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Because they turn into CoM as they level up, they become a GL/DG equivalent.

However, because of how came to their power they can not become DG's unless they revoke their loyalties to The Three, and earn it from a new deity.

since they are a insane AI
at the most I'd say you'd have to get linked up with two other magnus to become one
and suffer the smae penalities as the 3
since they don't know they are an AI
I doubt they can give a major pact

Bludragun wrote:snip....

Personally i think it makes sense, but i think if the lord magus got too far into his class he would be restricted or even prohibited as he becomes a creature of magic and perhaps has gone beyond the ability to change into a different creature of magic.

Demi-gods and Godlings are supernatural beings, not Creatues of Magic.

Bludragun wrote:The munchkinism is too great for me to ever seriously consider playing it but the concept (as either an npc or a one shot or something) is too cool to ignore. Very specifically at the end of the demigod description it mentions basically anyone can become a demigod or even a godling later in life for being awesome (i imagine good gods would promote valiant heroes and evil gods would promote sick sob's.) So by that measure could a magus (from fed) be one so long as he wasn't born and bred as a godling/demigod?

Personally i think it makes sense, but i think if the lord magus got too far into his class he would be restricted or even prohibited as he becomes a creature of magic and perhaps has gone beyond the ability to change into a different creature of magic.

Drew has a point....and also...

I believe it would be perfectly possible considering that demons can become "Regents" by will of a Dyval Lord (per dimension book 11 Dyval). Those "Lords" are Gods...evil Gods that can grant this power as they see fit. Why not have a regular God be able to do much the same? So, in my opinion, be it lord magus, monster, or super-hero...they can be granted godling-like powers.

AFAIK only that one brotherhood Lod Magi become CoM.
I"d be more concerned with a high Magi who became a demigod and then as their "gift" got the LeyLIne walker and thsu access to lower magic.

A CoM can become a godling or even a god - look at the history of the 4 dragon gods.

So it could be possible that a Lord Magus could be elevated to demigod or godling status.

An interressting, but munchkin, approach would be to have a godling with all 3 magi powers .

The become demi god in name not in power think of it like a title or honor.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Bludragun wrote:snip....

Personally i think it makes sense, but i think if the lord magus got too far into his class he would be restricted or even prohibited as he becomes a creature of magic and perhaps has gone beyond the ability to change into a different creature of magic.

Demi-gods and Godlings are supernatural beings, not Creatues of Magic.

Demi-Gods, Godlings, and Gods are Creatures of Magic -they retain certain biological functions, and except for a tiny set of special cases (see Thraxus in Phase World), they are born and reproduce naturally (as opposed to Alien Intelligences or Demons/Deevils, for example).

Essentially, Palladium True Gods are pretty much super-powered Faerie Folk who can gain more power through the worship of believers.

cornholioprime wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Bludragun wrote:snip....

Personally i think it makes sense, but i think if the lord magus got too far into his class he would be restricted or even prohibited as he becomes a creature of magic and perhaps has gone beyond the ability to change into a different creature of magic.

Demi-gods and Godlings are supernatural beings, not Creatues of Magic.

Demi-Gods, Godlings, and Gods are Creatures of Magic

NOt that I think you give a dam about facts but NO they are supernatural beings not creatures of magic.
Neither "having biological functions" nor any strict criteria defines what they are.

The PB gods are SN beings, children of the SN are SN.

If you want to disagree with this, then read the text in D&G about the PB gods, and the texts in RCB2 about GL's and DG's. And see if they are called CoM or SN.

The real Question is can a godling/demigod gain other classes than the 3 he already gets-I say yes, IMHO
Remember There is no separation between God & man-Joseph Campbell. Being buddhist helps, being
Christian doesn't. "I and the Father are the same, 'only through me can you get to the Father.'"
Christ's Biggest Mistake. Most RPG's Limit you because they don't want Buddha, or Christ running around.
See New West. Palladium makes sure it doesn't offend anybody-& thats a good thing.
Grandil

Grandil wrote:The real Question is can a godling/demigod gain other classes than the 3 he already gets-I say yes, IMHO
Remember There is no separation between God & man-Joseph Campbell. Being buddhist helps, being
Christian doesn't. "I and the Father are the same, 'only through me can you get to the Father.'"
Christ's Biggest Mistake. Most RPG's Limit you because they don't want Buddha, or Christ running around.
See New West. Palladium makes sure it doesn't offend anybody-& thats a good thing.
Grandil

He doesn't get "three classes" he gets three "gifts" whic may act like classes[we can debate that, and how mcuh that act liek them all we like, but hey aren't his /her class], but he get to choose his own class seperate from any of the gifts.

