?

Yup.
Automatic hit from the sky.

Which, if it required it to be from the sky, would be a good argument. I prefer the versions in PFRPG, which give a dodge number (a high one, but a dodge number).

[Killer Cyborg]

Ok so I'm playing a Ley line walker in a rifts game currently. And I was going back through the books re-reading spells. And I happened upon Call Lightning, now I never really liked the spell do to it's flat range and fairly low damage until higher levels. But this time around I noticed it's saving throw discription, it reads as none. Not dodge at a penalty, not if you see it coming, but none. I'm certain this has been discussed ad nausem before, but have I finally had my eyes opened to the 'I hit you, I don't care what your bonuses are Mr. Juicer' spell?

Yup.
Automatic hit from the sky.

Which, if it required it to be from the sky, would be a good argument. I prefer the versions in PFRPG, which give a dodge number (a high one, but a dodge number).

I don't.

[Nekira Sudacne]

In Rifts, it is impossible to avoid. Very good aginst juicers. Does take 2 actions to cast though.

[AaronCE]

While on the Call Lightning angle.. I always wondered. Can you Call Lightning in an enclosed space? In a dungeon, cave, castle, building, underground? And yeah, I'm not talking something that the lightning could concievably penetrate. I've always wondered if you need "open sky" to Call Lightning.

[Killer Cyborg]

While on the Call Lightning angle.. I always wondered. Can you Call Lightning in an enclosed space? In a dungeon, cave, castle, building, underground? And yeah, I'm not talking something that the lightning could concievably penetrate. I've always wondered if you need "open sky" to Call Lightning.

IIRC, yes, you can.
Though I think that's kind of silly.

[Gryphon Chick]

While on the Call Lightning angle.. I always wondered. Can you Call Lightning in an enclosed space? In a dungeon, cave, castle, building, underground? And yeah, I'm not talking something that the lightning could concievably penetrate. I've always wondered if you need "open sky" to Call Lightning.

IIRC, yes, you can.
Though I think that's kind of silly.

Not really, if you think of lightning being generated from ion particles and static energy. It should be called Generate Lightning, not Call Lightning, in that case, though. In D&D, "Call Lightning" is a Priest/Cleric Spell and has to be done outdoors; not so with Palladium.

[drewkitty ~..~]

While on the Call Lightning angle.. I always wondered. Can you Call Lightning in an enclosed space? In a dungeon, cave, castle, building, underground? And yeah, I'm not talking something that the lightning could conceivably penetrate. I've always wondered if you need "open sky" to Call Lightning.

Yes, you can call lighting with in an enclosed volume. house, cave, boat, the only limiting thing I think is that there is a sky for the lighting to be called from.
-In PF, I believe there needs to be a window (of any kind) for CL to work.
-in the Rifts BoM, there is a perception roll then a vs 24 dodge roll, I think.
-there are no saves vs real physical effect spells like call lighting & fireball.

[Balabanto]

I love that it's smite from the heavens. This is even better if you have chain wrapped around a cloud. Once a round for a minute per level, smite-o-matic. This is particularly fun if you have a bunch of broadcast microphones and all the invisibility stuff up. "I am the Divine Power of (Blah). Behold my power!" SMITE! "He can't do that again!" SMITE!

[Nekira Sudacne]

Ok so I'm playing a Ley line walker in a rifts game currently. And I was going back through the books re-reading spells. And I happened upon Call Lightning, now I never really liked the spell do to it's flat range and fairly low damage until higher levels. But this time around I noticed it's saving throw discription, it reads as none. Not dodge at a penalty, not if you see it coming, but none. I'm certain this has been discussed ad nausem before, but have I finally had my eyes opened to the 'I hit you, I don't care what your bonuses are Mr. Juicer' spell?

Yup.
Automatic hit from the sky.

Actually lightning bolts start at the earth and move up towards the sky. Weird, I know.

This.

Natural lightning bolts do.

Magic ones come from the sky. it says so in the spell.

[J. Lionheart]

It has been stated officially somewhere around here that you don't have to be outdoors, or have access to outdoors, to use Call Lightning. The reply was something akin to "It's magic. It works."

Now it'll be hell to find that reference, but I'll look.

[Nekira Sudacne]

It has been stated officially somewhere around here that you don't have to be outdoors, or have access to outdoors, to use Call Lightning. The reply was something akin to "It's magic. It works."

Now it'll be hell to find that reference, but I'll look.

it says it can be cast indoors in the Palladium Fantasy book.