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Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:59 pm
by Shark_Force
presumably a juiced horse would be as skittish and jumpy as... well... as a juiced horse. it's probably theoretically possible, but the horse likely won't take to the treatment nearly as well as a human, imo. mostly i'd expect that the horse would be very unfun to train to use it's new abilities though.
a dog could also probably work, and would probably work a lot better (than a horse) in fact.
in either case, however, i expect there would be a significant amount of research involved, or vastly shorter lifespans than you get out of a regular juicer, because the animal has different reactions to different chemicals so injecting a horse with the same cocktail of drugs could quite possibly kill the horse within a few months, or even a few days or hours (which would be much too short of a timeframe for the full benefits of the conversion to be given, imo)
Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:41 pm
by The Beast
No, Juicser Uprisings has the list of what species can get the conversion.
Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:46 am
by Rallan
Yes. Juicer Uprising doesn't address the idea of animal juicers because the writer never thought about it, not because it's impossible.
You couldn't just walk into a cyberdoc's clinic and turn your goat or your llama or whatever into a juicer (well you could, but he'd die very quickly because he's being flooded with insane amounts of drugs and hormones that are tailored to the human metabolism). But with trial and error and a lot of dead goats, researchers in Rifts could figure out how to do juicer augmentation for various animal species.
Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:19 am
by Incriptus
I don't like the answer "no" so lets see here
I know i'll use the analytical hardware as my base.
Modify a technology, . . I'll use the same modifiers for Build/duplication:
-30% for Earth Advanced Tech . . . but since we're modifying it to work on something other than its intended target I'll just bump it up one catagory so -50%
If Major System work is 24-48 hours *100 for super advanced tech. 2400-4800 hours to complete your system.
So in about a year and a half, assuming you work a standard work day, i'll let your character roll thier juicer tech roll to see if they've successfuly designed a jucier system that works on animals.
Of course i'm open to negotiations on the time and penalties [you may have several other scientists with you, or you already have the plans from los alamo that allows for successful dog boy conversions]
Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:29 pm
by sHaka
Rallan wrote:Yes. Juicer Uprising doesn't address the idea of animal juicers because the writer never thought about it, not because it's impossible.
Or he did consider it and realised it would super lame?

Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:47 pm
by Shark_Force
ICHIBAN11 wrote:Stormchild wrote:I assume that experimentation had been done on animals during the development of the technology. The only problem I see in letting animals be juiced is the lack of animal-centered chemicals (or research data) being available. Do the research, redevelop the chemicals, and Juice away... just be ready for an animal that is a little nervous

Agreed the research data would have to either redone or discovered hidden somewhere. With a few exceptions most animals has a shorter lifespan than humans, so this could mean that your Juicer animal might die within a year or two of being juiced. That might make the cost of having a juiced dog or horse not very cost effective.
i don't think in most cases it has to do with natural lifespan, it's simply a matter of wearing out the body faster than it can repair itself.
Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:59 pm
by Balabanto
I'm going to agree with the people who say no. This is just stupid. 3 month cat juicer. 5 month dog juicer. 3 year elephant juicer. Come on. In order for this to be fair and balanced, you would have to know the lifespan of every real world animal in existence. It's a GAME, people.
Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:18 am
by Rallan
Balabanto wrote:I'm going to agree with the people who say no. This is just stupid. 3 month cat juicer. 5 month dog juicer. 3 year elephant juicer. Come on. In order for this to be fair and balanced, you would have to know the lifespan of every real world animal in existence. It's a GAME, people.
Not to mention that an animal that's pumped up in full fight-or-flight mode 24/7 is gonna be damn near impossible to keep trained and disciplined. If someone ever developed a juicer process for dogs or horses or whatever, the market would be kinda limited to wealthy people who want very unusual pets, and folks running underground fights.
Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:38 am
by Pox
too late...it's already happened:
http://blogmuscle.files.wordpress.com/2 ... wendy1.pngI'm just kidding that's actually just a mutant abnormality for that breed of dog, the Whippet.
but in relation to the OP...no...it's heart would explode, it would have a stroke, or it would not be able to keep the nutritional levels necessary to support it's own body and die of starvation/dehydration.
Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:28 pm
by Mercdog
As a one shot mad scientist thing to unleash on the players?
Sure. But the mad scientist is also going to have to invest in some heavy duty shock collars to deal with increased aggression from the animals, as well as several "handlers" to keep the juiced up beasts under control.
Re: Can animals get the juicer option
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:26 am
by Hystrix
I admit the process of full jucier conversion on a dog or horse is kinda stupid, but what about just giving them enhancement drugs like those found in WBs 5 and 10?