Also, Christian "demigods" can simply be handwaved as nephilim. Godlings are simply Archangels off spring[ if you view them as at the top, or Seraph/Throne/Cherubs offspring[ if you view them as at the top....].

Sir_Spirit wrote:

Grandil wrote:The real Question is can a godling/demigod gain other classes than the 3 he already gets-I say yes, IMHO
Remember There is no separation between God & man-Joseph Campbell. Being buddhist helps, being
Christian doesn't. "I and the Father are the same, 'only through me can you get to the Father.'"
Christ's Biggest Mistake. Most RPG's Limit you because they don't want Buddha, or Christ running around.
See New West. Palladium makes sure it doesn't offend anybody-& thats a good thing.
Grandil

He doesn't get "three classes" he gets three "gifts" whic may act like classes[we can debate that, and how mcuh that act liek them all we like, but hey aren't his /her class], but he get to choose his own class seperate from any of the gifts.

Also, Christian "demigods" can simply be handwaved as nephilim. Godlings are simply Archangels off spring[ if you view them as at the top, or Seraph/Throne/Cherubs offspring[ if you view them as at the top....].

True but thats if you believe in the Mystical side to Christianity-Like the Gnostics.......They
really want to "Know" God! Also see the Sufis-Rumi being the best!

Grandil wrote:True but thats if you believe in the Mystical side to Christianity-Like the Gnostics.......They
really want to "Know" God! Also see the Sufis-Rumi being the best!

No, many Christians believe in angels.
CHistianity with out them is liek pop withotu the fizz.

Sir_Spirit wrote:

Grandil wrote:True but thats if you believe in the Mystical side to Christianity-Like the Gnostics.......They
really want to "Know" God! Also see the Sufis-Rumi being the best!

No, many Christians believe in angels.
Christianity with out them is like pop without the fizz.

So do most religions-that doesn't make them "special".

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:The PB gods are SN beings, children of the SN are SN.

If you want to disagree with this, then read the text in D&G about the PB gods, and the texts in RCB2 about GL's and DG's. And see if they are called CoM or SN.

I did.

First if all, "Pantheons of the Megaverse" is a Carella creation, and if you read the vast majority of his works, he calls EVERYTHING "supernatural." Okay, obviously that's an exaggeration, but he more than any other author has muddled the two terms IMO.

Second, I place Palladium's True Gods and Demigods in the category of Creatures of Magic because:

Unlike Palladium's True Supernatural Creatures, they share certain aspects of mortality with Creatures of Magic (and mortals). Most of them need to breathe air, for example (in other words, they still have biological internal organs unless stated otherwise, such as a Deity of the Sea that can breathe underwater), and as I stated before, they share the most 'crucial,' unique aspect of Creatures of Magic: they reproduce sexually; True Supernatural Creatures are either created or have always existed.

If a Palladium (true) God isn't a Creature of Magic, then neither are Palladium Dragons, Lord Magus, or Faerie Folk, just to name a few.

(NOTE: Palladium's "Godlings" are potentially a different matter altogether, and whether or not one is classified as a Creature Of Magic depends upon the particular Godling's origins; the term "Godling" appears to be used as much an indicator of Power Level as it is for deific lineage, and just about every Godling that I can remember right now isn't even allied to any particular pantheon.

By that measure, Phobos in "Pantheons of the Megaverse" might be a "True God Godling" and therefore a Creature of Magic, while Thraxus the Ascended Mortal Godling in Phase World is probably "just" a True Supernatural Creature.)

cornholioprime wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:The PB gods are SN beings, children of the SN are SN.

If you want to disagree with this, then read the text in D&G about the PB gods, and the texts in RCB2 about GL's and DG's. And see if they are called CoM or SN.

I did.

First if all, "Pantheons of the Megaverse" is a Carella creation, and if you read the vast majority of his works, he calls EVERYTHING "supernatural."

ANd yet, it's still canon*, regardless of how much you want to ignore it.

*I"mnotn being canon Nazi here, if corn wasn't tryignot actl;iek his arguemltnh was based inbooks/canon I wouldn't let it slide....

cornholioprime wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:The PB gods are SN beings, children of the SN are SN.

If you want to disagree with this, then read the text in D&G about the PB gods, and the texts in RCB2 about GL's and DG's. And see if they are called CoM or SN.

I did.

First if all, "Pantheons of the Megaverse" is a Carella creation, and if you read the vast majority of his works, he calls EVERYTHING "supernatural." Okay, obviously that's an exaggeration, but he more than any other author has muddled the two terms IMO.

Second, I place Palladium's True Gods and Demigods in the category of Creatures of Magic because:

Unlike Palladium's True Supernatural Creatures, they share certain aspects of mortality with Creatures of Magic (and mortals). Most of them need to breathe air, for example (in other words, they still have biological internal organs unless stated otherwise, such as a Deity of the Sea that can breathe underwater), and as I stated before, they share the most 'crucial,' unique aspect of Creatures of Magic: they reproduce sexually; True Supernatural Creatures are either created or have always existed.

If a Palladium (true) God isn't a Creature of Magic, then neither are Palladium Dragons, Lord Magus, or Faerie Folk, just to name a few.

(NOTE: Palladium's "Godlings" are potentially a different matter altogether, and whether or not one is classified as a Creature Of Magic depends upon the particular Godling's origins; the term "Godling" appears to be used as much an indicator of Power Level as it is for deific lineage, and just about every Godling that I can remember right now isn't even allied to any particular pantheon.

By that measure, Phobos in "Pantheons of the Megaverse" might be a "True God Godling" and therefore a Creature of Magic, while Thraxus the Ascended Mortal Godling in Phase World is probably "just" a True Supernatural Creature.)

While I do like you distictions, do you want to dance on a pin-Wink Wink nudge nudge!

Bludragun wrote:Very specifically at the end of the demigod description it mentions basically anyone can become a demigod or even a godling later in life for being awesome (i imagine good gods would promote valiant heroes and evil gods would promote sick sob's.)

It's not that anyone can become a true demigod or godling so much as anyone can come to be revered as such, through a life of legendary deeds and adventures, without actually having any of the powers and benefits of the respective RCCs. It is apparently possible (if exceedingly rare) for someone to become a true demigod or godling (as Thraxus did, in the Phase World setting), but the exact means for this to occur are left to the GM. If one is going to allow it, it's not really fair to the players to restrict the option to specific character classes (though it may be harder to explain).

In any event, the exclusion of supernatural creatures from being Magi is just an entry requirement enforced by the magical brotherhoods themselves (and they have made exceptions, like the demigod High Magus in Merctown). It doesn't prevent a Magus from being transformed into a supernatural being or creature of magic at some later date, though it could result in the character being kicked out of the brotherhood. It is even conceivable that a deified Magus could somehow become another Lord of Magic, with all the benefits, vulnerabilities, and possible ramifications to the other Lords that this entails.

There are multiple instances of all sorts of creatures either becoming, or getting elevated to, True Palladium God Status. It's just that we have never been given the particulars of how its done (which would be an understandably, closely-guarded secret).

• Thraxus (once a mortal, stole his godhood from an unknown source)
• Wolvenar (A brand new warrior god of the Wolfen people, unique amongst his kind)
• Horus the Sphinx (elevated to godhood by Isis and Osiris)
• Enlil (a mortal merged with the essence of an AI fragment and a wind elemental)
• Apepi (regular dragon, elevated to godhood)
• Kingu (A demon/A.I. hybrid)
• Quetzalcoatl (Kukulcan Dragoon, raised to godhood by an unknown force)
• Pachamama (originally a planetary-scale, Greatest Elemental Intelligence, 'converted over' into a True Palladium Goddess)
• Tolmet the Cruel (a mortal girl-child, merged with the patron Goddess of a dying city)

Sir_Spirit wrote:

Grandil wrote:The real Question is can a godling/demigod gain other classes than the 3 he already gets-I say yes, IMHO
Remember There is no separation between God & man-Joseph Campbell. Being buddhist helps, being
Christian doesn't. "I and the Father are the same, 'only through me can you get to the Father.'"
Christ's Biggest Mistake. Most RPG's Limit you because they don't want Buddha, or Christ running around.
See New West. Palladium makes sure it doesn't offend anybody-& thats a good thing.
Grandil

He doesn't get "three classes" he gets three "gifts" whic may act like classes[we can debate that, and how mcuh that act liek them all we like, but hey aren't his /her class], but he get to choose his own class seperate from any of the gifts.

Also, Christian "demigods" can simply be handwaved as nephilim. Godlings are simply Archangels off spring[ if you view them as at the top, or Seraph/Throne/Cherubs offspring[ if you view them as at the top....].

My prob w/this is that they aren't described as "gifts" They are described as "powers"........